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nichy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1812 Gender:	Re: Dead boat people Reply #225 - Dec 18^th, 2010 at 12:32pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 11:23am: well done nichy - suck on that one leftardians They won't be able to sprint, as the truth is too unpalatable for them and sticks in their collective throats.
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Reply #226 - Dec 18^th, 2010 at 12:41pm

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If the Coaltion and supporters were really concerned about the assylum seekers they would allow them to be process here safely.

You will NEVER stop the boats. As much as you never- even with laws - stop any determine behavior !

Christ Vegetable, you don’t half spout crap. Let’s get rid of all laws then eh? Sounds like a really intelligent outlook…….I'm surprised they allow you out alone......LOL

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Reply #227 - Dec 18^th, 2010 at 4:59pm

nichy wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 10:24am:

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Julia Gillard - the Lady Macbeth of Australian Politics

Kevin Rudd was considered the worst PM in Australia's history, well that was until Julia Gillard came along. With the tragic and
appalling death of up to 50 women, children, babies and men in the last 24 hours as a boatload of asylum seekers crashed on the
rocks at Christmas Island we need to understand where the responsibility lies,

When Howard was in office - as shadow minister Julia Gillard said quite clearly - "Another boat arrival, represents another policy failure" - Julia Gillard April 23rd 2003.

Laurie Oaks took her to task on this as recently as a year ago about her ongoing failure in boat people policy to provide an effective deterrent for people to take life threatening trips to Australia.
Yet in the Lowy Institute speech in July 2010 Julia Gillard said - "We will not let asylum seekers drown". Gillard also went on
to say;
"Today I am announcing steps to strengthen Australia's border protection arrangements. I am setting out the long-term approach we
will take to dealing with the pressure of unauthorised arrivals.
We are taking these steps in response to the increase in unauthorised people movements in our region and around the world."
"I am also making the Government's policy goal clear: it is to wreck the people smuggling trade by removing the incentive for
boats to leave their port of origin in the first place; to remove both the profitability of the trade and the danger of the voyage".

Yet since then boat arrivals have only increased. More and more people have put their lives at risk as Gillard has squandered billions
of dollars on them whilst ignoring the welfare of her own people. As an Indonesian minister said 'When Australia stops putting sugar
on the table, the boat people problem will stop'.Yet the sugar has become a mountain luring many to their deaths. Who wrote the
boat people policy? In relation to boat people policy Gillard said "I was the substantive author of a policy paperwhich became Labor's policy". Under Labor Policies in 2010 boat arrivals have doubled to an all time record! It seems the only
solution Gillard has is to spin a web of lies. So much for peoples lives lost in the process.
If there is one person who is responsible for this tragedy then by her own words it is Julia Gillard. Julia Gillard the Lady Macbeth
of Australian politics has blood on her hands - her failed policy, her failed actions, her statement that another boat arrival represents
another failure. It is time for Julia Gillard to go. Not only can we no longer afford her (BER disaster, insulation disaster, Braadband
disaster, grocery watch disaster, fuel watch disaster etc) but now her incompetence is costing many innocent peoples lives.

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"Julia Gillard - the Lady Macbeth of Australian Politics"

Pheeeew - strong words - but there are possibly several parallels .

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Re: Dead boat people
Reply #228 - Dec 18^th, 2010 at 5:36pm

nichy wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 10:24am:

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Kevin Rudd was considered the worst PM in Australia's history, well that was until Julia Gillard came along. With the tragic and
appalling death of up to 50 women, children, babies and men in the last 24 hours as a boatload of asylum seekers crashed on the
rocks at Christmas Island we need to understand where the responsibility lies,

When Howard was in office - as shadow minister Julia Gillard said quite clearly - "Another boat arrival, represents another policy failure" - Julia Gillard April 23rd 2003.

Laurie Oaks took her to task on this as recently as a year ago about her ongoing failure in boat people policy to provide an effective deterrent for people to take life threatening trips to Australia.
Yet in the Lowy Institute speech in July 2010 Julia Gillard said - "We will not let asylum seekers drown". Gillard also went on
to say;
"Today I am announcing steps to strengthen Australia's border protection arrangements. I am setting out the long-term approach we
will take to dealing with the pressure of unauthorised arrivals.
We are taking these steps in response to the increase in unauthorised people movements in our region and around the world."
"I am also making the Government's policy goal clear: it is to wreck the people smuggling trade by removing the incentive for
boats to leave their port of origin in the first place; to remove both the profitability of the trade and the danger of the voyage".

