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Reply #810 - Jul 28th, 2012 at 12:25pm
 
China's population and economy are a double whammy for the world


China's 'one-child' policy has slowed population growth and brought prosperity — but it couldn't avert massive damage to the environment.

For more than three decades, the most populous nation on Earth has been running a massive social experiment, using elaborate incentives and penalties to limit family size.

The aim was to banish hunger and raise living standards, and by many measures the results have been impressive. By reducing the number of dependents per household and freeing more women to enter the workforce, population control efforts have helped lift hundreds of millions of people out of poverty and contributed to China's spectacular economic growth.

Prosperity has exacted a steep environmental toll, however.

The colossal industrial expansion of recent decades has depleted natural resources and polluted the skies and streams. China now consumes half the world's coal supply. It leads all nations in emissions of carbon dioxide, the main contributor to global warming. Pollutants from its smokestacks cause acid rain in Seoul and Tokyo.

China's experience shows how rising consumption and even modest rates of population growth magnify each other's impact on the planet.

The country's population of 1.3 billion is increasing, even with the controls on family size. What is driving the growth is that hundreds of millions of Chinese are still in their reproductive years. On such a huge base, even one or two children per couple adds large numbers — an effect known as population momentum.

Moreover, the Chinese are living better overall: consuming more food, energy and goods than ever. One-fourth of the population — the equivalent of everyone in the United States — has entered the middle class.

The U.S. consumes much more per person. But with a population four times larger, China has a greater collective appetite — and a greater ecological impact — than any other country.

The compounding forces of economic and population growth are a source of increasing concern to scientists. An international team of 1,300 researchers organized by the United Nations concluded that evidence points to "abrupt and potentially irreversible changes" in ecosystems in the next few decades, including mass extinctions and rapid climate change.

Within China, signs of environmental damage are pervasive: massive fish kills, lung-searing smog, denuded landscapes. They have stirred popular discontent and the beginnings of greater official concern for curbing pollution and preserving natural resources.

How this drama plays out is not merely China's concern. Because of the nation's sheer size, the rest of the world has an enormous stake in the outcome.

To drive the birthrate down further, Deng Xiaoping imposed the "one-child policy" in 1979. It led to mandated abortions and other abuses by zealous enforcers.

Today, there are many exceptions to the rule: Rural couples and ethnic minorities, for instance, can have two or more children.

Yu, the family planning official, acknowledged that the policy has caused hardships.

But he said such forbearance benefited the country, creating a bulge of working-age people with fewer dependents. The resulting burst in productivity is known as the demographic dividend.

Those who work for the vast family planning bureaucracy take great pride in what they see as their contributions to China's prosperity.

In discussing the country's population policies, the giddy bureaucrats turned again and again to the economic rewards. "We want to get rich before we get old," was a common refrain.

In Shanghai, whose population of 23 million exceeds that of Australia, high-rises sprawl in all directions until their silhouettes slip from view, obscured by brown haze.

China, by varying estimates, has more than 100 cities with 1 million or more residents, compared with 9 in the United States. The number of million-plus cities will reach 221 within two decades, according to the McKinsey Global Institute, an economics research firm. More than a dozen will have populations of 25 million or more each.

All this development is being stitched together with high-speed rail and new highways to prepare for 600 million vehicles expected on the roads by 2050.

The U.S. automotive fleet, by far the largest in the world, is less than half that size.


China isn't hustling just to satisfy the demand from the United States and other countries for cheap merchandise. Increasingly, it is bent on meeting the needs of its own people.

More and more, it is being forced to confront the environmental consequences.

In nearby Datong, a thick gray-brown haze clings to the city like a dark mist, obscuring the tops of high-rises.

A half-day's drive south is the ancient city of Linfen, identified by the World Bank six years ago as the most polluted city on Earth.

The city, once known for its fruit and flowers, is now infamous for respiratory illnesses and the shroud of smog that regularly blots out the sun. When the sun does manage to poke through, it appears as a burnt orange fireball, reminiscent of Southern California's eerie skies during raging wildfires.

China likes to consider itself the world's factory. Yet it has also become the world's smokestack.

Tendrils of soot extend across the Pacific. On some days, almost 25% of the pollutants in the air above Los Angeles originated in China, the Environmental Protection Agency has found.

After the World Bank's rebuke, officials in Shanxi province closed some of the illegal coal mines in Linfen and its dirtiest coal-fired furnaces.

Such steps reduce pollution at the local level. But they do nothing to curb China's consumption of coal or the resulting carbon dioxide emissions.

China relies on coal to meet about two-thirds of its energy needs. Despite major investments in solar, wind and nuclear energy, coal consumption continues to climb.

Although China has the third-largest reserves in the world, it is reaching around the world for more. It overtook Japan this year as the world's largest coal importer, drawing mostly from Indonesia and Australia. Its imports are expected to double by 2015.

Those trends are worrisome to climate scientists, who say that in order to avoid a potentially catastrophic rise in global temperatures, worldwide carbon dioxide emissions must be cut in half by 2050.

For that to happen, China's emissions would have to peak by 2020, said Nobuo Tanaka, former director of the Paris-based International Energy Agency, which advises governments on energy issues. But by China's own projections, its output will rise at least 50% from current levels before peaking around 2035.

It would be all but impossible for other nations to compensate for such an increase, Tanaka said.

Chinese leaders say that capping emissions would cripple industrial growth and urban development in a country that still has 100 million poor people.

The industrialized countries polluted their way to prosperity, their argument goes, so why should the Chinese be penalized?

China's leaders also have sought credit for their population control policies, which they say averted 400 million births and thus billions of tons of greenhouse gas emissions.

At the same time, they acknowledge that the one-child policy was never meant to be permanent. When it was started in 1979, officials promised to revisit the issue in 30 years. There is some internal pressure and even more international pressure to lift the restrictions.

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Dilemma's, the world is full of dilemma's!

China, India, the existing industrialised Western World all want the same things, but we can't all have, all that we want, because the world has not got the resources to supply what we all want, nor has the planet got the capacity to maintain the Climate necessary for humanity to continue to expand at the rate of the last 100 years!

Things are set to change, either by the free willed choices of humanity, by the accidents caused by humanity not making those choices or by the planet invoking its own remedies, because we avoided making the necessary choices!

At present, these necessary choices are not being made, because self interest is getting in the way and unless that is addressed quickly it will result in the interests of all being downgraded. That downgrading may well be substantial and the final outcome would be one where there are no winners? 

For all of those who want a continuation of the status quo, I say we can not, it is not possible.

We are already verging on the edges of the planets capacity to satisfy our Energy requirements, for a Global Population of some 7 Billion, most of whom are no where near being "middle class".

In fact, we are already at or very close to Peak Energy Production, particularly in the most widely used Energy formats, those being Crude Oil & Coal and there are no Energy replacements available, that would not result in a large net loss of Energy Production.

That said, the worlds two most Populace countries are now trying to bring more of their populations into the middle class and they will greatly increase the Global Energy Consumption.

In so doing, there will be great consequence, for human Economics, for the planets climate, for the quicker depletion of our planets capacity to keep up the Supply of Energy, even for our current 7 billion people, let alone any more. 

As I said, we have choices, we still have choices!

But, if we don't choose, then the choices will be made for us!!! 
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Reply #811 - Jul 28th, 2012 at 3:10pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 3:48pm:
Market Preview


So now it seems sentiment is starting to shift away from asking if the Federal Reserve will unleash additional stimulus to trying to pin down when.

But maybe the bigger question is what can investors reasonably expect more action from the Fed to accomplish? With the yield on the 10-year Treasury hovering right around historic lows, it's not like the central bank can do much to lessen the attractiveness of bonds and encourage investors to take more risk. They clearly don't want to go that route in a world where the U.S. economy is limping along, the future of the eurozone is in doubt and growth in China is slowing.

Paul Dales, chief U.S. economist at Capital Economic, weighed in on what the Fed does next in commentary released on Wednesday, putting the odds of QE3 arriving by the end of 2012 at 50/50. He doubts the Fed will take action at its policy meeting next week but acknowledges the trend in the data is worrisome to point in that direction.

"It is pretty clear that the economic recovery looks more fragile now than it did last month," he said. "Since the previous FOMC meeting it has emerged that non-farm payroll employment rose by less than 100,000 for the third month in a row in June. And the drop in the ISM manufacturing index to below the symbolic 50 mark in the same month points to a slowdown in annualised GDP growth to between 1.0% and 1.5%." 

While QE3 may not be a done deal, Dales said he's becoming "more convinced" that the Fed could get creative, "possibly launching its own version of the Bank of England's funding for lending scheme" and he thinks this could have a bigger impact on the economy than another round of bond buying.

"[G]iven that some households are still struggling to get credit, we doubt that QE3 would alter the economic outlook materially," he said. "The Fed appears to be coming round to this view. So even if doesn't launch QE3, it may well establish its own version of the Bank of England's funding for lending scheme in an attempt to boost the supply of credit."

The economic calendar includes weekly initial and continuing jobless claims at 8:30 a.m. ET; durable goods orders for June at 8:30 a.m. ET; and pending home sales for June at 10 a.m. ET.

