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Re: Dead boat people
Reply #165 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:29pm

Equitist wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:24pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:15pm:

Equitist wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:11pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:02pm:

"A cable obtained by WikiLeaks and provided to Fairfax says an unnamed "key Liberal Party strategist" told US diplomats in November last year that the issue of asylum seekers was "fantastic" for the coalition and "the more boats that come the better"."

Even if this is true, it would only reinforce the ALP`s guilt in the upsurgance of people smuggling, and the resultant deaths at sea.

Of course it is true - one only needs to look at the Liberal Party's election platform in 2010 for the divisive spin "STOP THE BOATS"!

Ditto re all previous Federal elections in living memory...

Ditto re the ever-present anti asylum seeker rants by right whingers on these and other Aussie forums...

What I don't get, is why the source is purportedly 'unnamed' in this instance - do the Wikileaks documents not contain the name of the braggart or are the right-wing media protecting their Lib mates when they've shown a propensity to release names with controversial Wikileaks quotes by Lab pollies...

You obviously have no interest in stopping the boats AND further deaths at sea.

You, cynical and opportunistic sir, obviously have no interest in the lives and livelihoods of those vulnerable people who are desperate enough to risk coming here by sea...

Who`s weak policies encouraged them to take the trip?
How many genuine refugees can fit into Australia?
Why don`t you think just a little bit?

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Re: Dead boat people
Reply #166 - Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:35pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:29pm:

Equitist wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:24pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:15pm:

Equitist wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:11pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:02pm:

"A cable obtained by WikiLeaks and provided to Fairfax says an unnamed "key Liberal Party strategist" told US diplomats in November last year that the issue of asylum seekers was "fantastic" for the coalition and "the more boats that come the better"."

Even if this is true, it would only reinforce the ALP`s guilt in the upsurgance of people smuggling, and the resultant deaths at sea.

Of course it is true - one only needs to look at the Liberal Party's election platform in 2010 for the divisive spin "STOP THE BOATS"!

Ditto re all previous Federal elections in living memory...

Ditto re the ever-present anti asylum seeker rants by right whingers on these and other Aussie forums...

What I don't get, is why the source is purportedly 'unnamed' in this instance - do the Wikileaks documents not contain the name of the braggart or are the right-wing media protecting their Lib mates when they've shown a propensity to release names with controversial Wikileaks quotes by Lab pollies...

You obviously have no interest in stopping the boats AND further deaths at sea.

You, cynical and opportunistic sir, obviously have no interest in the lives and livelihoods of those vulnerable people who are desperate enough to risk coming here by sea...

Who`s weak policies encouraged them to take the trip?
How many genuine refugees can fit into Australia?
Why don`t you think just a little bit?

Here's something for you to think about: -

WHERE THE BLOODY HELL ARE YOU?

No Boats.

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Reply #167 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 6:44am

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:29pm:

Equitist wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:24pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:15pm:

Equitist wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:11pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:02pm:

"A cable obtained by WikiLeaks and provided to Fairfax says an unnamed "key Liberal Party strategist" told US diplomats in November last year that the issue of asylum seekers was "fantastic" for the coalition and "the more boats that come the better"."

Even if this is true, it would only reinforce the ALP`s guilt in the upsurgance of people smuggling, and the resultant deaths at sea.

Of course it is true - one only needs to look at the Liberal Party's election platform in 2010 for the divisive spin "STOP THE BOATS"!

Ditto re all previous Federal elections in living memory...

Ditto re the ever-present anti asylum seeker rants by right whingers on these and other Aussie forums...

What I don't get, is why the source is purportedly 'unnamed' in this instance - do the Wikileaks documents not contain the name of the braggart or are the right-wing media protecting their Lib mates when they've shown a propensity to release names with controversial Wikileaks quotes by Lab pollies...

You obviously have no interest in stopping the boats AND further deaths at sea.

You, cynical and opportunistic sir, obviously have no interest in the lives and livelihoods of those vulnerable people who are desperate enough to risk coming here by sea...

Who`s weak policies encouraged them to take the trip?
How many genuine refugees can fit into Australia?
Why don`t you think just a little bit?

a) Julia Gillard's & Kevin Rudd's
b) If they were genuine then that'd be ok, they can be accommodated.
c)....