Yet since then boat arrivals have only increased. More and more people have put their lives at risk as Gillard has squandered billions
of dollars on them whilst ignoring the welfare of her own people. As an Indonesian minister said 'When Australia stops putting sugar
on the table, the boat people problem will stop'.Yet the sugar has become a mountain luring many to their deaths. Who wrote the
boat people policy? In relation to boat people policy Gillard said "I was the substantive author of a policy paperwhich became Labor's policy". Under Labor Policies in 2010 boat arrivals have doubled to an all time record! It seems the only
solution Gillard has is to spin a web of lies. So much for peoples lives lost in the process.
If there is one person who is responsible for this tragedy then by her own words it is Julia Gillard. Julia Gillard the Lady Macbeth
of Australian politics has blood on her hands - her failed policy, her failed actions, her statement that another boat arrival represents
another failure. It is time for Julia Gillard to go. Not only can we no longer afford her (BER disaster, insulation disaster, Braadband
disaster, grocery watch disaster, fuel watch disaster etc) but now her incompetence is costing many innocent peoples lives.

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No one should ever forget the Julia Gillard failures over the boat people.
Julia Gilliard's boat people policy is a complete tragedy and distasterous policy.
How many more are to die before Julia Gillard gets the message?

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Re: Dead boat people
Reply #229 - Dec 18^th, 2010 at 8:09pm

viewpoint wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 12:41pm:

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If the Coaltion and supporters were really concerned about the assylum seekers they would allow them to be process here safely.

You will NEVER stop the boats. As much as you never- even with laws - stop any determine behavior !

Christ Vegetable, you don’t half spout crap. Let’s get rid of all laws then eh? Sounds like a really intelligent outlook…….I'm surprised they allow you out alone......LOL

They don`t, Vege makes Silly Milly look like a genius.

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Reply #230 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 8:07am

you never stop the boat ??

they do .. and they can if they want . even that Sarah hanson young and those lawyers are in their ways ..

remember in the early 90, when the west open doors again to Vietnam and Vietnamese refugees were no longer be accepted .. then no more Vietnamese people risking their life on leaky boats , and their journeys were hard without mobile phone in which they can dial 000 or looking for direction on the GPS .. and they just couldn't afford any tickets to Indonesia as the commies wouldn't allow them to do so .. and million of them died at sea

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Reply #231 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 8:30am

bridonta wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 8:07am:

you never stop the boat ??

they do .. and they can if they want . even that Sarah hanson young and those lawyers are in their ways ..

remember in the early 90, when the west open doors again to Vietnam and Vietnamese refugees were no longer be accepted .. then no more Vietnamese people risking their life on leaky boats , and their journeys were hard without mobile phone in which they can dial 000 or looking for direction on the GPS .. and they just couldn't afford any tickets to Indonesia as the commies wouldn't allow them to do so .. and million of them died at sea

not quite with that.. but I was of the understanding the the Indonesian were policing the boats before they reached Indonesia mainland..what happened to that? I thought thats what we were paying them to do!

as for jooooooolia saying one thing and doing the other.. or nothing as the day may take her..are any of us from the right surprised at that??..

veg seem ok with it, lets throw out all the laws that dont seem to make any difference..why bother putting drug lords in jail when two seem to take their place..mmmmmmm makes sense.

in fact the way this boat industry seem to be going...

I am of the belief we have an asylum seekers/refugees.boat cartel doing a very nice business out of our changed policies..

I find it very coincidental that most on this boat tragedy, already have family here either in detention or out of it..

another thing we should get rid of is parking meters..and boomgates at parking stations.also toll roads. all very unfair in my book.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41202 Gender:	Re: Dead boat people Reply #232 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 8:54am after years of record numbers of illegal boat people totally encouragede by the inept alp an event has happened that judas spin is stuck on. the best she can moronically robotically say is "We may never know how many are lost" you biased leftards have voted this in.
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Reply #233 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 9:04am

Protests by male detainees blaming the Australian Navy for not looking after them appropriately.

In other words, these cowardly men who placed women and children in danger by illegally processing themselves through people smuggling before they physically forced the life-jackets away from the women and children are now blaming 'Us' for not allowing them to escape a country that we are trying to help bring under suitable existence while there, which must be better than what it previously was. I think these men are 'nasty and evil scum' who are exploiting the 'poverty threshold' and using emotional blackmail (a form of abuse). I don't want these men in this country, we already have enough scum. These men are not 'real' refugees. Its just another part of the People Smuggling 'Scam'.

