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Re: Speed Cameras
Reply #90 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:18am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 7:54am:

Infarction wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 7:51am:

Now that we have discovered why you are actually opposed to it the discussion has changed somewhat.

Pretend all you like but you outer yourself as a "safe speeder" so your opinion on this becomes largely irrelevant.

of course. That probably makes a lot of sense to you. but in the REAL world of thinking people, problems and issues dont just disappear because you dont like them. my guess is that you are either geriatric and drive 10 below at all times causing trouble or you are too young to hold a licence.

What? Who said anything about anything disappearing?

As for your guesses. All incorrect, which i guess comes as no surprise.

What isn't in doubt however is that you are someone who makes excuses for speeding and as such are pretending that you have a concern about so called black spots and cameras where in actual fact your issue is with your beleifs around speeding and how such camera's impact this.

In anycase, what is wrong with camera's in areas that do not already have a lot of speeding related accidents?

Surely camera's along with mobile cameras and police cars with cameras on, for example, long stretches of straight motorway to prevent massive high speed impacts are acceptable?

Or would you consider this revenue raising as well since you should be able to speed if you see it as acceptable to do so?

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Re: Speed Cameras
Reply #91 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:18am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 7:56am:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 7:51am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 7:47am:

Infarction wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 7:44am:

Not really.

Those that like to speed because they have determined it's safe to do so tend to oppose and whinge about speed cameras.

I wonder why that is.

Tis a noodle scratcher isn't it Grin

and off the topic we go yet again. whyt cant you actually address the issue?

This is why longy

You are very right. sounds a lot like skippy or aussie too. both trolls at times.

You consider everyone who disagrees with you as a troll?

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Re: Speed Cameras
Reply #92 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:22am

Infarction wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:18am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 7:54am:

Infarction wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 7:51am:

Now that we have discovered why you are actually opposed to it the discussion has changed somewhat.

Pretend all you like but you outer yourself as a "safe speeder" so your opinion on this becomes largely irrelevant.

of course. That probably makes a lot of sense to you. but in the REAL world of thinking people, problems and issues dont just disappear because you dont like them. my guess is that you are either geriatric and drive 10 below at all times causing trouble or you are too young to hold a licence.

What? Who said anything about anything disappearing?

As for your guesses. All incorrect, which i guess comes as no surprise.

What isn't in doubt however is that you are someone who makes excuses for speeding and as such are pretending that you have a concern about so called black spots and cameras where in actual fact your issue is with your beleifs around speeding and how such camera's impact this.

In anycase, what is wrong with camera's in areas that do not already have a lot of speeding related accidents?

Surely camera's along with mobile cameras and police cars with cameras on, for example, long stretches of straight motorway to prevent massive high speed impacts are acceptable?

Or would you consider this revenue raising as well since you should be able to speed if you see it as acceptable to do so?

what is wrong with them is that they are used in areas that DONT need them while not going in places that DO need them all because one makes more money in fines. so how about actually adressing THAT issue

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Reply #94 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:29am

I don't see it speed cameras as being a problem. Is speeding safe? Well no - driving a car isn't safe. It carries a high level of risk of fatality. If you drive too quickly for the conditions, then you increase that risk again.

Speed cops discourage speeding, especially if they patrol roads on a regular basis. I don't know how many times I've heard it in country towns "Watch out for that new cop from the city - He books everybody for speeding. Bad sort. He just wants to make an impression so he can get a promotion and move on."

The result is that people drive within the speed limit, and it reduces the risk of fatality on that stretch of road. It's not a pleasant thing to have to cut people from a wrecked car. The fire service usually bring in counsellors after really bad accidents. Sometimes it's speed. Sometimes it's stupidity, like doing a U turn on the highway without looking.

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Re: Speed Cameras
Reply #95 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:29am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:22am:

Infarction wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:18am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 7:54am:

Infarction wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 7:51am:

Now that we have discovered why you are actually opposed to it the discussion has changed somewhat.

Pretend all you like but you outer yourself as a "safe speeder" so your opinion on this becomes largely irrelevant.

of course. That probably makes a lot of sense to you. but in the REAL world of thinking people, problems and issues dont just disappear because you dont like them. my guess is that you are either geriatric and drive 10 below at all times causing trouble or you are too young to hold a licence.

What? Who said anything about anything disappearing?

As for your guesses. All incorrect, which i guess comes as no surprise.

What isn't in doubt however is that you are someone who makes excuses for speeding and as such are pretending that you have a concern about so called black spots and cameras where in actual fact your issue is with your beleifs around speeding and how such camera's impact this.

In anycase, what is wrong with camera's in areas that do not already have a lot of speeding related accidents?

Surely camera's along with mobile cameras and police cars with cameras on, for example, long stretches of straight motorway to prevent massive high speed impacts are acceptable?

Or would you consider this revenue raising as well since you should be able to speed if you see it as acceptable to do so?

what is wrong with them is that they are used in areas that DONT need them while not going in places that DO need them all because one makes more money in fines. so how about actually adressing THAT issue

I do enjoy your over use of caps, perhaps you could also underline or bold the caps as well?

I have addressed that point, as with my last post, what makes you say such a road doesn't need them? because motorists don't speed dangerously? Because we shouldn't be preventing them from doing so and should only consider patrolling areas once they have become black spots?

