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Re: Government, Climate Action - We're Still Divided
Reply #30 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:50am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:46am:

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:37am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 7^th, 2010 at 11:58am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7^th, 2010 at 11:33am:

Fact -

Chinese emissions increases were FIVE TIMES the combined reduction from Kyoto achieved by the developed world.

If every Australia and American DECREASED their emissions by 75% - they would match the emissions produced by each Chinese

And if every Australia and American DECREASED their emissions by 95% - they would match the emissions produced by each Indian

And if China reduced it's emissions by 80% - they would match Australia's emissions...

Yet what is the population difference.

Are you saying Chinese in rural areas should have no electricity or food so you can keep your lifestyle.

Don't you understand we are all in this together and trying to ride on the world's poor is just a discussed attribute of some right wingers.

Wake Up To Yourself.

No, but given China's wealth.....Maybe they should be building nuclear power plants so as to reduce their emissions...

Also pointing out that 'per capita' is an idiotic way to judge the 'worst emitters'...

And what about your lifestyle.

Should you be cutting back your carbon footprint?

Meanwhile China is leading a Green Revolution in electricity ... a Green Revolution in electricity you Liberals are fighting against here in Australia.

China will peak this decade in coal pollution ... when will Australia?

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Re: Government, Climate Action - We're Still Divided
Reply #32 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:54am

____ wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:50am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:46am:

____ wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:43am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:37am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 7^th, 2010 at 11:58am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7^th, 2010 at 11:33am:

Fact -

Chinese emissions increases were FIVE TIMES the combined reduction from Kyoto achieved by the developed world.

If every Australia and American DECREASED their emissions by 75% - they would match the emissions produced by each Chinese

And if every Australia and American DECREASED their emissions by 95% - they would match the emissions produced by each Indian

And if China reduced it's emissions by 80% - they would match Australia's emissions...

Yet what is the population difference.

Are you saying Chinese in rural areas should have no electricity or food so you can keep your lifestyle.

Don't you understand we are all in this together and trying to ride on the world's poor is just a discussed attribute of some right wingers.

Wake Up To Yourself.

No, but given China's wealth.....Maybe they should be building nuclear power plants so as to reduce their emissions...

Also pointing out that 'per capita' is an idiotic way to judge the 'worst emitters'...

And what about your lifestyle.

Should you be cutting back your carbon footprint?

Meanwhile China is leading a Green Revolution in electricity ... a Green Revolution in electricity you Liberals are fighting against here in Australia.

China will peak this decade in coal pollution ... when will Australia?

Why should I cut back on my 'carbon footprint'???
You yourself wrote that climate change is natural.......so it won't make any difference will it???

And it's NOT the Liberals who are blocking the Green energy revolution, it's the Greens party and Labor that don't want nuclear (zero emissions) power used...

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Re: Government, Climate Action - We're Still Divided
Reply #33 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:56am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:54am:

Why should I cut back on my 'carbon footprint'???
You yourself wrote that climate change is natural.......so it won't make any difference will it???

And it's NOT the Liberals who are blocking the Green energy revolution, it's the Greens party and Labor that don't want nuclear (zero emissions) power used...

Are you being logical?

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Re: Government, Climate Action - We're Still Divided
Reply #34 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 7:05am

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:56am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:54am:

Why should I cut back on my 'carbon footprint'???
You yourself wrote that climate change is natural.......so it won't make any difference will it???

And it's NOT the Liberals who are blocking the Green energy revolution, it's the Greens party and Labor that don't want nuclear (zero emissions) power used...

Are you being logical?

For Gizmo

OOPS, yeah sorry, forgot where I was and used logic....

My Bad.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Government, Climate Action - We're Still Divided
Reply #35 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 7:11am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:54am:

____ wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:50am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:46am:

____ wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:43am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:37am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 7^th, 2010 at 11:58am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7^th, 2010 at 11:33am:

Fact -

Chinese emissions increases were FIVE TIMES the combined reduction from Kyoto achieved by the developed world.

If every Australia and American DECREASED their emissions by 75% - they would match the emissions produced by each Chinese

And if every Australia and American DECREASED their emissions by 95% - they would match the emissions produced by each Indian

And if China reduced it's emissions by 80% - they would match Australia's emissions...

Yet what is the population difference.

Are you saying Chinese in rural areas should have no electricity or food so you can keep your lifestyle.

Don't you understand we are all in this together and trying to ride on the world's poor is just a discussed attribute of some right wingers.

Wake Up To Yourself.

No, but given China's wealth.....Maybe they should be building nuclear power plants so as to reduce their emissions...

Also pointing out that 'per capita' is an idiotic way to judge the 'worst emitters'...

And what about your lifestyle.

Should you be cutting back your carbon footprint?

Meanwhile China is leading a Green Revolution in electricity ... a Green Revolution in electricity you Liberals are fighting against here in Australia.

China will peak this decade in coal pollution ... when will Australia?

Why should I cut back on my 'carbon footprint'???
You yourself wrote that climate change is natural.......so it won't make any difference will it???

And it's NOT the Liberals who are blocking the Green energy revolution, it's the Greens party and Labor that don't want nuclear (zero emissions) power used...

why should anyone and everyone work at reducing Australia's carbon pollution.

because we are one of the largest polluters per capita.

I did write human caused climate change is natural if you saw humans as a natural part of the environment. Yet some human activity is not natural, like polluting to a degree where it risks the who system that underpins our civilisation. Please don't twist my previous posts.

Also to make the claim nuclear is carbon free is on par with claiming coal electricity is the cheapest.

The full nuclear cycle does produce carbon pollution ... along side other pollution.

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Re: Government, Climate Action - We're Still Divided
Reply #36 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 7:45am

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:48am:

I did my bit this morning towards fighting natural climate change or is it man made climate change it's so easy to get them confused!
I didn't use my car's headlights!!!

That will reduce Australia's emissions for sure and help the world as a whole!

You've already done more than the Copenhagen Conference did.

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Re: Government, Climate Action - We're Still Divided
Reply #37 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:54pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 7:45am:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:48am:

I did my bit this morning towards fighting natural climate change or is it man made climate change it's so easy to get them confused!
I didn't use my car's headlights!!!

That will reduce Australia's emissions for sure and help the world as a whole!

You've already done more than the Copenhagen Conference did.

LOL
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Re: Government, Climate Action - We're Still Divided
Reply #38 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 6:51am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7^th, 2010 at 8:54am:

"Would you want to pay more for your energy bills?"

Anyone who answers yes needs their head read.

I would prefer everything to be free. But failing that, I am happy to pay my fair share. I'm not sure how dumbing the issue down to this extent helps anything.

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Re: Government, Climate Action - We're Still Divided
Reply #39 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 8:44am

____ wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 7:11am: