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Reply #721 - Jan 10^th, 2011 at 10:43am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 9^th, 2011 at 10:05pm:

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The Victorian Opposition says that's not good enough.

It wants a permanent anti-corruption commissioner in Victoria, or

at very least, a judicial inquiry into Carl Williams' death.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2010/s2879255.htm

Or perhaps he was just "misunderstood" by the media - AGAIN ?

Dont know, lets find out

The Victorian opposition spokesman for corrections, Andrew McIntosh, said it was unacceptable for the investigation into the high-profile killing to have stalled.

"It is in the public interest that all investigations into the murder of Carl Williams proceed quickly and without the stalling and secrecy that has marked these investigations to date.

"It will be four months tomorrow since Carl Williams was killed in the highest-security division of Victoria's highest-security prison," he said. "Victorians deserve to know how this could have happened and who was involved in his (alleged) murder."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/probe-into-death-of-gangland-killer-carl-williams-yet-to-answer-questions/story-e6frg6nf-1225907030174

The announcement comes as Premier John Brumby described the idea of a Royal Commission into Williams' death as "inappropriate" for a "serial killer", and Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu said a judicial inquiry may be warranted
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-reports/prison-officers-took-25-minutes-to-discover-carl-williams-dying-in-barwon/story-fn5ev9xr-1225856142396

I dont see any promise there Buzz.

I dont see anything that says "if we are in government we will have an inquiry."

Where did he say if in power they will do it?

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Reply #722 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 7:13am

Victorian trains 'pretty safe', police chief says

January 11, 2011

Victoria's train system is safe, says police chief Simon Overland,

as his force prepares to roll out hundreds of armed guards to railway stations around the state.

Mr Overland says he is "very grateful" for the 900 armed Protective Service Officers (PSOs) and 1,700 new police over four years promised by the new coalition government ahead of last year's state election.

But he said the force has not yet worked out how to train or deploy the PSOs.

Mr Overland said statistics showed safety issues were

more perception than reality.

"The reality is that by world standards it's safe. By Australian standards, it's safe. It is a pretty safe system," he said.

"There are problems on it, but in a city of three-and-a-half to four million people, there are going to be things that happen on the trains in particular, inevitably.

The sight of young people misbehaving on a train, rather than committing an actual crime, makes people feel unsafe, Mr Overland said.

Youth misbehaviour was an issue, he said.

"It's about the

reality of the crime,

absolutely, but it's also about standards of behaviour. We've got to find a way of dealing with that."

Mr Overland said the force was "doing an enormous amount of work and thinking" about how the PSO plan would work.

The PSOs will be trained to the same level of proficiency as police on the use of force and weapons, he said.

But he said it was

not yet clear how they would be trained, deployed and controlled

by the police force.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/victorian-trains-pretty-safe-police-chief-says...

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #723 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 7:25am

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I dont see any promise there Buzz.

I dont see anything that says "if we are in government we will have an inquiry."

Where did he say if in power they will do it?

No ...
He DIDN'T place one hand on his heart - and the other one on a Bible - and state ...

"If elected Premier of Victoria i promise to hold a judicial inquiry into Carl Williams' death - as I called for as a minimum measure by the previous government"

But would Victorians be presumtuous in EXPECTING one, given his pre-election stance ?

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Reply #724 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 7:29am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 7:25am:

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I dont see any promise there Buzz.

I dont see anything that says "if we are in government we will have an inquiry."

Where did he say if in power they will do it?

No ...
He DIDN'T place one hand on his heart - and the other one on a Bible - and state ...

"If elected Premier of Victoria i promise to hold a judicial inquiry into Carl Williams' death - as I called for as a minimum measure by the previous government"

But would Victorians be presumtuous in EXPECTING one, given his pre-election stance ?

He never said there should be, he say MAY BE WARRANTED.

There was no demand, no promise.

Next topic.
All without the need for larger colored font. You should try making you point without with facts instead.

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Reply #725 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 7:38am

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The Victorian Opposition says that's not good enough.

It wants a permanent anti-corruption commissioner in Victoria, or

at very least, a judicial inquiry into Carl Williams' death.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2010/s2879255.htm

That's enough for ME - and most OTHER Victorians, I'd imagine
Or is it a case of

"we think you should, but we never would"

?

A la Tony Abbott on Japanese whaling and the International Courts ?

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Reply #727 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 7:51am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 7:38am:

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The Victorian Opposition says that's not good enough.

It wants a permanent anti-corruption commissioner in Victoria, or

at very least, a judicial inquiry into Carl Williams' death.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2010/s2879255.htm

That's enough for ME - and most OTHER Victorians, I'd imagine
Or is it a case of

"we think you should, but we never would"

?

A la Tony Abbott on Japanese whaling and the International Courts ?

The announcement comes as Premier John Brumby described the idea of a Royal Commission into Williams' death as "inappropriate" for a "serial killer", and Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu said a judicial inquiry may be warranted
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-reports/prison-officers-took-25-minutes-to-discover-carl-williams-dying-in-barwon/story-fn5ev9xr-1225856142396

Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu renewed his calls for an independent anti- corruption commission, saying Williams's death raised questions.

