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Reply #180 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 1:03pm
 
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Would Bob Brown and Julia Gillard like to apologize to the families of the deceased and to the Australian people for the unnecessary deaths their border security policies directly resulted in? Angry


Asylum seekers take desperate measures.
Soften laws is not what is attracting  them to handle such a trip.



Pity the statistics say otherwise eh.


yes.
It seems Miss Anne Dryst graph that she provided matches the  points I provided.
The Howard government stopped the boats:

What stopped the boats you ask? Let me remind you.


2001:   In 2001 there were 51 boats and 5,516 irregular arrivals

Late that year, the US sent ships into the middle east. In fact they invaded Afghanistan. The ships acted as eyes and ears in the area. When the troops moved in they seized the borders and effectively reduced the number of people the people smugglers could smuggle in. This had very little to do with temporary visas.

2002:    The Bali Bombings

The bombings, horrific though they were, attracted to Indonesia the scrutiny of the USA’s CIA and FBI as well as our own AFP. This basically made it very hard for people smugglers to ply their trade from Indonesia. Towards the middle of 2004 the scrutiny had eased off and the boats began again. Until…

2004:     The Boxing day Tsunami

This natural disaster again curtailed the people smuggling trade. The US sent a air craft carrier into the region with radar capabilities that made it hard for the boat smugglers to launch. Added to that was the fear of the people being smuggled to go to sea.

2005-2006:    Return of the eye in the sky.

Satellite technology that had been predominantly swallowed by the Iraq War was used to spot ships. There was even cases of Indonesia themselves turning back some of the boats. So what did the people smugglers do? Launch smaller craft. And this put the lives of the people arriving here at greater risk. It was enough for John Howard to curtail his temporary visa policy as DESPITE IT, the boats kept coming and people were willing to risk it all to get their family to safer shores.

From 2007:      War returns to Afghanistan and  conflict in Sri Lanka heats up

This gave the smugglers back their product.

Till 2010 where

116 boats have bought in 5,516 people to our shores


So tell me again how liberal party policy helped stop the boats?




That`s really wet vegi.
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Reply #181 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 1:04pm
 
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At the time of writing, the terrible human toll of the Christmas Island boat disaster is still being tallied. We know that at least 28 people have lost their lives in shocking circumstances, dashed against the rocky cliffs or drowned in the swirling maelstrom.

Refraining, even for a day or two, from politicising these deaths is probably too much to ask in present-day Australia. Ever since the Howard Government's 2001 electoral lightning rod – refusing to allow the Tampa to dock at this very same island – boat people have never been far from the front pages. Howard's implementation of the so-called 'Pacific Solution' for the offshore processing of asylum seekers, coupled with an unapologetically hardline approach to their assessment and detention, coloured political debate in this country until the end of his Government in 2007. These policies, though often criticised as draconian, arguably contributed to a significant decline in boat arrivals.

The Rudd Government came to power on the promise of relaxing many of the harshest policies of their pedecessors. Most notably, the controversial Temporary Protection Visas were discontinued. Since that time, the rate of boat arrivals has climbed again. Yesterday's ill-fated attempt marked the 129th vessel (that we know of) to attempt Australian territory since the policy shift.

The Federal Opposition and other critics of the Rudd/Gillard government have long argued, plausibly, that the softening of asylum seeker policies has painted Australia as an 'easy target', and directly contributed to the increase in arrivals. The Government has consistently denied such a connection, instead blaming external 'push' factors such as the conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan and Sri Lanka.

For what it's worth, I believe the truth lies somewhere in between. But in the aftershock of the Christmas Island tragedy, many critics of the current regime – from mainstream columnists to frothing at the mouth members of the public – have made a disgustingly disingenuous claim to compassion in their condemnation of the government. Despite scant mention of the victims themselves, their comments and letters declare that Gillard has 'blood on her hands', that such a travesty was inevitable under her policies, that the boats must be stopped to save lives.

On a very basic level, they have a point. We should do everything in our power to disrupt the people-smuggling trade and prevent people risking their lives in this way. But what I cannot stomach is the hijacking of humanitarianism to the anti-refugee agenda.

Where was this compassion when 353 lives were lost aboard the SIEV X, in October 2001? This terrible maritime incident happened on Howard's watch. Despite the boat sinking in an Australian border protection surveillance area (again, around Christmas Island), the Government not only denied any responsibility for the tragedy, but refused to conduct any investigation into the circumstances, even going so far as to try and block a memorial to the incident to the victims being built in Canberra. I don't remember any of the present-day compassionistas speaking up against policy then.

