It is a strawman argument Abu. You invent their argument for them so that you can pull it apart without the need for any mental effort.

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As far as I can tell, Israel establishes it's legitimacy by slaughtering the Arab armies that come to destroy it, and is just as happy as the Arabs to reject the UN.

Declaring it an illegitimate state using the rulings of an organisation whose mandate you yourself reject just smacks of hypocrisy.

Fact is fact mister.

More facts for you....more Zionists live elsewhere in the world than in Israel.

And , by the way, your antisemitism is showing !!

There are some passages in The koran that not only recognise Israel's right to exist, but stipulate that the Land
was given to them by Allah.

[Sura 10] Jonah: "We settled the Israelites in a blessed land and provided them with good things."
Then to reinforce the message, adds; "If you doubt what We have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you."

[Sura 5:20] Recall that Moses said to his people (the Jews), "O my people, remember GOD's blessings upon you: He appointed prophets from among you, made you kings, and granted you what He never granted any other people."

[Sura 5:21] "O my people, enter the holy land (Israel) that GOD has decreed for you, and do not rebel, lest you become losers."
Later in the Koran, in order to make it clear and leave no doubts that the Jewish G-d had given ownership of the land to and set the mission of the Jews, Mohammed took additional time to repeat the writing of the Torah in Sura 7 about the Jews and Moses:

[Sura 7:137] "We let the oppressed people inherit the land, east and west, and we blessed it. The blessed commands of your Lord were thus fulfilled for the Children of Israel, to reward them for their steadfastness, and we annihilated the works of Pharaoh and his people and everything they harvested."

[Sura 7:144] He said, "O Moses, I have chosen you (the Jews), out of all the people, with My messages and by speaking to you. Therefore, take what I have given you and be appreciative."

Therefore, even according to the Koran, the prophet Mohammed's writings, the Jews were ordered into Israel by Allah !

What is shocking is that most Muslims have never heard of it and never were taught these passages by their mullahs! These parts of the Koran have also been deliberately removed from any discussion of Islamic doctrine by not just Muslim but also Western Islamic scholars!




abu_rashid wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2011 at 6:02pm:

GH,

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I know you're not the brightest spark in the world, but surely you must realise this negates another commonly peddled Zionist argument, that Israel is required because Jews have no other place to go...

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Typical sign of a Zionist losing an argument, the appearance of the word antisemitism.

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That's right it was given to them (about 3250 years ago), and it was also taken from them (which is mentioned in their own book too) about 2500 years ago.

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Well, the Israelites/Hebrews yes, not the Jews. Jews as a people did not come into existence until a millenia or so later. Note also that this was 3250 years ago, and about 1000 years before they were then expelled from the land by God (also according to their own writings).

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Considering most Muslims do not have a 'mullah', it's not surprising their 'mullah' never taught them this.

These verses are quoted all the time by Muslims, because we're not so feeble minded as to think they mean 3250 years later, long after they've been booted out by God, that they've got some right to come and squat in people's homes.

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 9:08pm:


Usually you don't bump a topic when the opposing opinion has had the last post