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Reply #15 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:43pm

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:12am:

As far as I'm aware the age of conquest has come to an end. International law clearly states that it's illegal to settle civilians into occupied territories. Israel is one big case of this, the British occupied a territory and brought in foreign civilians to settle it.

If however you'd prefer to return to that age... so be it, I'm sure the Muslims can oblige. You'd be risking a lot by doing so though.

When did it come to an end Abu?

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Reply #16 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:25am

Fact is the British Mandate has no legality today and is null and void.

UN Resolution 181 overode all previous agreements and Israel agreed to that in order to gain Sovereignty via 181.

Israel agreed in its Sovereignty statement to the UN that it accepted the borders and conditions as set out in 181. The Palestinian Territories were earmarked and kept in safe keeping as a seperate Arab State when they were ready to accept. The Palestinian Terrritories were never deemed Israeli Sovereign Territory.

Nor can Israel ever claim Sovereignty over the territories given it is a belligerent occupier and is also in breach of its responsibilities as an occupier.

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inbound39 New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17	Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum Reply #17 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:30am Under International law it is inadmissible to acquire territory by the use of force...defensively or offensively. This was spelt out to Israel in Resolution 242 and subsequent reminders up to the present day. The Fourth Geneva Convention makes all settlements on Palestinian Territory illegal.
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Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum
Reply #18 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:38am

When did it come to an end Abu?

****Specifically at the end of the second world war due to the problems caused by German occupation. It was written into the League of Nations Charter and the UN Charter that followed the winding up of the League of Nations. See Territorial integrity and respect of borders.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49963 At my desk.	Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum Reply #19 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:13pm Wasn't the establishment of Israel part of the winding up of that war?
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Reply #20 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 7:21am

inbound39 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:25am:

Fact is the British Mandate has no legality today and is null and void.

UN Resolution 181 overode all previous agreements and Israel agreed to that in order to gain Sovereignty via 181.

Israel agreed in its Sovereignty statement to the UN that it accepted the borders and conditions as set out in 181. The Palestinian Territories were earmarked and kept in safe keeping as a seperate Arab State when they were ready to accept. The Palestinian Terrritories were never deemed Israeli Sovereign Territory.

Nor can Israel ever claim Sovereignty over the territories given it is a belligerent occupier and is also in breach of its responsibilities as an occupier.

Israel did agree with the borders and conditions as set out, right up until the day after Israel's inception.
Because it was on this day the armies of the Arab League made their respective governments position on the matter known when they attacked Israel in a surprise attack with the objective of seizing all the territory.
Why do you expect Israel to honour an agreement that the Arabs tore up themselves in blood and fire.
Their's a bit too much water under the bridge now.

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Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum
Reply #21 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 7:25am

inbound39 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:30am:

Under International law it is inadmissible to acquire territory by the use of force...defensively or offensively.

This was spelt out to Israel in Resolution 242 and subsequent reminders up to the present day.

The Fourth Geneva Convention makes all settlements on Palestinian Territory illegal.

And that was torn up when the majority of Palestinian territory turned into the Kingdom of Jordan, so take it up with them.
And the Jordanians are turning nothing over to the Palestinians, and want no more of them in Jordan.

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inbound39 New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17	Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum Reply #22 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 12:33pm The Arab armies formally declared a defensive war against the jews due to the jews implementing plan Dalet and previous plans to run and expel the Palestinians out of all of Palestine. It was the jews intent to take ALL of Palestine and take advantage of the British withdrawal.
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Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum
Reply #23 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 12:36pm

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The Origins and Evolution
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Reply #24 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 12:41pm

And the Jordanians are turning nothing over to the Palestinians, and want no more of them in Jordan.

Correct because the Israeli's would love and are trying to force Palestinians into Jordan and out of Palestinian territory...which is officially Palestinian. Jordan has rejected Palestinians haveing the right of citizenship in Jordan in order to block Israeli moves in denying Palestinians their own rightful territory.

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Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum
Reply #25 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 2:47pm

inbound39 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 12:33pm:

The Arab armies formally declared a defensive war against the jews due to the jews implementing plan Dalet and previous plans to run and expel the Palestinians out of all of Palestine. It was the jews intent to take ALL of Palestine and take advantage of the British withdrawal.

Nice try.
This was only ever just Arab propaganda.
The reality is the Israeli's never implemented any plan to expel Palestinians.
Israel was one day old when it was attacked.
And the Arab League planned their invasion months in advance.

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Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum
Reply #26 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 2:56pm

inbound39 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 12:41pm:

And the Jordanians are turning nothing over to the Palestinians, and want no more of them in Jordan.

Correct because the Israeli's would love and are trying to force Palestinians into Jordan and out of Palestinian territory...which is officially Palestinian. Jordan has rejected Palestinians haveing the right of citizenship in Jordan in order to block Israeli moves in denying Palestinians their own rightful territory.

No Jordan has rejected the Palestinians right to citizenship because of the Black September battles..

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum Reply #27 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 5:12pm Quote: No Jordan has rejected the Palestinians right to citizenship because of the Black September battles.. Really? So no Palestinian refugees in Jordan have citizenship? If so, what %? Please do tell...
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Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum
Reply #28 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 5:14pm

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Nice try.
This was only ever just Arab propaganda.
The reality is the Israeli's never implemented any plan to expel Palestinians.
Israel was one day old when it was attacked.
And the Arab League planned their invasion months in advance.

Israel was a non-existent entity. Illegal Jewish immigrants invaded the country, setup militias and fought their way into a position to be able to setup a state. That is in itself an act of war against the existing inhabitants (Arabs). Plan Dalet is a well known historical fact, not even denied by Israel herself. Your pathetic denial of it here is just an indication of how horribly ignorant you are on this issue.

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Hamas contradicts itself on peace referendum Reply #29 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 5:16pm abu_rashid wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 5:12pm: Quote: No Jordan has rejected the Palestinians right to citizenship because of the Black September battles.. Really? So no Palestinian refugees in Jordan have citizenship? If so, what %? Please do tell... 100%
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