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Reply #616 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:35am

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 8^th, 2010 at 10:48pm:

AND ANOTHER

Baillieu accused on wages pledge Paul Austin
December 8, 2010

TED Baillieu has been accused of reneging on a key election promise after appearing to back away from a commitment to make Victorian teachers the best paid in Australia.

In comments that risk provoking the education unions, the new Premier yesterday stepped back from his repeated claims while in opposition that Victoria's teachers should be the nation's best paid.

The Labor opposition last night seized on the change in rhetoric, saying it was clear, less than a week after he was sworn in, that Mr Baillieu could not be trusted to keep his promises.

Asked yesterday if he was able as Premier to tell Victorian teachers they would become the highest paid in Australia, Mr Baillieu said: ''The commitment we made was to pursue the best interests of teachers, and I said during the campaign that we would not pre-empt an EBA [enterprise bargaining agreement].''

During last month's campaign, Mr Baillieu told The Age: ''I don't want to pre-empt the EBA negotiations, but I would see no reason, in principle, why Victorian teachers shouldn't be the best paid in the country.''

On Monday, after the first meeting of the Baillieu cabinet, the new Minister for the Teaching Profession, Peter Hall, said: ''The Premier has made it very clear that he sees no reasons why Victorian teachers cannot be the highest-paid teachers … He has made that statement very clear, categoric in the lead-up to the election. That commitment stands.''

But under media questioning yesterday, Mr Baillieu said: ''Our intention is to ensure that teachers in Victoria - as all public servants - are paid reasonably, fairly and within a responsible budgetary framework.''

He said talk of Victoria's teachers becoming the highest paid in the country was ''reflecting a commentary that we had made in the past''

http://www.theage.com.au/national/education/baillieu-accused-on-wages-pledge-201...

And another Buzz lie and spin.

Mr Baillieu told The Age: ''I don't want to pre-empt the EBA negotiations, but I would see no reason, in principle, why Victorian teachers shouldn't be the best paid in the country.''

So by repeating his claims that he didnt want to pre-empt the EBA was a promise break how, since it was part of the inital one?

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Reply #617 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:38am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:34am:

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One incident is one to many if it can be prevented.

Try telling the family of a boy who died of head injuries "oh, but the numbers per million have decreased" and see how much they care for your stastic.

And that's the SAME line of emotive, cheap-shot the Opposition "tugged the heart-strings" on over home insulation

If the number of insulation installations

increases by 1500%

- and

home fires increase by 20%

- your standard has

IMPROVED

I dont give two craps about the Federal matter Buzz.

We have a state matter, where 33 in every million passangers are attacked. If this new policy can cut that by any figure I'll take it, because the pain and sufferring of those 33 per million will continue long after the physical wounds heal.

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Reply #618 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:43am

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Claims like Ted putting 900 Police Officers on platforms, which is also BS. They arent officers at all, they are basically security officers employed by Victoria Police with some extra powers, who do an 8 week course.

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In his first media conference since becoming Premier-elect, Mr Baillieu also pledged to quickly implement his reform agenda, including:

■ Deploying armed police on railway stations at night, despite concerns from the head of Metro, Andrew Lezala, that this could result in innocent passengers being shot.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/state-election-2010/baillieu-hedges-on-promise...

A change of heart ?

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Reply #619 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:52am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:43am:

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Claims like Ted putting 900 Police Officers on platforms, which is also BS. They arent officers at all, they are basically security officers employed by Victoria Police with some extra powers, who do an 8 week course.

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In his first media conference since becoming Premier-elect, Mr Baillieu also pledged to quickly implement his reform agenda, including:

■ Deploying armed police on railway stations at night, despite concerns from the head of Metro, Andrew Lezala, that this could result in innocent passengers being shot.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/state-election-2010/baillieu-hedges-on-promise...

A change of heart ?

Protective Services Officers are armed.

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14243 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n Reply #620 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 11:01am Quote: Protective Services Officers are armed. Even MORE concerning As police officers aren't known for their large pay packets - I'd rather one of THEM, than "Biff", the former doorman from King Street, who now carries a fire-arm
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n Reply #621 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:19pm John S wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:16am: You were an Australian Citizen so you ran a scam driving on a EU licence. Citizenship and drivers licence are completely exclusive of each other you retard.
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Reply #622 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 1:00pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:19pm:

John S wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:16am:

You were an Australian Citizen so you ran a scam driving on a EU licence.

Citizenship and drivers licence are completely exclusive of each other you retard.

Listen dickhead you are an Australian Residence so you use an Australia licence.

I bet you haven't even got a American licence.

Start paying your way and stop all these scams that you run

So can't you answer my other question andrei?

How many Australia laws do you or your family break while you are in Australia and you think you get away with?

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Reply #623 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 1:19pm

From an earlier post, - but buzz seems to think he knows better than the Police Association of the Chief Commissioner

Police Association said it was good news for train travellers, and the Public Transport Users Association said it would go a long way to allaying people's fears about travelling at night.Under the plan, announced by Coalition leader Ted Baillieu at yesterday's Liberal state council meeting, 940 Victoria Police ''protective services officers'' would be employed specifically to patrol train stations at night.

They would be armed and have powers of arrest, and would cover every metropolitan Melbourne station and all stations in Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo and Traralgon.

