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Nov 29th, 2010 at 4:40pm
 
Australia 'rock solid' in WikiLeaks cables


Australia is described as a "rock solid" but uninfluential US ally in secret US government documents made public by the controversial whistle-blowing website, WikiLeaks.

A small number of the 250,000 cables have been released, leaving the US government in damage control and warning the release of the top-secret documents could endanger lives.

About 930 of the WikiLeaks documents were written by US officials in Australia, but it is not yet clear what information they contain and the WikiLeaks website was struggling under the massive amount of traffic.

Attorney-General Robert McClelland says he has established a taskforce to deal with any fallout from the new leaks, which he describes as of a "real concern" to the Government.

Mr McClelland says the Australian Federal Police is assessing if any Australian laws had been broken.

One confidential document from the US Embassy in Harare, seen by ABC News Online, describes Australia as a "rock solid" ally of the US.

The cable, with the subject line "The End is Nigh", was classified by Ambassador Christopher W Dell, who describes president Robert Mugabe as "more clever and more ruthless than any other politician in Zimbabwe".

"To give the devil his due, he is a brilliant tactitian [sic] and has long thrived on his ability to abruptly change the rules of the game, radicalise the political dynamic and force everyone else to react to his agenda," he wrote.

"The regime has become so used to calling the shots and dictating the pace that the merest stumble panics them. Many local observers have noted that Mugabe is panicked and desperate about hyperinflation at the moment, and hence he's making mistakes. Possibly fatal mistakes.

"We need to keep the pressure on in order to keep Mugabe off his game and on his back foot, relying on his own shortcomings to do him in."

Mr Dell goes on to describe the UK as "ham-strung by its colonial past and domestic politics" and says the EU is "divided between the hard north and its soft southern underbelly.

"Rock-solid partners like Australia don't pack enough punch to step out front and the United Nations is a non-player," he adds.

Wider probe needed

Defence has already established a taskforce after the previous two releases by WikiLeaks of information surrounding the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, but Mr McClelland says a "whole-of-government" investigation is needed.

"The documentation, in so far as suggested, could be related to issues broader than simply our Defence strategy," he said.

Mr McClelland has met with US ambassador Jeffrey Bleich, but has not been provided with copies of the cables thought to have been obtained by WikiLeaks.

He says he is waiting for advice from the US about what action should be taken against the Australian founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange.

"It's not customary to talk about law enforcement actions that would be taken, but certainly the US authorities are looking at law enforcement actions as the lead country and we're providing every assistance," Mr McClelland said.

Also among the leaked documents is an outline of what was going on behind the scenes at the 2007 APEC meeting in Sydney.

The previously classified secret documents outline discussions between the US and China about an arms shipment headed to Iran that was passing through Beijing on its way to the Middle East.

The document, classified secret, sends an order for "urgent action" on North Korea sending arms to Iran via Beijing.

"In September, during their meeting at the APEC summit in Sydney, Australia, President Bush discussed with Chinese President Hu [his] strong concerns relating to the ongoing trans-shipment via Beijing of key ballistic missile parts from North Korea to Iran's missile program," the cable reports.

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFSGE6AS03T20101129


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Reply #1 - Nov 29th, 2010 at 4:55pm
 
This is surprising to you? Do you think that the rest of the world thinks that we're a country of paramount geopolitical importance?

Is this revelation supposed to be offensive to us?
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Reply #2 - Nov 29th, 2010 at 4:57pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 4:55pm:
This is surprising to you? Do you think that the rest of the world thinks that we're a country of paramount geopolitical importance?




We are whatever we choose to be.

Shame some people are too scared of the shadows to stand up and be a Leading Nation.
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JC Denton wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 4:55pm:
This is surprising to you? Do you think that the rest of the world thinks that we're a country of paramount geopolitical importance?

Is this revelation supposed to be offensive to us?



This level of irrelevance should absolutely astound and confuse all greens.

Im mean their drive to shut down our carbon producing industries is not based on the fact we produce less than 1% of the worlds carbon, but based on the fact that if we do it so will china, india and the US.

Talk about delusions of importance.  Grin

Wake up Australia we are a small fish in a friggen huge ocean, we can't even bully / influence Fiji into behaving, let alone any of the world's major players.

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LOL true...

I know a lot of Americans who do, seriously, believe that kangaroos hop down George St in Sydney...
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Reply #5 - Nov 29th, 2010 at 5:07pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 5:05pm:
JC Denton wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 4:55pm:
This is surprising to you? Do you think that the rest of the world thinks that we're a country of paramount geopolitical importance?

Is this revelation supposed to be offensive to us?



This level of irrelevance should absolutely astound and confuse all greens.

Im mean their drive to shut down our carbon producing industries is not based on the fact we produce less than 1% of the worlds carbon, but based on the fact that if we do it so will china, india and the US.