Where were these defenders of the people when asylum seekers were being deliberately dehumanised during the 'children overboard' affair? Where were those now shedding crocodile tears for the victims while innocent children languished for years in our desert prisons?

One need not read very far down the letters to the editor to find the more traditional forms of bigotry towards asylum seekers. Clumsy charges of being 'queue jumpers' and 'economic migrants'. Paranoid, misinformed rants about refugees receiving luxurious benefits while our pensioners are left to rot. While offensive, at least these attitudes are essentially honest. They reflect a deep seated, infantile fear of someone else getting a piece of our pie. It's not fair!

Gillard and Labor are by no means blameless in this affair. Their policies have been confused, and confusing. While in reality the Rudd/Gillard border policy regime is far from the 'soft touch' their adversaries claim, without a clear message to the contrary it is unsurprising that people-smugglers are too often able to sell the idea that Australia is a destination worth the risk. In any event, this tragedy has happened on Labor's watch, and they will suffer the fallout.
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Reply #182 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 3:34pm
 
precisley.. why Howard implemented the Pacific solution which you decry over and over again....it worked.. stupid it worked.

it wasnt broke untill rudd/gillard broke it..now you are complaining.well guess what you will have to live with it.just like gillard will.
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Reply #183 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 3:42pm
 
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Howard implemented the Pacific solution which you decry over and over again


Howard implemented the pacific non solution because he was a media driven little turd.
If Howard cared about the number of refos this country was getting he'd have clamped down on  the plane refos which are over 98% of asylum seekers to our shores.But its easier to appease the retards who see a couple of people on a leaky boat as some sort of threat.
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Reply #184 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 4:07pm
 

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precisley.. why Howard implemented the Pacific solution which you decry over and over again....it worked.. stupid it worked.

it wasnt broke untill rudd/gillard broke it..now you are complaining.well guess what you will have to live with it.just like gillard will.


leftards are not interested in facts or reality
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Reply #185 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 4:10pm
 
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On the contrary, thats all I'm interested in, pity you only post bullsh it.
Kiwi plane refo go home.
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Reply #186 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 4:31pm
 
codswal wrote on Dec 17th, 2010 at 3:34pm:
precisley.. why Howard implemented the Pacific solution which you decry over and over again....it worked.. stupid it worked.

it wasnt broke untill rudd/gillard broke it..now you are complaining.well guess what you will have to live with it.just like gillard will.


Yes it did work, but ALP's faceless men wont foster a similar approach due to the contemptuous views they openly held towards Howards pre-2007 solution...which they conveniently, "sympathetically" over-turned by lacing with their own campaign with 'said' good-will alluding to their being the 'said' more lenient and asylum-friendly of the two leading partys. Pfft

When in fact, Labor only served to lead them to their watery graves, not to mention the in-custody deaths they have accumulated along the way in their 3 short years in power to date.



Fact: There are no constitutional barriers to stop Nauru reopening an Australian detention centre ...and had a pacific solution been in place and in full swing when this tragedy occurred, then it could have been prevented.

Cast your minds back to this article...

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When Labor formed government in 2007, the new Immigration Minister, Chris Evans, condemned the Nauru facility and said refugees had been left to "rot" there.

In a 2002 parliamentary report, the cost of establishing the facilities on Manus Island, off the northeast coast of Papua New Guinea, and Nauru was estimated to be about $80 million.

The bulk of that money is believed to have gone to Nauru, which was the most used of the two centres. According to Immigration officials, Australia spent about $24m a year on the centre.

News of the latest boat came as Tony Abbott challenged Ms Gillard to "pick up the phone" and contact the Nauru government, rather than continuing to pursue the East Timor option, which he said had been sunk by the parliamentary resolution.


http://www.news.com.au/features/federal-election/nauru-solution-opens-up-to-pm-j...


Though instead, Gillard chose to ignore the Nauru solution, along with it's keen presidents optimism, who insists it's infrastructure is still in place and would be a welcome proposal by his government.

A Labor government doesn't offer solutions,  it's creates problems, as it procrastinated what could have ultimately saved many lives had they swallowed their pride much sooner and admitted John Howard had the right idea when it came to managing what a Labor government have failed to address, much less deliver in the three short years they have been drunk with power.

Yes, Labor have blood on their hands, so how do you tell grieving refugees their parents, siblings, children, spouses  are now dead because a nations government just couldn't get their act together nor  swallow their pride in order to have thwarted such a senseless needless tragedy, one which could have been avoided?