The consensus expectation is for initial claims to come in at 381,000, down slightly from last week's 386,000 total, according to Briefing.com. Jim O'Sullivan, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, is a little higher than that with an estimate of 390,000. He says this report should be viewed as pretty clean with any noise and distortions from the spring and annual auto plant shutdowns finally filtered out.

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What will the US Fed try next?


Rally drives S&P 500 to highest close since May 3


NEW YORK (Reuters) - Stocks surged on Friday, driving the S&P 500 to its highest close since May 3 as hopes increased that the Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank may provide further stimulus.

Taken together, the S&P 500's two-day move was its biggest since December, driven by optimism that central banks will ride to the rescue with more aid for the world economy. The S&P 500 rose 3.6 percent in those two days, and the moves come before key meetings of both the Fed and the ECB next week.

The Dow ended above 13,000 for the first time since May 7.

"The reason the market's doing well today and did well yesterday is we have another round of supportive rhetoric coming out of Europe," said Leo Grohowski, who oversees more than $170 billion in client assets as chief investment officer at BNY Mellon Wealth Management in New York.

The U.S. economic picture remained bleak and earnings continued to disappoint investors. Shares of Facebook (FB.O) hit an all-time low on Friday after posting its first-ever results, while S&P 500 guidance on the current quarter is the most negative it's been since 2001, Thomson Reuters data showed.

The Dow Jones industrial average (^DJI) climbed 187.73 points, or 1.46 percent, to close at 13,075.66.

On Thursday, stocks had jumped as the ECB chief said he would do whatever it takes to save the euro.


Third-quarter earnings now are expected to decline 0.4 percent from a year ago. Just a week earlier, the third-quarter forecast called for growth of 1.4 percent, Thomson Reuters data showed.

While 67 percent of the 290 S&P 500 companies that have reported second-quarter results so far have beaten earnings expectations, just 40 percent have beaten revenue estimates, the lowest amount since the first quarter of 2009, Thomson Reuters data shows.

Helping the argument for more stimulus, data showed U.S. gross domestic product growth slowed to a 1.5 percent annual rate in the second quarter as consumers spent at their most sluggish pace in a year.

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Let's be clear here that there is nothing that the US Fed, the ECB or any other government or non government organization can do to effectively Grow their national &/or the Global Economy, due to the basic Global factors that are influencing events & will continue to do so for the next few decades!

A this stage, all these organizations can do is postpone the final outcomes, but in doing so, they will most probably make those outcomes worse!
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Reply #812 - Jul 29th, 2012 at 6:47am
 
<<A this stage, all these organizations can do is postpone the final outcomes, but in doing so, they will most probably make those outcomes worse!>>
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I actually heard an economist or someone from the world bank ???? say that if Spain ends up needing a bailout, that will be the end of it, after that the Eurozone should return to normal.

How about Croatia joining the European Union. I really think they've all gone a bit nutty over there.
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Reply #813 - Aug 1st, 2012 at 8:34am
 
If you see the real estate salesman on the road, run over the SOAB.
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Reply #814 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 12:56pm
 
This is an interesting look at the powers behind the Federal Reserve with some history thrown in.

It represents any country with a central banking system, not just the USA.

Worth a look.

I don't think we will rise up as a people though. They will win.

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Reply #815 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 2:59pm
 
Should we say we're the envy of the world, economically?

Here is a snippet from today's Daily Reckoning.

Will Mario Draghi, president of the European Central Bank illegally print money to rescue the Euro?

The possibility is being talked about.
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--Getting back to the manufacturing data, guess how Australia fared?

--We came in at a dismal 40.3. Well, at least we're doing better than Greece and Spain, you might think.

--You'd be wrong. Greece recorded 41.9 for July while Spain's reading was 42.3. The only strength in Australia's report was wages growth. It soared 12 points in July to 71.4. But rising wages on lower demand is not a good combination for profit margins.

--Our manufacturing sector is dying, and yet our national angst (if the media is any guide) is directed towards the state of James Magnussen's mind.

--The only difference between Australia and the European countries that we often ridicule is that the market hasn't shut off our tab yet. We're still at the bar drinking. The market thinks we'll remember to pay our bill in the morning.

--This view pushes our currency to levels that choke manufacturing and render us globally uncompetitive. Bizarrely, it improves our relative wealth at a time when the basis of that wealth (the commodities boom) is clearly faltering.

--Nothing makes sense anymore. Global capital is in the hands of the speculators, rushing around wildly, playing a mad game of hide and seek. They think Australia is a good hiding spot. It won't be long before they're caught.

--In other news, last night Fed chairman Ben Bernanke didn't throw the market as big a bone as they were hoping. Now it's all eyes on 'Super' Mario from the European Central Bank tonight. Because when everything's screwed, your friendly central banker is all you have to rely on.


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Reply #816 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:15pm
 
It's worth a watch, if you're into this sort of thing.


Capitalism: A Love Story

Sunday 19 August 9.30pm SBS ONE


The West loves capitalism. But what are the costs?

Filmmaker Michael Moore examines the impact of corporate dominance on the everyday lives of Americans.


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Reply #817 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 11:01pm
 
Quote:
--Getting back to the manufacturing data, guess how Australia fared?

--We came in at a dismal 40.3. Well, at least we're doing better than Greece and Spain, you might think.

--You'd be wrong. Greece recorded 41.9 for July while Spain's reading was 42.3. The only strength in Australia's report was wages growth. It soared 12 points in July to 71.4. But rising wages on lower demand is not a good combination for profit margins.

--Our manufacturing sector is dying, and yet our national angst (if the media is any guide) is directed towards the state of James Magnussen's mind.

--The only difference between Australia and the European countries that we often ridicule is that the market hasn't shut off our tab yet. We're still at the bar drinking. The market thinks we'll remember to pay our bill in the morning.

--This view pushes our currency to levels that choke manufacturing and render us globally uncompetitive. Bizarrely, it improves our relative wealth at a time when the basis of that wealth (the commodities boom) is clearly faltering.

--Nothing makes sense anymore. Global capital is in the hands of the speculators, rushing around wildly, playing a mad game of hide and seek. They think Australia is a good hiding spot. It won't be long before they're caught.

--In other news, last night Fed chairman Ben Bernanke didn't throw the market as big a bone as they were hoping. Now it's all eyes on 'Super' Mario from the European Central Bank tonight. Because when everything's screwed, your friendly central banker is all you have to rely on.



Well, that's why we're the lucky country.
When wool was in greatest demand, we were a giant pasture.
When resources are in demand, we are a giant quarry.
When energy is in demand, we have it now, and we have the capability to produce more than most nations on the planet.

We're doing OK.

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Reply #818 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 2:15am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 2nd, 2012 at 12:56pm:
This is an interesting look at the powers behind the Federal Reserve with some history thrown in.

It represents any country with a central banking system, not just the USA.

Worth a look.

I don't think we will rise up as a people though. They will win.




Yes, that clip/doco/cartoon was very well done.

I've believed it to be mostly true.
The assassination of JFK sent a very clear message to all future leaders, and they have abided.

However, small victories are by no means beyond the realms of possibility.
There is widespread thought and money control throughout the media and other sources, but there are minor battles which can be won.

I think, that much depends on what you believe to be honest and good for communities, and how you act upon it.
Their aim is to be dismissive and ignorant of what we are doing. Hence, there are always underlying opportunities to create new paradigms which align more with sociable thinking, right under their noses.


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Reply #819 - Aug 15th, 2012 at 12:10pm
 
On Stocks, Global Growth, And Why Central Banks Have Failed


If one looks at the market's reaction each time the Fed or any other central bank hints that some new, "unconventional" form of easing may be just around the corner, it would be easy to conclude that central banks have been successful in stimulating the economy. Once one observes the market's response to the release of various economic data, however, the waters become a bit muddy. Presumably, the market cheers QE and other central bank action because such action is expected to benefit the economy, and thus, set the wheels in motion once more so that things can run smoothly on their own (i.e. without the constant intervention of policymakers).

But when the market rallies on bad economic news, it becomes apparent that stocks are, in fact, rooting for the economy to perform poorly so that the likelihood of more central bank intervention increases. Of course, this is putting the cart before the horse. That is, the market shouldn't hope for bad economic news because such news would prompt the Fed to act when the whole reason for the Fed's action in the first place was to improve economic conditions. To do so seems perverse.

But when one looks at the evidence, the picture becomes much more clear, and the rationale behind the market's behavior becomes quite obvious. The following chart shows global growth, and marks significant instances of fiscal and monetary stimulus:
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What is striking about the chart is that clearly, central bank action is having less and less of an impact on growth. Specifically, each time efforts are made to provide stimulus, the positive effect is less pronounced.

Now, take a look at the chart below, which shows the performance of the S&P 500 over the same time period and with the same points of fiscal and monetary stimulus marked:
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Clearly, U.S. stocks have benefited more from central bank action than global growth has. The overall trajectory of the S&P 500 since the end of 2009 is emphatically up with only one significant retracement (during the fall of last year following the S&P downgrade of the U.S.), while the overall trajectory of global growth since the end of 2009 is down, with a few periods of recovery following monetary and fiscal stimulus.