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Re: Dead boat people
Reply #168 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 6:54am

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Prevailing wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 6:09pm:

Would Bob Brown and Julia Gillard like to apologize to the families of the deceased and to the Australian people for the unnecessary deaths their border security policies directly resulted in? Angry

Asylum seekers take desperate measures.
Soften laws is not what is attracting them to handle such a trip.

Pity the statistics say otherwise eh.

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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Reply #169 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:06am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 6:54am:

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Prevailing wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 6:09pm:

Would Bob Brown and Julia Gillard like to apologize to the families of the deceased and to the Australian people for the unnecessary deaths their border security policies directly resulted in? Angry

Asylum seekers take desperate measures.
Soften laws is not what is attracting them to handle such a trip.

Pity the statistics say otherwise eh.

True chickenlipsforme
And the stats are from kevin Rudd's own office.

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Reply #170 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:10am

Another day, another cynical attempt by right whingers to gain political mileage out of the desperate and stateless...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/secret-wikileaks-us-cables-cr...

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A cable obtained by WikiLeaks and provided to Fairfax says an unnamed "key Liberal Party strategist" told US diplomats in November last year that the issue of asylum seekers was "fantastic" for the coalition and "the more boats that come the better".

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Reply #171 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:19am

Equitist wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:10am:

Another day, another cynical attempt by right whingers to gain political mileage out of the desperate and stateless...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/secret-wikileaks-us-cables-cr...

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A cable obtained by WikiLeaks and provided to Fairfax says an unnamed "key Liberal Party strategist" told US diplomats in November last year that the issue of asylum seekers was "fantastic" for the coalition and "the more boats that come the better".

No, just another day showing the government up for what they really are.
Just a bunch of inept, incompetent clueless fools who now just happen to have a bucketload of blood on their hands thanks to their poor policies.
It really was only a matter of time until a tragedy like this occurred.
They were warned of the potential consequences of their softening of our working border protection laws some years ago.
So don't shoot the messenger.

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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

Julia Gillard
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Reply #172 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:22am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:19am:

Equitist wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:10am:

Another day, another cynical attempt by right whingers to gain political mileage out of the desperate and stateless...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/secret-wikileaks-us-cables-cr...

Quote:

A cable obtained by WikiLeaks and provided to Fairfax says an unnamed "key Liberal Party strategist" told US diplomats in November last year that the issue of asylum seekers was "fantastic" for the coalition and "the more boats that come the better".

No, just another day showing the government up for what they really are.
Just a bunch of inept, incompetent clueless fools who now just happen to have a bucketload of blood on their hands thanks to their poor policies.
It really was only a matter of time until a tragedy like this occurred.
They were warned of the potential consequences of their softening of our working border protection laws some years ago.
So don't shoot the messenger.

Don't worry chickenlipsforme, it is an unnamed source, supposedly from the Liberal party. May as well say it was from the ALP.
Just another day, another cynical attempt by left whingers to gain political mileage out of the desperate and stateless...
The ALP will stoop to any level to try and get the attention off Julia Gillard.

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Re: Dead boat people
Reply #173 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:23am

We have, in fact, two kinds of morality side by side: one which we preach but do not practice, and another which we practice but seldom preach.
Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970), Sceptical Essays (1928), "Eastern and Western Ideals of Happiness"

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Reply #174 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:58am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 6:54am:

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Prevailing wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 6:09pm:

Would Bob Brown and Julia Gillard like to apologize to the families of the deceased and to the Australian people for the unnecessary deaths their border security policies directly resulted in? Angry

Asylum seekers take desperate measures.
Soften laws is not what is attracting them to handle such a trip.

Pity the statistics say otherwise eh.

yes.
It seems Miss Anne Dryst graph that she provided matches the points I provided.
The Howard government stopped the boats:

What stopped the boats you ask? Let me remind you.

2001: In 2001 there were 51 boats and 5,516 irregular arrivals

Late that year, the US sent ships into the middle east. In fact they invaded Afghanistan. The ships acted as eyes and ears in the area. When the troops moved in they seized the borders and effectively reduced the number of people the people smugglers could smuggle in. This had very little to do with temporary visas.

2002: The Bali Bombings

The bombings, horrific though they were, attracted to Indonesia the scrutiny of the USA’s CIA and FBI as well as our own AFP. This basically made it very hard for people smugglers to ply their trade from Indonesia. Towards the middle of 2004 the scrutiny had eased off and the boats began again. Until…

2004: The Boxing day Tsunami

This natural disaster again curtailed the people smuggling trade. The US sent a air craft carrier into the region with radar capabilities that made it hard for the boat smugglers to launch. Added to that was the fear of the people being smuggled to go to sea.