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Reply #234 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:25am

In an interview after his election win in the 2001 'Tampa Election', it was suggested that Prime Minister John Howard had become the 'walking embodiment of Pauline Hanson's policies.' Howard's reply was, "Can I just say that I've always sought to maximize the primary vote of the Liberal Party, that's the first obligation of any political leader."

During their term in office, Howard and other members of the coalition Government have clearly adhered to this view as a priority, regardless of consequences. As journalist Michelle Grattan noted, "When it comes to political tactics, John Howard is a tough player. His philosophy is that you use whatever means are at your disposal, without worrying too much about the niceties."

During the Tampa debate in Parliament, Beazley made the claim that: "There is one side in this chamber that struggles for bipartisanship; there is another side that struggles for advantage." Bipartisanship had, in the past, been a useful consensus approach to an issue that was, as the Fitzgerald report in 1988 noted, "potentially highly political" and "potentially highly volatile."

The pressing needs of many significantly oppressed groups, along with those who supported them, became fodder for a so-called culture war within Australian society. Since their election in 1996 the coalition had been, as Robert Manne puts it, 'steadily unraveling the cultural club the Keating Government had spun…[they] had largely disengaged from Asia, buried the multicultural debate, killed off prospects for a republic and allowed the hopes for Aboriginal reconciliation to fade'.

Full article here

http://www.une.edu.au/asiacentre/PDF/No15.pdf

A cable obtained by WikiLeaks and provided exclusively to the Herald says an unnamed "key Liberal Party strategist'' told US diplomats in November last year that the issue of asylum seekers was ''fantastic'' for the Coalition and ''the more boats that come the better''.

There is no denying the Coalitions intent......the asylum seekers are a political issue that can be used to wedge Labor and the Greens for domestic political advantage.

This of course means that if the Coalition win the next election they will move asylum seekers to Nauru and take away any prospect of a better life and freedom even if they are found to be genuine refugees.....why would anyone come to Australia under those circumstances.....for some reason Australians now have no problem treating genuine refugees with contempt and outward hostility.....I see no benefit for Australia in the long term by treating people in this way.....Australia will look back on this period and it's actions with shame and denial.....Australians do not like to accept they are really not very tolerant or accepting at all.....Robin Williams was correct.....we are a nation of "Red Necks"!!!

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Reply #235 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:33am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:25am:

In an interview after his election win in the 2001 'Tampa Election', it was suggested that Prime Minister John Howard had become the 'walking embodiment of Pauline Hanson's policies.' Howard's reply was, "Can I just say that I've always sought to maximize the primary vote of the Liberal Party, that's the first obligation of any political leader."

During their term in office, Howard and other members of the coalition Government have clearly adhered to this view as a priority, regardless of consequences. As journalist Michelle Grattan noted, "When it comes to political tactics, John Howard is a tough player. His philosophy is that you use whatever means are at your disposal, without worrying too much about the niceties."

During the Tampa debate in Parliament, Beazley made the claim that: "There is one side in this chamber that struggles for bipartisanship; there is another side that struggles for advantage." Bipartisanship had, in the past, been a useful consensus approach to an issue that was, as the Fitzgerald report in 1988 noted, "potentially highly political" and "potentially highly volatile."

The pressing needs of many significantly oppressed groups, along with those who supported them, became fodder for a so-called culture war within Australian society. Since their election in 1996 the coalition had been, as Robert Manne puts it, 'steadily unraveling the cultural club the Keating Government had spun…[they] had largely disengaged from Asia, buried the multicultural debate, killed off prospects for a republic and allowed the hopes for Aboriginal reconciliation to fade'.

Full article here

http://www.une.edu.au/asiacentre/PDF/No15.pdf

A cable obtained by WikiLeaks and provided exclusively to the Herald says an unnamed "key Liberal Party strategist'' told US diplomats in November last year that the issue of asylum seekers was ''fantastic'' for the Coalition and ''the more boats that come the better''.

There is no denying the Coalitions intent......the asylum seekers are a political issue that can be used to wedge Labor and the Greens for domestic political advantage.