Talk about delusions of importance.  Grin

Wake up Australia we are a small fish in a friggen huge ocean, we can't even bully / influence Fiji into behaving, let alone any of the world's major players.




The ALP couldn`t even evict a few deros from the Oceanic Viking.
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Reply #6 - Nov 29th, 2010 at 5:12pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 5:05pm:
JC Denton wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 4:55pm:
This is surprising to you? Do you think that the rest of the world thinks that we're a country of paramount geopolitical importance?

Is this revelation supposed to be offensive to us?



This level of irrelevance should absolutely astound and confuse all greens.

Im mean their drive to shut down our carbon producing industries is not based on the fact we produce less than 1% of the worlds carbon, but based on the fact that if we do it so will china, india and the US.

Talk about delusions of importance.  Grin

Wake up Australia we are a small fish in a friggen huge ocean, we can't even bully / influence Fiji into behaving, let alone any of the world's major players.




And here is the thinking of an old and tired man .. a man out of touch with the new millennium.

Too busy sucking on grapefruit to remember to breath.
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____ wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 5:12pm:
And here is the thinking of an old and tired man .. a man out of touch with the new millennium.

Too busy sucking on grapefruit to remember to breath.



Middle aged and well rested, actually

Doesn't matter what century we're in, I'm still correct in my statement.

Name one thing of any importance were we have directly and independantly influenced the actions or beliefs of a major world power.  Grin

This is typical of the greens, thinking they are relevant to people outside of their immediate group of sycophants and deluded followers.

Newsflash blossom, you are not, the greens are definitely not and Australia is not. You and the greens are not relevant because you are both morons and Australia because because it is small in population and influence.

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Reply #8 - Nov 29th, 2010 at 5:36pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 4:57pm:
JC Denton wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 4:55pm:
This is surprising to you? Do you think that the rest of the world thinks that we're a country of paramount geopolitical importance?




We are whatever we choose to be.

Shame some people are too scared of the shadows to stand up and be a Leading Nation.


Yes Tony Robbins, I am sure we can become a political hyperpower with the ability to project power across the world just by willing it or saying so. As if global power isn't hugely dependent upon economic, military and geographic factors that are largely out of our short or even very long term control.
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Reply #9 - Nov 29th, 2010 at 5:41pm
 
America do what is best for America....

There are few nudities so objectionable as the naked truth.
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Julian Assange will be hounded by the Yanks for these leaks......yet the guilty will go unpunished......go figure!!!

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 5:07pm:
LOL true...

I know a lot of Americans who do, seriously, believe that kangaroos hop down George St in Sydney...




Sydney?

Wasn't it Brisbane?


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____ wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 4:57pm:
JC Denton wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 4:55pm:
This is surprising to you? Do you think that the rest of the world thinks that we're a country of paramount geopolitical importance?




We are whatever we choose to be.

Shame some people are too scared of the shadows to stand up and be a Leading Nation.



Leading nation - such as?

What is your idea of leading nation? Cuba? Zimbabwe? Lybia? Iran?
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aussiefree2ride wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 5:07pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 5:05pm:
JC Denton wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 4:55pm:
This is surprising to you? Do you think that the rest of the world thinks that we're a country of paramount geopolitical importance?

Is this revelation supposed to be offensive to us?



This level of irrelevance should absolutely astound and confuse all greens.

Im mean their drive to shut down our carbon producing industries is not based on the fact we produce less than 1% of the worlds carbon, but based on the fact that if we do it so will china, india and the US.

Talk about delusions of importance.  Grin

Wake up Australia we are a small fish in a friggen huge ocean, we can't even bully / influence Fiji into behaving, let alone any of the world's major players.




The ALP couldn`t even evict a few deros from the Oceanic Viking.


LOL

Not sure about that, Australia has two secret weapons.
1) we could send them a photo of Julia,
2) we could send them Kevin.
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No Aussie safe haven for WikiLeaks founder

As the WikiLeaks website began to release 251,287 confidential US State Department documents today, Canberra refused to offer safe haven to the site's Australian founder Julian Assange.


http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/no-aussie-safe-haven-for-wikileaks-founder-20101129-18dme.html


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____ wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 6:39pm:
No Aussie safe haven for WikiLeaks founder

As the WikiLeaks website began to release 251,287 confidential US State Department documents today, Canberra refused to offer safe haven to the site's Australian founder Julian Assange.


http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/no-aussie-safe-haven-for-wikileaks-founder-20101129-18dme.html





I heard on the abc news, haven't seen anything in writing yet, that Australia is looking for a way to prosecute Assange too. We will follow our great and corrupt leader for all eternity.

If the yanks want him, which they do, he won't be safe here. We have no problem handing our own over for America's mistreatment, as we have seen before.
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