"I do have reservations, certainly about Corrections Victoria investigating itself," he said.
http://www.examiner.com.au/news/local/news/crime-and-law/brumby-accused-of-murder-downplay/1809653.aspx?storypage=2

His comments come after Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu said a judicial inquiry may be required as Corrections Victoria could not be trusted to investigate the events surrounding Williams' brutal death,

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/carl-wanted-to-remarry-me-for-more-babies-says-roberta-williams/story-e6frfkvr-1225856164570#ixzz1AflJAmsw

Mr Baillieu said it was also unclear why the Office of Police Integrity (OPI) had decided to oversee the police murder investigation and that the OPI itself was under government review.

‘‘So I think Victorians are entitled to be concerned and confused about what’s gone on here and if it proves necessary then at least a judicial inquiry will be required,’’ he said today.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/williams-thought-he-was-safe-says-lawyer-20100421-st0i.html

And thats what Ive read.

Has it proved necessary yet Buzz. The last quote is his exact words?

He never said he would conduct one, he said AND i QUOTE "if it proves necessary then at least a judicial inquiry will be required".

So once again, Buzz gets it wrong. This must be really annoying you that the mud just is not sticking hey Buzz.

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Reply #728 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 8:05am

I am sure most of the old yahoo people here will remember the rant from buzz re school computers when some posters said Dudd 'promised' a laptop for every student. Buzz went right off saying 'show me where he promised a laptop for every student.

Buzz seems to have developed dementia early in life and returned to his childhood passion of coloured pencils.. Something to do with missing a woman's touch perhaps.

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Reply #729 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 8:09am

whatsforme wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 8:05am:

I am sure most of the old yahoo people here will remember the rant from buzz re school computers when some posters said Dudd 'promised' a laptop for every student. Buzz went right off saying 'show me where he promised a laptop for every student.

Buzz seems to have developed dementia early in life and returned to his childhood passion of coloured pencils.. Something to do with missing a woman's touch perhaps.

I do remember that quite well. Buzz is doing the same thing he took others to take for, however he doesnt seem to be taking it rather well at the moment.

He must be sick of getting it wrong by now. His assumptions are being proved wrong left, right and centre.

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Reply #730 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 8:51am

whatsforme wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 8:05am:

I am sure most of the old yahoo people here will remember the rant from buzz re school computers when some posters said Dudd 'promised' a laptop for every student. Buzz went right off saying 'show me where he promised a laptop for every student.

And he never DID

The "laptop" example was referencing a separate policy from the computers in schools program
At a press conference Rudd was holding a laptop up as an example of a range of products parents would be able to claim rebates on as part of their children's education

It was, also, left to the schools and STATE education departments as to the modeling of the 'computers for schools' set-up - though federally funded

But thats

OLD NEWS

Premier John Brumby this week said, "What occurred in the prison was obviously unacceptable, but the person concerned was a serial killer; I think it would be quite unnecessary and an inappropriate use of taxpayers' money to have a royal commission." Royal commissions should be reserved for "the most extraordinary circumstances", he added

But others have said that if Williams's death was not a simple jailhouse spat but rather a more sinister attack on the criminal justice system, then the very fact that it was perpetrated from within the prison system marks this crime as extraordinary.

State Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu has backed Stary's calls for an independent investigation into the drug baron's murder: "It's one thing to not care about Carl Williams, but it's another thing entirely to not care about the integrity of the justice system." Baillieu says. "This is a matter about the integrity of the justice system in this state, and that should be pre-eminent."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/motive-uncertain-in-prison-murder/...

Bailleu backs down on Williams inquest
Thursday, December 9, 2010

Victorian Premier Ted Baillieu is re-considering a an election promise to set up an investigation into the death of crime boss Carl Williams.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/12/09/3089604.htm

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Reply #731 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 9:11am

You better give up now buzz as you are about to be trampled into the mud.

Must be sad being an old labor has been seeing your beloved Victoria becoming Liberal along with WA and soon NSW and not to forget a labor Prime Minister prostituting herself with obscene deals to hang on to the job. QLD is next buzz.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n Reply #732 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 9:22am Yet Buzz still cannot answer why Labor have let down an entire demographic of working class people like my family. When they work out why - then they may regain power? As it is, they face a hammering across a series of upcoming elections.
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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #733 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 9:43am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 7:42am:

Does anyone still believe Buzz looks at things in an unbiased, honest manner??

This is beyond ridiculous.

Does anyone still believe Andre is "working class"

('Papa' was a commercial airline pilot - 'Mummy' was old money from the Transvaal)

whilst claiming to earn THREE times the average Australian salary - and in the top 5% of annual incomes ?

(apparently he had poor ancestors)

Does anyone believe he would ever vote British Labour or ALP ?

He calls himself a "swinging voter" because he once voted for an independent in a council election

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Reply #734 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 9:46am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 9:43am:

He calls himself a "swinging voter" because he once voted for an independent in a council election

Nope. Wrong again.
That would be a one-off protest vote.

A swinging voter votes for different parties over a period of time.

I have voted 45% of the time for a party other than the Conservatives or Liberal party.

Yep, almost HALF THE TIME.

How about you? Nailed on Labor right???? Grin

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