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Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum
Reply #30 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 5:18pm

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 5:14pm:

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Nice try.
This was only ever just Arab propaganda.
The reality is the Israeli's never implemented any plan to expel Palestinians.
Israel was one day old when it was attacked.
And the Arab League planned their invasion months in advance.

Israel was a non-existent entity. Illegal Jewish immigrants invaded the country, setup militias and fought their way into a position to be able to setup a state. That is in itself an act of war against the existing inhabitants (Arabs). Plan Dalet is a well known historical fact, not even denied by Israel herself. Your pathetic denial of it here is just an indication of how horribly ignorant you are on this issue.

Sorry, Israel IS an existent entity, recognised by 90% of the world..

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum Reply #31 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:49pm Quote: 100% 100% do or don't have citizenship? Quote: Sorry, Israel IS an existent entity, recognised by 90% of the world.. Temporarily, yes. But that's completely irrelevant to my post, enough of your usual diversionary nonsense.
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Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum
Reply #32 - Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 9:56am

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 5:14pm:

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Nice try.
This was only ever just Arab propaganda.
The reality is the Israeli's never implemented any plan to expel Palestinians.
Israel was one day old when it was attacked.
And the Arab League planned their invasion months in advance.

Israel was a non-existent entity. Illegal Jewish immigrants invaded the country, setup militias and fought their way into a position to be able to setup a state. That is in itself an act of war against the existing inhabitants (Arabs). Plan Dalet is a well known historical fact, not even denied by Israel herself. Your pathetic denial of it here is just an indication of how horribly ignorant you are on this issue.

The UN set up the state Abu, not a few illegal immigrants.
You need to read more.

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Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum
Reply #33 - Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 8:21pm

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The UN set up the state Abu, not a few illegal immigrants.

When the Zionist 'project' began, the Jewish population of Palestine was no more than 2%. Those who came mostly came illegally.

The U.N has no right to create states. It never has and still doesn't till this day. It was created by the British, first through their invasion/occupation, then by bringing in the Jews, then by training them in militias, and then by withdrawing at the strategic time. Although they officially ended up prohibiting immigration of Jews, that was all a farce to keep the Arabs on side until their mission (ie. the Jewish population saturation) was complete.

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You need to read more.

No, you just need to read factual historical accounts, not Zionist fairytales.

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Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum
Reply #34 - Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 11:03pm

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The U.N has no right to create states.

Funny how you happily use the UN's mandate when it supports your argument, but conventiently deny they even have a mandate when it doesn't.

Why bother referring to them to back up your argument when you see them as completely illegitmate anyway? Do you see us using an illigitimate authority to legitimise our claims? It just makes you look like a hypocrit. It hardly undermines the Zionists when you accuse them of going against the UN rulings when you reject those rulings too. If you are free to pick and choose when the UN has a right to make a ruling, why aren't they?

The entire Islamic argument against Israel reeks of hypocrisy, because Shariah law permits far nastier practices from Muslims.

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Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum
Reply #35 - Dec 24^th, 2010 at 7:10am

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 8:21pm:

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The UN set up the state Abu, not a few illegal immigrants.

When the Zionist 'project' began, the Jewish population of Palestine was no more than 2%. Those who came mostly came illegally.

The U.N has no right to create states. It never has and still doesn't till this day. It was created by the British, first through their invasion/occupation, then by bringing in the Jews, then by training them in militias, and then by withdrawing at the strategic time. Although they officially ended up prohibiting immigration of Jews, that was all a farce to keep the Arabs on side until their mission (ie. the Jewish population saturation) was complete.

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You need to read more.

No, you just need to read factual historical accounts, not Zionist fairytales.

Abu, the UN has set up states, redrawn borders throughout the 20th century whether in the Middle East or in the Balkans.
To say they have no right to do so is just fairytale stuff.
The British just drew up the plans which could not have occurred if not for the US and the UN.

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Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum
Reply #36 - Dec 24^th, 2010 at 7:14am

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Funny how you happily use the UN's mandate when it supports your argument, but conventiently deny they even have a mandate when it doesn't.

