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Reply #135 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 3:00pm
 
codswal wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 2:36pm:
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You miss my point, I am not anti refugee.  I am happy to take them, but I feel we should be taking the ones who have gone through all the correct channels in order to achieve that status.


And you miss mine.
There is NO orderly queue.
Do you really think people sit in refo camps with a number waiting their turn? please answer that.
Some people in camps will never leave that camp, some will spend only months there, there is NO queue.


I dont care that there isnt a cue, it doesnt excuse the fact there should be one.

I want fairness and equality in the process, and as it stands there is none.

I dont see it as fair for those who make it here get priority over those that were not as fortunate.

You are the champion of fairness and equality, how about applying to your own cause as a whole and not selectivley.



verge there is a queue.. or at least a system.. we take something like 30.000 refugees a year..like all other countries we take our share... where do you think we get them from?????

what the system of intake is I wouldnt know but if they all came by boat.. then it would be very selective and up to the people smugglers to choose who we take..

and I dont see that as being the case.

I would imagine all thesegroups that run these camps would have a certain say in who comes.. otherwise we would get them all from one country and we know that is not the case..

we take our share we do it the legal way.. for anyone to say there isnt a queue!!!!!.. call it what you like.. a system of choice..

is being particularly blindfolded, stupid, or both

there is NO queue, but we're all used to your lies.
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Reply #136 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 3:08pm
 
Why are all these threads about refugees arriving by boat on the politics message board?
Are we admitting that refugees are being used by the extreme right as political scape goats?
If refugees are not being used as a political tool then surely threads about reffo's should be posted else where, may I suggest the Extremism Exposed board?  Smiley
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Reply #137 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 3:14pm
 
The Liberal party have spent years conducting a relentless vilification campaign against asylum seekers.

... today  after seeing Scott Morrision, Ms Bishop and all have so much compassion I think their  latest campaign slogan " Stop the Boats" should be change to something I feel is more fitting,
" Lets save lives" !
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Reply #138 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 3:15pm
 




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JULIA Gillard wants the Coalition to help the government determine the facts behind the deaths of asylum-seekers in the Christmas Island disaster.

The Prime Minister's invitation to the opposition to join a bipartisan group came as authorities continued to search for more victims from the boat which smashed into rocks at Christmas Island yesterday, killing at least 28 men, women and children.......





Jim Posted at 3:48 PM Today
Will the PM allow a bipartisan probe into her government's complete and utter failure to secure our borders and stop the boats? Didn't think so.

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geoff of perth Posted at 3:48 PM Today
Message to the PM, you know where the coalition stands on this matter, don't try and make this their problem, you have the policy settings you want, then accept the consequences.

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poa Posted at 3:49 PM Today
The "Don't blame Julia" brigade is out in force today. Gillard calling for bipartisanship is just disgraceful. Do the Coalition have responsiblity for this issue?. Did they refuse the Naruu solution that we know stopped the boats?. This is "Children Overboard ..ALP style" Its Gillards playing political games with asylum seekers that killed these people. And damnn right...I'm cross!

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Regis of Sydney Posted at 3:55 PM Today
Ever the cunning politician Gillard is, it is a nice attempt by her Govt to distract from its failings by trying to put a bi partisan spin to it. The country needs a leader which Gillard is not.

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/pm-wants-bipartisan-probe-into-...


dear judas,

get stuffed.

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Reply #139 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 3:26pm
 
There are few postures quite as serpentine as that of the bully who disguises his cruelty as some kind of love. Sadistic teachers of old were fond of it - the furrowed brow and fraudulent look of regret as they caned you “for your own good” - and the history of xenophobia is rich with creeps who dolled up their barbarism as a humane sympathy for the very people they sought to oppress. The asylum seekers who drowned off Christmas Island last night had barely taken their last breaths when such ghouls began riding their waterlogged bones, boastfully declaring the tragedy a vindication of their own contemptuous beliefs, their allergy to foreigners camouflaged behind a sick exhibition of concern for the very lives they couldn’t give two $#@&s about.  
The argument - which you’ll find all over this very news portal - is that our Government today has the blood of the dead on its hands, Australia’s relaxation of its policy towards asylum seekers having lured such wretches here in the first place. The more “compassionate” policy, they say - one that would allegedly have prevented this tragedy - would be to make life more difficult for such unfortunates, to turn their boats around while at sea, to harass and intimidate them with such rigor as to make traveling to Australia by boat an entirely unattractive proposal.