2005-2006: Return of the eye in the sky.

Satellite technology that had been predominantly swallowed by the Iraq War was used to spot ships. There was even cases of Indonesia themselves turning back some of the boats. So what did the people smugglers do? Launch smaller craft. And this put the lives of the people arriving here at greater risk. It was enough for John Howard to curtail his temporary visa policy as DESPITE IT, the boats kept coming and people were willing to risk it all to get their family to safer shores.

From 2007: War returns to Afghanistan and conflict in Sri Lanka heats up

This gave the smugglers back their product.

Till 2010 where

116 boats have bought in 5,516 people to our shores

So tell me again how liberal party policy helped stop the boats?

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Reply #175 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 8:10am

The graph conveniently misses THIS turning point ...

2009 January - Government troops capture the northern town of Kilinochchi, held for ten years by the Tamil Tigers as their administrative headquarters. President Mahinda Rajapakse calls it an unparalleled victory and urges the rebels to surrender.

2009 February - International concern over the humanitarian situation of thousands of civilians trapped in the battle zone prompts calls for a temporary cease-fire. This is rejected by the government, which says it is on the verge of destroying the Tamil Tigers, but it offers an amnesty to rebels if they surrender.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1166237.stm

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Reply #177 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 12:23pm

The answer to the boat people is simple, it's staring right inthe face of Julia Gillard. Julia Gillard knows what she must do and that is to re-implement the Pacific Solution.
John Howard stopped the boats from coming.
Kevin Rudd started them up again and Julia Gillard opened the flood gates.

And Kevin Rudd's own department confirms this.

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Reply #178 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 12:37pm

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 12:23pm:

The answer to the boat people is simple, it's staring right inthe face of Julia Gillard. Julia Gillard knows what she must do and that is to re-implement the Pacific Solution.
John Howard stopped the boats from coming.
Kevin Rudd started them up again and Julia Gillard opened the flood gates.

And Kevin Rudd's own department confirms this.

Hey mellie its time for a costume change . This one is too much like the mellie nick, bring back maqqa.

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Reply #179 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 1:01pm

Equitist wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:35pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:29pm:

Equitist wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:24pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:15pm:

Equitist wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:11pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:02pm:

"A cable obtained by WikiLeaks and provided to Fairfax says an unnamed "key Liberal Party strategist" told US diplomats in November last year that the issue of asylum seekers was "fantastic" for the coalition and "the more boats that come the better"."

Even if this is true, it would only reinforce the ALP`s guilt in the upsurgance of people smuggling, and the resultant deaths at sea.

Of course it is true - one only needs to look at the Liberal Party's election platform in 2010 for the divisive spin "STOP THE BOATS"!

Ditto re all previous Federal elections in living memory...

Ditto re the ever-present anti asylum seeker rants by right whingers on these and other Aussie forums...

What I don't get, is why the source is purportedly 'unnamed' in this instance - do the Wikileaks documents not contain the name of the braggart or are the right-wing media protecting their Lib mates when they've shown a propensity to release names with controversial Wikileaks quotes by Lab pollies...

You obviously have no interest in stopping the boats AND further deaths at sea.

You, cynical and opportunistic sir, obviously have no interest in the lives and livelihoods of those vulnerable people who are desperate enough to risk coming here by sea...

Who`s weak policies encouraged them to take the trip?
How many genuine refugees can fit into Australia?
Why don`t you think just a little bit?

Here's something for you to think about: -

WHERE THE BLOODY HELL ARE YOU?

No Boats.

Making absolutely no sense as per usual. However, there are billions of people within people smuggling range of Australia who for various reasons, are living under inhuman conditions, we simply can`t take them all. The concept of people smuggling is entirely wrong, and must be discouraged.

Browsing through some of the previous posts, I can see that trying to hold a productive dialogue with some posters is wasted time. To actually try to argue that Aust Govt policy has no effect on this problem is confirmation of serious intelect deficiency.

It`s my contention that to put one`s own feel good emotions above the lives of others is at best, unhelpfull, and at worst totally idiotic. Emotional wrist flappers to the back, problem solvers to the fore!

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