Not every black spot is going to get a camera and not every spot that has a camera should wait until it becomes a black spot to actually get one.

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Re: Speed Cameras
Reply #97 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:31am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:30am:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:23am:

Speed cameras are fine providing they are there to save lives NOT, as this country uses them, to raise revenue. And providing they are calibrated regularly

yes... calibrated correctly WOULD be nice for a change!

They would need to be calibrated a lot more regularly too, like every 3 months at least.

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Re: Speed Cameras
Reply #98 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:32am

muso wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:29am:

I don't see it speed cameras as being a problem. Is speeding safe? Well no - driving a car isn't safe. It carries a high level of risk of fatality. If you drive too quickly for the conditions, then you increase that risk again.

Speed cops discourage speeding, especially if they patrol roads on a regular basis. I don't know how many times I've heard it in country towns "Watch out for that new cop from the city - He books everybody for speeding. Bad sort. He just wants to make an impression so he can get a promotion and move on."

The result is that people drive within the speed limit, and it reduces the risk of fatality on that stretch of road. It's not a pleasant thing to have to cut people from a wrecked car. The fire service usually bring in counsellors after really bad accidents. Sometimes it's speed. Sometimes it's stupidity, like doing a U turn on the highway without looking.

Whilst all very true, the thread is (supposed) to be about the MISPLACEMENT of speed cameras.

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Re: Speed Cameras
Reply #99 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:36am

muso wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:29am:

Speed cops discourage speeding, especially if they patrol roads on a regular basis.

That would be good. But police hardly do freeway or highway patrols anymore, yet alone on a regular basis.
Which highlights that reliance is on cameras for revenue rather than for safety. If they had more visible police on the freeways/highways then I see that as far more effective, as it isn't just speed that they immediately curb but also the other stupid things some drivers do.

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Re: Speed Cameras
Reply #100 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:37am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:32am:

muso wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:29am:

I don't see it speed cameras as being a problem. Is speeding safe? Well no - driving a car isn't safe. It carries a high level of risk of fatality. If you drive too quickly for the conditions, then you increase that risk again.

Speed cops discourage speeding, especially if they patrol roads on a regular basis. I don't know how many times I've heard it in country towns "Watch out for that new cop from the city - He books everybody for speeding. Bad sort. He just wants to make an impression so he can get a promotion and move on."

The result is that people drive within the speed limit, and it reduces the risk of fatality on that stretch of road. It's not a pleasant thing to have to cut people from a wrecked car. The fire service usually bring in counsellors after really bad accidents. Sometimes it's speed. Sometimes it's stupidity, like doing a U turn on the highway without looking.

Whilst all very true, the thread is (supposed) to be about the MISPLACEMENT of speed cameras.

Like hidden behind bridges and overpasses, and behind signs.

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Re: Speed Cameras
Reply #101 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:38am

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:37am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:32am:

muso wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:29am:

I don't see it speed cameras as being a problem. Is speeding safe? Well no - driving a car isn't safe. It carries a high level of risk of fatality. If you drive too quickly for the conditions, then you increase that risk again.

Speed cops discourage speeding, especially if they patrol roads on a regular basis. I don't know how many times I've heard it in country towns "Watch out for that new cop from the city - He books everybody for speeding. Bad sort. He just wants to make an impression so he can get a promotion and move on."

The result is that people drive within the speed limit, and it reduces the risk of fatality on that stretch of road. It's not a pleasant thing to have to cut people from a wrecked car. The fire service usually bring in counsellors after really bad accidents. Sometimes it's speed. Sometimes it's stupidity, like doing a U turn on the highway without looking.

Whilst all very true, the thread is (supposed) to be about the MISPLACEMENT of speed cameras.

Like hidden behind bridges and overpasses, and behind signs.

And placed in areas that have low accidents and at the bottom of hills.

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Re: Speed Cameras
Reply #102 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:40am

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:37am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:32am:

muso wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:29am:

I don't see it speed cameras as being a problem. Is speeding safe? Well no - driving a car isn't safe. It carries a high level of risk of fatality. If you drive too quickly for the conditions, then you increase that risk again.

Speed cops discourage speeding, especially if they patrol roads on a regular basis. I don't know how many times I've heard it in country towns "Watch out for that new cop from the city - He books everybody for speeding. Bad sort. He just wants to make an impression so he can get a promotion and move on."

The result is that people drive within the speed limit, and it reduces the risk of fatality on that stretch of road. It's not a pleasant thing to have to cut people from a wrecked car. The fire service usually bring in counsellors after really bad accidents. Sometimes it's speed. Sometimes it's stupidity, like doing a U turn on the highway without looking.

Whilst all very true, the thread is (supposed) to be about the MISPLACEMENT of speed cameras.

Like hidden behind bridges and overpasses, and behind signs.

Which brings us back to the old don't speed and that is not an issue for you.

Once again it's all very simple stuff.

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Reply #104 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 8:48am

Gee.

Don't get upset because simple facts are pointed out to you. Simply disagreeing with your opinion doesn't make someone a troll. I have asked you what your solution is to the cameras a number of times and you continue to avoid the question. Seems all you want to do is complain without offering any kind of solution to what you see as the problem.

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