This argument is lanced by the very incident such frauds are opportunistically using to mount it, for there is no greater deterrent to illegal immigration than death at sea. If deterring asylum seekers is what it’s all about, then last night’s sinking - engineered, apparently, by our Government’s soft hand - will be a far more foreboding advertisement than the prospect of simply having one’s time and money wasted by being turned around. Those who believe in tough love should be applauding the tragedy, if they can work out how to clap with iron fists in velvet gloves.

But the truth is that there’s no love in those voices at all. It’s a pretense. They speak of “deterrent” as some sort of insecticide, the creatures it’s made for mere flies and roaches that scurry about with no more determination than vermin. As if anyone who makes a journey such as this is no more desperate and intelligently resolved than a pigeon looking for somewhere to crap. Put up a scarecrow and they’ll go somewhere else. What despicably ignorant and lordly thinking.

They make a lofty distinction between “genuine asylum seekers” and those who apparently embark on treacherous one-way journeys around the world for fun, or whose efforts to enter our country are fueled by the same base desires as those who attempt to jump the queue at the supermarket. As if the responses to poverty and oppression have ever had anything to do with greed. And as if those who trumpet for the protection of “our way of life” are driven by anything more noble than small-minded avarice and jealous self regard.

The issue of immigration routinely becomes perverted by fanciers of political statistics - whether Australia is taking its “share” of asylum seekers, or at what point Australia’s population becomes “unsustainable”. The heart of the matter has nothing to do with these things. It’s a moral question about whether we have the right to declare a piece of earth our own to the exclusion of all humanity but those we deem “appropriate”. Anyone with a brain capable of a fleeting moment’s existential thought knows that we cannot possibly have that right. Whittled down to the bone, it’s a question of how many - and how much - Australians can’t tolerate wogs. The answer is evidently not a pretty one.

Since our colonial inception, Australia has been a home for the wretched, the unfortunate and the brave, those courageous enough - or stupid enough - to find themselves leaving it all behind in the pursuit of a life on the other side. That the sons and daughters of those very people are slamming the door on beggars is onerous enough. That they’re claiming to do it in the name of “compassion” - today, of all days - is a sick joke, and the sick jokers peddling it should never be taken seriously again.


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Reply #140 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 3:31pm
 
Thanks for posting that, darkhall.
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Reply #141 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 3:36pm
 
It is a little odd how many of the people who called for using the boat people as shooting practice for the navy or towing sinking boats back into Indonesian waters also cry crocdile tears for asylum seekers when tragedies such as this occur.
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Reply #142 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 4:13pm
 
Cmon Aussie wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:40pm:
"As many as 30 suspected asylum seekers are feared dead after their boat smashed against jagged rocks on Christmas Island, off the north-west coast of Australia".

I believe the actual figure of the dead maybe be lower, around 12, the fact remains.. Labor can no longer hide. There is blood on the Labor Party hands and it's purely due to a flawed policy plus the Labor inability to simply say.."We were wrong and we will change back to the tried and proven Liberal Party policy regarding illegal boats entering our waters.

Wake up Ms Gillard. This latest situation off Christmas Island is only the one we know about. How many other poor souls have perished at sea, because of your useless policy, before they even got into Australian waters? Angry



The Greens and the Gillard Government are criminally responsible for these deaths because of their weakness on border security and welcome mat policy encouraging more nand more to risk their lives to illegally come here.  Fill up the measure of your guilt racists and traitors. Angry
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Reply #143 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 4:28pm
 
Prevailing wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 4:13pm:
Cmon Aussie wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:40pm:
"As many as 30 suspected asylum seekers are feared dead after their boat smashed against jagged rocks on Christmas Island, off the north-west coast of Australia".

I believe the actual figure of the dead maybe be lower, around 12, the fact remains.. Labor can no longer hide. There is blood on the Labor Party hands and it's purely due to a flawed policy plus the Labor inability to simply say.."We were wrong and we will change back to the tried and proven Liberal Party policy regarding illegal boats entering our waters.

Wake up Ms Gillard. This latest situation off Christmas Island is only the one we know about. How many other poor souls have perished at sea, because of your useless policy, before they even got into Australian waters? Angry



The Greens and the Gillard Government are criminally responsible for these deaths because of their weakness on border security and welcome mat policy encouraging more nand more to risk their lives to illegally come here.  Fill up the measure of your guilt racists and traitors. Angry





Please see my post above .

