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Government, Climate Action - We're Still Divided
Dec 7th, 2010 at 12:04am
 
Australians neatly divided on carbon: Newspoll
Dennis Shanahan, Political editor
The Australian December 06, 2010 10:10PM

AUSTRALIANS are evenly split over whether they would pay more for energy to cut greenhouse gas emissions, according to the latest Newspoll.

The nation, however, overwhelmingly believes climate change is caused by mankind.

At the end of this year - which delivered a hung parliament - voters also remain evenly split between the Gillard government and the Tony Abbott-led opposition.

According to the latest political Newspoll survey for the year, conducted exclusively for The Australian last weekend, support for the ALP with Greens' preferences is equal to the Coalition, on a 50-50 split.

The Coalition has ended the year ahead of the government on primary vote, 41 per cent to Labor's 34 per cent, with the Greens' primary vote ending the year on 14 per cent.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/australians-neatly-divided-on-carbon-newspo...




A few selected highlights from the Australian
No surprises THERE

No spread-sheet so far
Perhaps more detail tomorrow


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Reply #1 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 6:57am
 
Notice the loaded question


Under the federal government's plan to put a price on carbon, the price of energy sources such as petrol, electricity and gas 'MAY' become more expensive. Would you personally be in favour or against paying more for energy sources such as petrol, electricity and gas if it would slow global warming?


So it's a question about people being willing to pay more for energy.

Nothing to do with global warming.

well done the unAustralian for twisting yet another poll to suit your agenda.
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Reply #2 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 8:54am
 
"Would you want to pay more for your energy bills?"

Anyone who answers yes needs their head read.
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Reply #3 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 8:57am
 
Interesting poll.

77% of people believe that climate change is occurring and 94% of them believe that it is mostly caused by humans.
Even a majority of Coalition supporters believe in human induced climate change.
All this despite the massively funded campaign by the cashed up mining and oil lobbies to try and discredit human induced climate change.

And the Greens vote still at 14%. I guess that would explain all the threads by the right wingers attacking them.
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Reply #4 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 9:00am
 
I have voted in the past for the Coalition.

I believe in climate change and I think humans have played a role in this - although not as big as some would have you believe.

I do not believe though that I should have to pay more for my energy when the real problem is the increase in emissions by China and India.

The answer is a globalised one. We need to halt the rise of usage by those two nations back to where they used to be.
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Reply #5 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 9:06am
 
Two points ....

94% of people believe human activity to be the total or partial cause of climate change

Only half of these would be willing to make any sacrifice to try and help in minimising the effect


"Can't someone else do it !"

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2010/12/07/1225966/703743-101207-newspoll.pdf


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Reply #6 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 9:15am
 
What exactly does a 'carbon tax' do for us other than make energy more expensive for everyday families already struggling to stay above water?

Those people advocating spending more on energy often have no idea what it is like to run a family budget.

It is arrogance beyond belief.
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Reply #7 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 9:18am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 7th, 2010 at 9:06am:
Two points ....

94% of people believe human activity to be the total or partial cause of climate change

Only half of these would be willing to make any sacrifice to try and help in minimising the effect


"Can't someone else do it !"

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2010/12/07/1225966/703743-101207-newspoll.pdf


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Its more so "why should we pay through the nose and put massive pressure on the cost of living and business when the USA, China and India produce more in a day each than we do a year and will have no such restrictions on their businesses and cost of living
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Reply #8 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 9:21am
 
Verge wrote on Dec 7th, 2010 at 9:18am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 7th, 2010 at 9:06am:
Two points ....

94% of people believe human activity to be the total or partial cause of climate change

Only half of these would be willing to make any sacrifice to try and help in minimising the effect


"Can't someone else do it !"

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2010/12/07/1225966/703743-101207-newspoll.pdf


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Its more so "why should we pay through the nose and put massive pressure on the cost of living and business when the USA, China and India produce more in a day each than we do a year and will have no such restrictions on their businesses and cost of living



Fact.

Chinese emissions increases were FIVE TIMES that of the Kyoto reductions achieved by all countries added together.

It's not hard to see where the problem country is.