Why don't we ask the survivors, and relatives of the deceased if they too believe Nauru is a fate worse than death, when 70% of those processed there under Howard 3 years ago were granted Australian residency within 18 months.

Too little too late I'm afraid Miss Gillard.

Your services are no longer desired by your nations people, or even other peoples by the looks of it.

Ultimately, our Labor government had options, though out of stubbornness, political advantage and pride.. chose to ignore them until tragedy struck.






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Reply #187 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 4:38pm
 
skippy. wrote on Dec 17th, 2010 at 3:42pm:
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Howard implemented the Pacific solution which you decry over and over again


Howard implemented the pacific non solution because he was a media driven little turd.
If Howard cared about the number of refos this country was getting he'd have clamped down on  the plane refos which are over 98% of asylum seekers to our shores.But its easier to appease the retards who see a couple of people on a leaky boat as some sort of threat.



But the plane refugees at least arrived here safely in one piece, this and didn't have to resort to people smuggling and child prostitution rackets in order to get here on board a leaky boat.

Can your refugees now washed up on the rocks say the same about a Labor government and it's shipwreck policies?

I don't think so.

Cool Time Labor called it a day I think.

Look on the bright side...no wait, there isn't one.

My mistake.

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Reply #188 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 4:40pm
 
she is still saying nothing this is what erks me...jargon thats all she spiels.

she now got no choice but to back away from her choice words about Julian Assange.. he didnt do anything illegal by Australian Law..lol..

what a prize twit she is.something strange is happening maybe its my TV set.. but she seems to be shrinking, could be wishful thinking of course.
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Reply #189 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 4:44pm
 
Gillard and labour can only be clinging to power out of spite to stuff this country further as with Kenneally in NSW.  She  and the Greens have  blood on their hands for failing to stop the boats and to stop accepting illegals.  Millions of dollars are now being wasted on a rescue effort that we cannot afford for people that are already dead.
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Reply #190 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 4:53pm
 
Still, arriving by leaky boat is probably safer than arriving via our off-shore poorly maintained national airline right now.

This is moving foooeerwaaard is it?

In three years, just how far have we come Australia?

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Reply #191 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 4:56pm
 
Prevailing wrote on Dec 17th, 2010 at 4:44pm:
Gillard and labour can only be clinging to power out of spite to stuff this country further as with Kenneally in NSW.  She  and the Greens have  blood on their hands for failing to stop the boats and to stop accepting illegals.  Millions of dollars are now being wasted on a rescue effort that we cannot afford for people that are already dead.


Without a doubt...hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

No, they will just continue reeking havoc until the bitter end, this is the Labor way.

They know they have blown it, so rather than fix it, they will spend the rest of their time in office making life miserable for all Australians...getting in for their chop while they still can.

Gillard will retire on her PM pension, why should she care?

We are virtually being held at ransom by this wayward government, and don't expect Bill Shorten's mother-in-law GG Bryce to intervene any time soon, as it's clear where her loyalty lies and it's not with our nations people or the Queen she took an oath to serve.
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Reply #192 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 5:02pm
 
mellie wrote on Dec 17th, 2010 at 4:53pm:
Still, arriving by leaky boat is probably safer than arriving via our off-shore poorly maintained national airline right now.

This is moving foooeerwaaard is it?

In three years, just how far have we come Australia?

Cool





I think its time we called another election so at least we get a fair chance at getting it right....

I cant believe anyone wants a Lab/Green govt do you?????..

shes handcuffed herself to that twit browen.. and look what we have got .. an impotent govt..and wait till July when the greenman really feels his power...
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Reply #193 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 5:08pm
 
If an election were held now, she would undoubtedly lose, Labor know this thus will hold on until the bitter end, irrespective of their apparent failings and Australians having lost all respect for their government.

If they had any respect at all, they would all resign from cabinet.


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Reply #194 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 6:08pm
 
mellie wrote on Dec 17th, 2010 at 5:08pm:
If an election were held now, she would undoubtedly lose, Labor know this thus will hold on until the bitter end, irrespective of their apparent failings and Australians having lost all respect for their government.

If they had any respect at all, they would all resign from cabinet.


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In the meantime Julia Gillard is risking the lives of people who are being lured to Australia by her honeypot policy.


How many more deaths will it take before Julia Gillard admits she is a failure?
And what will be the reaction if/when another boat load or any deaths occur and Julia Gillard still hasn't disencouraged the boat people and people smugglers?
When will be able to talk about the deaths directly caused by Julia Gillard's soft policies? Before the next boatload of dead boatpeople or after?
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