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Reply #600 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:08am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 8:41am:

Verge wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 8:20am:

As part of the AFP's multi-faceted approach to fighting 21st century crime, Protective Service Officers protect Commonwealth interests in Australia and overseas, including counter terrorism first response at Australia's major airports. After 11 weeks live-in training in Canberra, work as a Protective Service Officer may involve:

•static point guarding
•visitor control
•alarm monitoring and response
•mobile patrols
•security consultancy services
•security training to government agencies
•counter terrorism first response at major Australian airports
•support for international peacekeeping forces.

SO ANOTHER BUZZ LIE. HE ISNT PUTTING POLICE OFFICERS ON THE PLATFORMS AT ALL

Baillieu pledges police at every station

Paul Austin
November 9, 2009

Under the plan, announced by Coalition leader Ted Baillieu at yesterday's Liberal state council meeting,

940 Victoria Police ''protective services officers''

would be employed

specifically to patrol train stations

at night.

They would be armed and have powers of arrest, and

would cover every metropolitan Melbourne station and all stations in Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo and Traralgon

.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/baillieu-pledges-police-at-every-station-20091...

And ... BTW

The

'F'

in

AFP

stands for

FEDERAL

- and has NOTHING to do with Baillieu's grandiose follies

A Baillieu Government will make Victoria safe again by putting Victoria Police Protective Services Officers at every metropolitan and major regional train station, all night, every night from 6pm until last train, 7 days a week. There will also be additional Victoria Police to patrol the train, tram and bus networks.

Recruits undergo eight weeks of training at the Victoria Police Academy, Glen Waverley, before being sworn-in as PSOs.

Sorry, when I googled Protective Service Officers, the first one was the AFP that have them, but its still the same.

We are not talking about 900 police officers as you have claimed, we are talking about 900 people who do the Vic Police secruity officers course.

Why are you whinging Buzz, its 900 jobs in creation.

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Reply #601 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:11am

Keep up the good work, buzz.

It's interesting to watch how sensitive the righties are when the same spotlight/blowtorch is applied to a coalition government, as they apply to any Labor govt.

I know nothing about the situation in victoria, and won't comment in any other way, except to say to verge and hicks - "why so sensitive, guys?"

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Reply #602 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:16am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:58am:

Services without paying anything in to run them.

Shock.

Free-loaders, we've got them everywhere.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2011 at 11:47am:

I had no issue whatsoever in avoiding three speeding fines in Victoria by claiming to be an overseas EU driver. It was a scam anyway.

If it were about accident prevention you would show where the cameras are so people would slow down.

You were an Australian Citizen so you ran a scam driving on a EU licence.

So looks like you found another way of not paying into the country.

How many times do you or your family break the laws of Australia?

You are the biggest freeloader on these boards Andrei you want everything but you don't want pay for anything

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Reply #603 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:16am

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It seems as though Buzz doesn't believe people should be able to travel safely on public transport - better to pollute and jam the roads with gas guzzling vehicles to his way of thinking.

FIRSTLY, he takes his motor-bike on the 9km trip "to the shops" when required - as there is no public transport

SECONDLY, he takes the state run and owned V-Line fast train service to Melbourne when he needs to
Incidently - a FAR cleaner, quieter and user friendly service than it's PRIVATISED city cousin - the Connex/Metro suburban train network

And there's those "perceived" rises in crime statistics - fed by the tabloids ...

(and exploited, to the hilt, by the Coalition)

Vic trains are safer but public unsure Melissa Jenkins
June 9, 2010

Melbourne's trains are safer than they were two years ago but the public doesn't believe it, an independent report has found.

Acting auditor-general Peter Frost on Wednesday tabled a report to state parliament into safety on the metropolitan train system.

"VicPol (Victoria Police) and the department (of transport) have been successful in reducing crime on Melbourne's train system since 2007/08," Dr Frost found.

Advertisement: Story continues below "In contrast, the approach to improve passengers' perceptions of safety has not been effective and requires focused attention."

Dr Frost said approaches for managing perceptions of safety were ineffective, relying mostly on reducing crime to improve how passengers felt.

"This has not improved passengers' perceptions of safety," he said.

During 2008/09, there were 33 offences for each million passengers

, compared with

45 per million passengers in 2005/06

, Dr Frost found.

There were 7800 reported crimes on Melbourne's trains in 2007/08 and this figure fell by nine per cent, to 7055, in 2008/09

.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/vic-trains-are-safer-but-public-un...

The number of INCIDENTS has increased as customer traffic increased
The RATE of "incident per traveller" has DROPPED

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Reply #604 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:17am

Im not sensitive, Im just making it my point to blow holes in Buzz's lies.

Lies like his wind farm backflip claims which were BS.

Claims like Ted putting 900 Police Officers on platforms, which is also BS. They arent officers at all, they are basically security officers employed by Victoria Police with some extra powers, who do an 8 week course.

Like his claim they were dumping other major policies when in fact they hadnt.

Buzz is using deceptive editing and highlighting, and thats what is annoying me.

He is trying to rubbish people and they have been in the seat a month. Seriously.

How can he rubbish the police policy. He used one such depeption earlier on saying its a policy backflip because it was in the hands of the commissioner, while not focusing on Teds comments after which said there was enough to ensure it would happen.

I used to rate Buzz, until he showed his true colors in this thread.

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Reply #605 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:19am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:16am:

Quote:

It seems as though Buzz doesn't believe people should be able to travel safely on public transport - better to pollute and jam the roads with gas guzzling vehicles to his way of thinking.

FIRSTLY, he takes his motor-bike on the 9km trip "to the shops" when required - as there is no public transport

SECONDLY, he takes the state run and owned V-Line fast train service to Melbourne when he needs to
Incidently - a FAR cleaner, quieter and user friendly service than it's PRIVATISED city cousin - the Connex/Metro suburban train network

And there's those "perceived" rises in crime statistics - fed by the tabloids ...

(and exploited, to the hilt, by the Coalition)

Vic trains are safer but public unsure Melissa Jenkins
June 9, 2010

Melbourne's trains are safer than they were two years ago but the public doesn't believe it, an independent report has found.

Acting auditor-general Peter Frost on Wednesday tabled a report to state parliament into safety on the metropolitan train system.

"VicPol (Victoria Police) and the department (of transport) have been successful in reducing crime on Melbourne's train system since 2007/08," Dr Frost found.

Advertisement: Story continues below "In contrast, the approach to improve passengers' perceptions of safety has not been effective and requires focused attention."

Dr Frost said approaches for managing perceptions of safety were ineffective, relying mostly on reducing crime to improve how passengers felt.

"This has not improved passengers' perceptions of safety," he said.

During 2008/09, there were 33 offences for each million passengers

, compared with

45 per million passengers in 2005/06

, Dr Frost found.

There were 7800 reported crimes on Melbourne's trains in 2007/08 and this figure fell by nine per cent, to 7055, in 2008/09

.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/vic-trains-are-safer-but-public-un...

The number of INCIDENTS has increased as customer traffic increased
The RATE of "incident per traveller" has DROPPED

One incident is one to many if it can be prevented.

Try telling the family of a boy who died of head injuries "oh, but the numbers per million have decreased" and see how much they care for your stastic.

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #606 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:25am

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We are not talking about 900 police officers as you have claimed, we are talking about 900 people who do the Vic Police secruity officers course.

Why are you whinging Buzz, its 900 jobs in creation.

They ARE a section of the Victorian Police Force - with lesser powers than a regular police officer
They are PAID by the State Government - as are regular police officers

It's 900 jobs in the public service

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Reply #607 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:25am

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 5^th, 2010 at 11:57am:

bwood1946 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2010 at 10:48am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 5^th, 2010 at 10:17am:

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That dead right for once buzzard it will take 8 months training FFS

They're ALREADY "trained"
They're called Victorian Police officers

Or is he planning a mass recruitment to the force, to have these new recruits to sit it out (literally) at Melbourne metro's 216 rail stations ?

It WON'T happen !

And you know this how Grin

Because the Victorian Police Force has been under-manned on the streets for DECADES

Any government that can pull the dollars out of thin air to increase numbers by an odd 500 is NOT going to leave them sitting around in railway buildings reading magazines - waiting for a monthly altercation

And here is Buzz's inital lie on this matter.

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Reply #608 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:25am

Verge wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:17am:

Im not sensitive, Im just making it my point to blow holes in Buzz's lies.

Lies like his wind farm backflip claims which were BS.

Claims like Ted putting 900 Police Officers on platforms, which is also BS. They arent officers at all, they are basically security officers employed by Victoria Police with some extra powers, who do an 8 week course.

Like his claim they were dumping other major policies when in fact they hadnt.

Buzz is using deceptive editing and highlighting, and thats what is annoying me.

He is trying to rubbish people and they have been in the seat a month. Seriously.

How can he rubbish the police policy. He used one such depeption earlier on saying its a policy backflip because it was in the hands of the commissioner, while not focusing on Teds comments after which said there was enough to ensure it would happen.

I used to rate Buzz, until he showed his true colors in this thread.

Oversensitive, verge.

I think it is perfectly valid to contrast election promises with the delivered reality. We all know they are going to do it, but when someone says they are going to do something, and then one month later reverse that commitment, well, we know what we've got.

You act like you can give it but can't take it.

And hicks' ridiculous bleat was just laughable.

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Reply #609 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:26am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:25am:

Quote:

We are not talking about 900 police officers as you have claimed, we are talking about 900 people who do the Vic Police secruity officers course.

Why are you whinging Buzz, its 900 jobs in creation.

They ARE a section of the Victorian Police Force - with lesser powers than a regular police officer
They are PAID by the State Government - as are regular police officers

It's 900 jobs in the public service

They are not police officers as you claimed. The is no evidence to support you claims that the Protective Services Officers is undermanned already.

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Reply #610 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:28am

Please delete wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:25am:

Verge wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:17am:

Im not sensitive, Im just making it my point to blow holes in Buzz's lies.

Lies like his wind farm backflip claims which were BS.

Claims like Ted putting 900 Police Officers on platforms, which is also BS. They arent officers at all, they are basically security officers employed by Victoria Police with some extra powers, who do an 8 week course.

Like his claim they were dumping other major policies when in fact they hadnt.

Buzz is using deceptive editing and highlighting, and thats what is annoying me.

He is trying to rubbish people and they have been in the seat a month. Seriously.

How can he rubbish the police policy. He used one such depeption earlier on saying its a policy backflip because it was in the hands of the commissioner, while not focusing on Teds comments after which said there was enough to ensure it would happen.

I used to rate Buzz, until he showed his true colors in this thread.

Oversensitive, verge.

I think it is perfectly valid to contrast election promises with the delivered reality. We all know they are going to do it, but when someone says they are going to do something, and then one month later reverse that commitment, well, we know what we've got.

You act like you can give it but can't take it.

And hicks' ridiculous bleat was just laughable.

What Im doing is supply evidence to support the claims they are not policy backflips at all, rather selective cutting and pasting by Buzz who is deliberatley misleading people within the thread.

Its not a policy backflip when you dont apply legisation retrospectivley.

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Reply #612 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:30am

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 5^th, 2010 at 9:53pm:

And the NEXT back-flip is ...

THE Baillieu government has conceded its controversial wind farm policy is powerless to control the biggest expansion of wind energy in Victoria's history, with 1322 new turbines planned across 28 approved developments.

Before the Brumby government lost office, embattled planning minister Justin Madden approved about $5 billion of wind energy projects. If all farms go ahead, Victoria will have eight times its current wind generation capacity, from 427 megawatts to 3619 megawatts, equivalent to two Latrobe Valley brown-coal power stations.

Under the Coalition's wind farm election policy, welcomed by anti-wind farm campaigners, residents can veto a development if turbines are less than two kilometres from their home. Planning authority was also given back to local councils.

When the policy was released in June, the wind industry said it would kill off investment.

But in a concession likely to disappoint local anti-wind farm groups, new Planning Minister Matthew Guy told The Sunday Age that although several of the approved farms were contentious, the Coalition would not retrospectively apply its policies to the 28 wind farms already holding planning approvals. Such a move, he said, would create serious risks for business in Victoria.

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/energy-smart/ill-wind-for-antiturbine-push-...

The better slow down
They'll run out of back-flip materiel before the new parliament sits

And another of Buzz's lies, as he never promised to apply the legislation retrospectivley, something which Buzz had to finally conceed.

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Reply #614 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 10:34am

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One incident is one to many if it can be prevented.

Try telling the family of a boy who died of head injuries "oh, but the numbers per million have decreased" and see how much they care for your stastic.

And that's the SAME line of emotive, cheap-shot the Opposition "tugged the heart-strings" on over home insulation

If the number of insulation installations

increases by 1500%

- and

home fires increase by 20%

- your standard has

IMPROVED

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