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Reply #9 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 9:35am
 
____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2010 at 6:57am:
Notice the loaded question


Under the federal government's plan to put a price on carbon, the price of energy sources such as petrol, electricity and gas 'MAY' become more expensive. Would you personally be in favour or against paying more for energy sources such as petrol, electricity and gas if it would slow global warming?


So it's a question about people being willing to pay more for energy.

Nothing to do with global warming.

well done the unAustralian for twisting yet another poll to suit your agenda.



No, I didn't notice the loaded question.

How woyuld you have phrased it?

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Reply #10 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 10:12am
 
Verge wrote on Dec 7th, 2010 at 9:18am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 7th, 2010 at 9:06am:
Two points ....

94% of people believe human activity to be the total or partial cause of climate change

Only half of these would be willing to make any sacrifice to try and help in minimising the effect


"Can't someone else do it !"

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2010/12/07/1225966/703743-101207-newspoll.pdf


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Its more so "why should we pay through the nose and put massive pressure on the cost of living and business when the USA, China and India produce more in a day each than we do a year and will have no such restrictions on their businesses and cost of living






China produceed in 2009, 4.91 tonnes per capita
India, 1.3 tonnes
The US, 19.8 tonnes
Australia, 20.82 tonnes



You have a point with the US

But any suggestion that countries with populations in the BILLIONS should be compared with Australians on total emissions is LUDICROUS

What would you suggest India DO ?

Cut back on the excessive 1 lightbulb per household - an learn to share one with the neighbours ?

Baring in mind China - how much of THEIR total is driven by consumer demand from the west in manufacturing ?




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Reply #11 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 11:32am
 
China could back binding carbon target


China is prepared to make its voluntary carbon emissions target part of a binding United Nations resolution, a senior negotiator said.

The concession may pressure developed countries to extend the Kyoto Protocol.

The ongoing UN climate talks in Mexico hinge on agreement to cement national emissions targets after 2012, when the present round of Kyoto carbon caps end.

Kyoto binds the emissions of nearly 40 developed countries.

Developing countries want to extend the protocol, but some industrialised nations, including Japan, Russia and Canada, want a separate new agreement that regulates the emissions of all nations.

China has previously rejected making its domestic emissions goals binding.

But Huang Huikang, the Chinese foreign ministry's envoy for climate change talks, says a resolution could be created that would be binding on China.

"We can even have a legally-binding decision. We can discuss the specific form. We can make our efforts a part of international efforts," he said.

"Our view is that to address these concerns, there's no need to overturn the Kyoto Protocol and start all over again."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/07/3086652.htm?section=justin


China has signaled she is willing ... Looks like the neo cons within a Liberal Party will have to start listening to their small l Liberal wing. Soon neo cons will have no where to hide.
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Reply #12 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 11:33am
 
Fact -

Chinese emissions increases were FIVE TIMES the combined reduction from Kyoto achieved by the developed world.

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Reply #13 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 11:52am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7th, 2010 at 11:33am:
Fact -

Chinese emissions increases were FIVE TIMES the combined reduction from Kyoto achieved by the developed world.




Fact : Chinese Coal Power emissions will peak this decade ... when will Australia's?

Fact : Climate change will effect China, like Australia, Hard and Early.

Fact : China is doing more than Australia to capture the future revenue from the renewable energy sector




Fact : Liberal Neo Cons are using China as a smokescreen to hide behind.

Neo Cons are in a tiny minority in that they don't want progress in the Australian economy, that neo cons want to inflict destructive influences on every Australian's future super payout, that neo cons want food costs to spiral out of control. Liberal Neo Cons are the closest we have in this country to eco terrorists.

Lets hope the majority small l Liberals take back their party from the backward looking neo cons Liberals ASAP.
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Reply #14 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 11:58am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7th, 2010 at 11:33am:
Fact -

Chinese emissions increases were FIVE TIMES the combined reduction from Kyoto achieved by the developed world.






If every Australia and American DECREASED their emissions by 75% - they would match the emissions produced by each Chinese

And if every Australia and American DECREASED their emissions by 95% - they would match the emissions produced by each Indian




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