This of course means that if the Coalition win the next election they will move asylum seekers to Nauru and take away any prospect of a better life and freedom even if they are found to be genuine refugees.....why would anyone come to Australia under those circumstances.....for some reason Australians now have no problem treating genuine refugees with contempt and outward hostility.....I see no benefit for Australia in the long term by treating people in this way.....Australia will look back on this period and it's actions with shame and denial.....Australians do not like to accept they are really not very tolerant or accepting at all.....Robin Williams was correct.....we are a nation of "Red Necks"!!!

Ahhhhhh, so it`s all the coalition`s fault?
I suppose you got the house and the cars when you divorced reality.

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Re: Dead boat people
Reply #236 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:34am

codswal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 8:30am:

bridonta wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 8:07am:

you never stop the boat ??

they do .. and they can if they want . even that Sarah hanson young and those lawyers are in their ways ..

remember in the early 90, when the west open doors again to Vietnam and Vietnamese refugees were no longer be accepted .. then no more Vietnamese people risking their life on leaky boats , and their journeys were hard without mobile phone in which they can dial 000 or looking for direction on the GPS .. and they just couldn't afford any tickets to Indonesia as the commies wouldn't allow them to do so .. and million of them died at sea

not quite with that.. but I was of the understanding the the Indonesian were policing the boats before they reached Indonesia mainland..what happened to that? I thought thats what we were paying them to do!

as for jooooooolia saying one thing and doing the other.. or nothing as the day may take her..are any of us from the right surprised at that??..

veg seem ok with it, lets throw out all the laws that dont seem to make any difference..why bother putting drug lords in jail when two seem to take their place..mmmmmmm makes sense.

in fact the way this boat industry seem to be going...

I am of the belief we have an asylum seekers/refugees.boat cartel doing a very nice business out of our changed policies..

I find it very coincidental that most on this boat tragedy, already have family here either in detention or out of it..

another thing we should get rid of is parking meters..and boomgates at parking stations.also toll roads. all very unfair in my book.

So you are comparing the tragic circumstances and fight for freedom by desperate human beings with the other annoying things you do not like and want to get rid of.....like.....parking meters.....boom gates at parking stations and toll roads......tell me that is not what you meant Cods???

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Reply #237 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:34am

Phil, it sounds as though you are implying that the Coalition is encouraging people to board unsafe boats, having paid many thousand of dollars to do so, with no certainty of a safe arrival.

And as for this quote from Howard - "Can I just say that I've always sought to maximize the primary vote of the Liberal Party, that's the first obligation of any political leader", the same could be said for Gillard except that she has also sold out to the Greens in order to maximise HER position.

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Reply #238 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:40am

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 9:04am:

Protests by male detainees blaming the Australian Navy for not looking after them appropriately.

In other words, these cowardly men who placed women and children in danger by illegally processing themselves through people smuggling before they physically forced the life-jackets away from the women and children are now blaming 'Us' for not allowing them to escape a country that we are trying to help bring under suitable existence while there, which must be better than what it previously was. I think these men are 'nasty and evil scum' who are exploiting the 'poverty threshold' and using emotional blackmail (a form of abuse). I don't want these men in this country, we already have enough scum. These men are not 'real' refugees. Its just another part of the People Smuggling 'Scam'.

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Reply #239 - Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:53am

nichy wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:34am:

Phil, it sounds as though you are implying that the Coalition is encouraging people to board unsafe boats, having paid many thousand of dollars to do so, with no certainty of a safe arrival.
And as for this quote from Howard - "Can I just say that I've always sought to maximize the primary vote of the Liberal Party, that's the first obligation of any political leader", the same could be said for Gillard except that she has also sold out to the Greens in order to maximise HER position.

Not at all Nichy......I have no doubt Abbott will stop the boats at any cost to the asylum seekers.....regardless of there refugee status......The Labor party are no better than the Coalition as far as policy is concerned.....Labor have failed on both border security and there international commitment.....Labor said they would stop the boats.....they cannot stop the boats.....if treating refugees like criminals and persecuting them further is the solution of the major parties.....they do not have a solution they have is a return to the failed policies of the past.....where a person could be deported for something as trivial as stealing a loaf of bread or have the misfortune of being born poor and desperate.

The Greens are the only party with a sensible non inflammatory approach to this issue.....everyone deserves the right to be free and pursue a better life.....refugees have only accepted the fact Australia is a signatory to the International Convention for Refugees.....it is time Australia and it's major parties also accepted this fact and stopped treating refugees like convicts!!!

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