''We'll turn stations from places of fear into places of safety,'' Mr Baillieu said.

''We want anyone - a young girl, an elderly woman - travelling home on the train at night to do so with confidence and not with fear.''

Exactly how the protective services officers were deployed would be a matter for the chief police commissioner, but Mr Baillieu said there would be enough for two officers on every station from 6pm until after the last train has left, every night of the week.

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Reply #624 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 1:43pm

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From an earlier post, - but buzz seems to think he knows better than the Police Association of the Chief Commissioner

Not quite sure where you're trying to go with that ?

Baillieu promised

2 armed police officers - to EVERY railway station - from 6pm till the last train

When questioned on detail, by a reporter, he admitted the distribution arrangements were up to the Commissioner

He was in NO position to promise ANY station would be "covered" - unless the Commissioner was in agreement

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Reply #625 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 2:36pm

VICTORIAN premier elect Ted Baillieu's promise to implement all of the Bushfire Royal Commission's recommendations has raised

questions about how the most costly and controversial proposals would be carried out.

The outgoing Brumby government had rejected the recommendations to put power lines underground and buyout properties in the riskiest bushfire areas.

But Mr Baillieu has always maintained a coalition government would tackle both these proposals, a position he reiterated today

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/baillieus-costly-bushfire-promise/story-e6f...

The royal commission had urged the government to start a voluntary buyback of properties in areas with high bushfire risk.

But Mr Brumby said: “If you applied this in some areas it would actually increase fire risk.”

One house could be left surrounded by vacant land, which would increase fire risk for that remaining property, he said.

Such a plan could then impact on property values and insurance costs for those who remain.

The government partly used a potential huge cost of buybacks as justification to dump the plan, estimating that depopulating the 52 most at-risk towns would cost

beyond $20 BILLION, with an annual maintenance bill of $40 million

.

Estimates on a buyback of the

2000 homes lost on Black Saturday tip past $700 million alone.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/john-brumby-to-consider-all-but-one-...

Over HALF the cost of an entire National Broadband Network

- a bill to be "footed" by one state alone ?

How is THIS to be funded ?

Or is this one that Victorians, their children and their grandchildren will be paying off for

"generations to come"

?

And to what end ?

The death of country communities - and many thousands more squeezed into already bursting cities

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Reply #626 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 3:18pm

John S wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 1:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:19pm:

John S wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:16am:

You were an Australian Citizen so you ran a scam driving on a EU licence.

Citizenship and drivers licence are completely exclusive of each other you retard.

Listen dickhead you are an Australian Residence so you use an Australia licence.

I bet you haven't even got a American licence.

1) If you understood about moving countries you would know that when you arrive in a country you can drive perfectly legally for a set period of 12 months on your former country's licence.
If you then have a specific leave date following this period within the next 18 months, you can continue to drive on your overseas licence legally.

2) No I do not hold a California licence as a result of being here less than 12 months.

Get out a bit more and you may understand how things work outside your own backwater.

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Reply #627 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 3:19pm

Buzz to be quite honest, despite your protests, you are biased.

Would this thread exist if the Liberal Party had not won both houses in Victoria and delivered us (thankfully) from another Brumby term.

At least be honest, admit you are biased, and come clean about why you have such a disliking for the Coalition.....

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Reply #628 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 3:27pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 3:19pm:

Buzz to be quite honest, despite your protests, you are biased.

Would this thread exist if the Liberal Party had not won both houses in Victoria and delivered us (thankfully) from another Brumby term.

At least be honest, admit you are biased, and come clean about why you have such a disliking for the Coalition.....

C'mon buzz, you've been exposed by mr hicks, who has just returned from his efforts at the Vatican supporting the canonisation of M Thatcher and R Reagan.

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Reply #629 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 4:02pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 2:36pm:

VICTORIAN premier elect Ted Baillieu's promise to implement all of the Bushfire Royal Commission's recommendations has raised

questions about how the most costly and controversial proposals would be carried out.

The outgoing Brumby government had rejected the recommendations to put power lines underground and buyout properties in the riskiest bushfire areas.

But Mr Baillieu has always maintained a coalition government would tackle both these proposals, a position he reiterated today

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/baillieus-costly-bushfire-promise/story-e6f...

The royal commission had urged the government to start a voluntary buyback of properties in areas with high bushfire risk.

But Mr Brumby said: “If you applied this in some areas it would actually increase fire risk.”

One house could be left surrounded by vacant land, which would increase fire risk for that remaining property, he said.

Such a plan could then impact on property values and insurance costs for those who remain.

The government partly used a potential huge cost of buybacks as justification to dump the plan, estimating that depopulating the 52 most at-risk towns would cost

beyond $20 BILLION, with an annual maintenance bill of $40 million

.

Estimates on a buyback of the

2000 homes lost on Black Saturday tip past $700 million alone.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/john-brumby-to-consider-all-but-one-...

Over HALF the cost of an entire National Broadband Network

- a bill to be "footed" by one state alone ?

How is THIS to be funded ?

Or is this one that Victorians, their children and their grandchildren will be paying off for

"generations to come"

?

And to what end ?

The death of country communities - and many thousands more squeezed into already bursting cities

Perhaps Andrei can answer THAT one - and should a cost benefit analysis have been carried out ?

Or even a costing ?

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