You ignoramus.
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Reply #144 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 5:18pm
 
skippy. wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 3:00pm:
codswal wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 2:36pm:
Verge wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 1:17pm:
skippy. wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 12:54pm:
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You miss my point, I am not anti refugee.  I am happy to take them, but I feel we should be taking the ones who have gone through all the correct channels in order to achieve that status.


And you miss mine.
There is NO orderly queue.
Do you really think people sit in refo camps with a number waiting their turn? please answer that.
Some people in camps will never leave that camp, some will spend only months there, there is NO queue.


I dont care that there isnt a cue, it doesnt excuse the fact there should be one.

I want fairness and equality in the process, and as it stands there is none.

I dont see it as fair for those who make it here get priority over those that were not as fortunate.

You are the champion of fairness and equality, how about applying to your own cause as a whole and not selectivley.



verge there is a queue.. or at least a system.. we take something like 30.000 refugees a year..like all other countries we take our share... where do you think we get them from?????

what the system of intake is I wouldnt know but if they all came by boat.. then it would be very selective and up to the people smugglers to choose who we take..

and I dont see that as being the case.

I would imagine all thesegroups that run these camps would have a certain say in who comes.. otherwise we would get them all from one country and we know that is not the case..

we take our share we do it the legal way.. for anyone to say there isnt a queue!!!!!.. call it what you like.. a system of choice..

is being particularly blindfolded, stupid, or both

there is NO queue, but we're all used to your lies.





so how do we get the 30.000 or so other refugees that dont come by boat.. where do they get picked from and how?????..

does immigration just wander the streets of,  wherever!!!!.a pin stuck into a map maybe.. and then just say.

your picked, your picked, no not you your too tall/short/bald. whatever we dont want you.

I would really like to know.. you seem to know a lot more than most on here as you call everyone a liar.. so tell us how does our share of refugees get chosen!... no queues remember.

maybe they have lotteries in these camps..mmmmmmmmm pick a country..
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Reply #145 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 5:50pm
 
The Howard government stopped the boats:

What stopped the boats you ask? Let me remind you.


2001:   In 2001 there were 51 boats and 5,516 irregular arrivals

Late that year, the US sent ships into the middle east. In fact they invaded Afghanistan. The ships acted as eyes and ears in the area. When the troops moved in they seized the borders and effectively reduced the number of people the people smugglers could smuggle in. This had very little to do with temporary visas.

2002:    The Bali Bombings

The bombings, horrific though they were, attracted to Indonesia the scrutiny of the USA’s CIA and FBI as well as our own AFP. This basically made it very hard for people smugglers to ply their trade from Indonesia. Towards the middle of 2004 the scrutiny had eased off and the boats began again. Until…

2004:     The Boxing day Tsunami

This natural disaster again curtailed the people smuggling trade. The US sent a air craft carrier into the region with radar capabilities that made it hard for the boat smugglers to launch. Added to that was the fear of the people being smuggled to go to sea.

2005-2006:    Return of the eye in the sky.

Satellite technology that had been predominantly swallowed by the Iraq War was used to spot ships. There was even cases of Indonesia themselves turning back some of the boats. So what did the people smugglers do? Launch smaller craft. And this put the lives of the people arriving here at greater risk. It was enough for John Howard to curtail his temporary visa policy as DESPITE IT, the boats kept coming and people were willing to risk it all to get their family to safer shores.

From 2007:      War returns to Afghanistan and  conflict in Sri Lanka heats up

This gave the smugglers back their product.

Till 2010 where

116 boats have bought in 5,516 people to our shores


So tell me again how liberal party policy helped stop the boats.


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Reply #146 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:03pm
 
The Pacific Solution STOPPED the boats.
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Reply #147 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:05pm
 
I would like to see  Abbott or morrison or Ms Bishop come out and tell us how the asylum seeker issue  be handled better, with less potentially serious consequences.

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Reply #148 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:09pm
 
Would Bob Brown and Julia Gillard like to apologize to the families of the deceased and to the Australian people for the unnecessary deaths their border security policies directly resulted in? Angry
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Reply #149 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:17pm
 
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I would like to see  Abbott or morrison or Ms Bishop come out and tell us how the asylum seeker issue  be handled better, with less potentially serious consequences.





Are you related to Julia Gillard?
As Julia Gillard also knows the answer but is just being stupidly stubborn. Julia Gillard refuses to implement the Pacific Solution as Julia Gillard knows that that works.
Stopped the boats and how many died again?
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