LOL you're a joke fd. This is the Zionist ruse, not mine. They harp on about how evil the U.N is, and how all it's decisions are wrong, then claim it as justification for their very existence.

NOWHERE have I used the U.N to justify anything. The U.N is an illegitimate body which should be dismantled.

Interestingly all you did was quote me saying they have no right to create states, nowhere did you quote me showing that I use them to support my arguments (because I obviously do not).

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Reply #38 - Dec 25^th, 2010 at 6:33pm

International law clearly states that it's illegal to settle civilians into occupied territories.

Where is this internationallaw you refer to from Abu?

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If however you'd prefer to return to that age... so be it, I'm sure the Muslims can oblige. You'd be risking a lot by doing so though.

You think they'd win? Or would they only obligue because of their tendency to bring about their own destruction?

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum Reply #39 - Dec 25^th, 2010 at 6:39pm That was merely a retort to the claim that Britain 'owned' Palestine, and therefore had every right to set into motion the events which led to the mass influx of Jews and the eventual creation of the Zionist state. Nowhere did I use it as a justification.
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Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum
Reply #40 - Dec 25^th, 2010 at 10:00pm

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 24^th, 2010 at 7:14am:

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Funny how you happily use the UN's mandate when it supports your argument, but conventiently deny they even have a mandate when it doesn't.

LOL you're a joke fd. This is the Zionist ruse, not mine. They harp on about how evil the U.N is, and how all it's decisions are wrong, then claim it as justification for their very existence.

NOWHERE have I used the U.N to justify anything. The U.N is an illegitimate body which should be dismantled.

Interestingly all you did was quote me saying they have no right to create states, nowhere did you quote me showing that I use them to support my arguments (because I obviously do not).

Abu, the UN is the basis for International Law....if the UN is 'illegal', the so is ALL International Law...

So pick ONE, it's either 'illegal' to install (your own)civilian population in 'occupied' areas OR the UN is an illegitimate body...

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Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum
Reply #41 - Dec 26^th, 2010 at 8:39am

You still don't seem to get it gizmo.

I am not stating what is legitimate or isn't. I'm pointing out that the Zionist claim to legitimacy is flawed, since it uses the U.N to establish it's legitimacy, when the U.N & it's international law prohibits the very actions used to bring the Zionist entity into existence to begin with.

The Zionist argument is the one which contradicts here, not my view.

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Reply #42 - Dec 26^th, 2010 at 9:44pm

Don't you just love the way he uses Zionist all the time?

"Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism"
- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
". . . You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist.' And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--this is God's own truth.

"Antisemitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently antisemitic, and ever will be so.

"Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered Our Lord. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.

"The Negro people, my friend, know what it is to suffer the torment of tyranny under rulers not of our choosing. Our brothers in Africa have begged, pleaded, requested--DEMANDED the recognition and realization of our inborn right to live in peace under our own sovereignty in our own country.

"How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfilment of God's promise, that his People should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land.

This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.

"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is antisemitism.

"The antisemite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the antisemite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!

"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate antisemitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and a revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled--as others have been--into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to these heartfelt principles that you and I share.

Let my words echo in the depths of your soul: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--make no mistake about it."

From M.L. King Jr., "Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend," Saturday Review_XLVII (Aug. 1967), p. 76.
Reprinted in M.L. King Jr., "This I Believe: Selections from the Writings of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr."

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Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum
Reply #43 - Dec 26^th, 2010 at 9:47pm

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 8:21pm:

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The UN set up the state Abu, not a few illegal immigrants.

When the Zionist 'project' began, the Jewish population of Palestine was no more than 2%. Those who came mostly came illegally.

The U.N has no right to create states. It never has and still doesn't till this day. It was created by the British, first through their invasion/occupation, then by bringing in the Jews, then by training them in militias, and then by withdrawing at the strategic time. Although they officially ended up prohibiting immigration of Jews, that was all a farce to keep the Arabs on side until their mission (ie. the Jewish population saturation) was complete.

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You need to read more.

No, you just need to read factual historical accounts, not Zionist fairytales.

No Abu, it's you who needs to read factual historical accounts

I know what happened my family was there

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