The message is clear. The tools that central banks have employed are becoming less and less effective at stimulating global economic growth, but have largely retained their ability to positively impact U.S. stock prices. It is no wonder then, that the stock market sometimes cheers when economic data is weak. A recovery means no more stimulus, which might jeopardize the rally. But this is a terribly precarious scenario.

This has the potential to create a situation wherein the Fed and its international counterparts continue to implement monetary and fiscal stimulus in increasingly dramatic fashion as part of a desperate attempt to squeeze whatever positive returns they can from an increasingly unresponsive global economy. For instance, Eric Rosengren, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, recently recommended indefinite and "open ended" QE. Meanwhile, the stock market continues to respond just as favorably as it has before.

In the end, central banks' return on investment (i.e. the growth they can squeeze out of the economy by printing more money) falls to zero as stocks hit new highs. This sets the market up for a far more dramatic fall than would have otherwise been the case if the central banks of the world had simply ceased to implement policies that clearly are not working. Instead, these organizations should allow the world's economies and markets to reach equilibrium naturally (and yes, "naturally" might entail sovereign defaults).

Alas, it is not the intention of central planners to allow this to happen. As such, more money will be printed and positive returns measured by global growth will continue to diminish and approach zero. The stock market cannot sit atop this house of cards forever. I recommend positioning for a decline via a short position in the S&P 500 (SPY) or, alternatively, going long volatility.

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There are a few things that are apparent & that will become quite clear during the rest of this year & thru to the end of 2014 -
1) Global growth was propped up during the initial stages of the current GFC, particularly from 2009-2011, but that growth came at a massive cost to Global Debt.
2) Continued massive increases in Global Debt are not sustainable. Therefore, the massive additional stimuli's of the last few years will diminish, then cease.
3) As those stimuli's are withdrawn, growth will again slow, as the absolute Economic basics of Demographics & Energy Supply/Demand re-assert themselves & confirm that REAL GROWTH is now slowing because of these factors and that will continue for at least several decades!

In other words, the usual Keynesian approaches, which would usually have been successful at most times in the modern Economic era, will not work this time because the basic rules have changed, as the Debt will outweigh the Stimulus, long before any Economic revival becomes possible!

Conversely, the usual Austrian Economic model approaches will also not work this time, because no amount of cost cutting, nor Debt reduction will force Consumers to consume more again, due to a changing Demographic Demand model.

In fact, a vastly changed & changing Demographics, due to the Baby Boomer generation shifting into retirement & then death, will ensure Demand does not shift back to established old higher proportions, no matter which Economic model is used.

And, the shrinking spare Capacity of the Global Energy sources will also ensure that Demand Depletion is not balanced by any resurgence of Productivity! 

The solution is, we (including all of our Politicians) need a large dose of REALITY, we need to accept that the Exponential Economic Growth Fairy is Dead and we need to get on with getting the best out of life, AS IT WILL BE, not as it was & not as we would like it to be!

Good Luck & watch the Debt!
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Reply #820 - Aug 16th, 2012 at 7:02am
 
When is it time to turn the printing machine off forever? This is absurd. I've heard about borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, but borrowing from Peter to pay Peter lol!

Anyway, don't go looking for growth, it's finished, except in the developing nations.

The European Central Bank's Discreet Help for Greece

The European Central Bank is now taking risky measures to help save Athens from its acute financial emergency. Increasingly, euro-zone leaders are pushing the dirty work on the ECB. In the end, though, they will likely have no choice but to pay Greece the next tranche of its bailout package.

"There is no time to lose," Jean-Claude Juncker warned just a few days ago. Leaders must use "all means at their disposal" to save the currency union, the head of the Euro Group said. But one thing is becoming clear: Politicians are increasingly pushing the dirty work on to the European Central Bank (ECB).

Take Greece, for example, where liquidity is becoming scarce. The government in Athens needs to repay a maturing bond worth €3 billion ($3.7 billion) to the ECB by Aug. 20. The solution to that problem seems paradoxical: The ECB itself is pumping money into Greece, so that the country can in turn repay the ECB.

It's a controversial plan, because the central bank is prohibited from financing governments directly. As a result, no one is talking openly about the absurd flows of money. The ECB has only hinted that it will extend a helping hand to Greece.

For some weeks now, it has been clear that the Greeks would run out of money this summer. And there is no emergency backup plan in place. Everyone has instead counted on the ECB. For his part, ECB chief Mario Draghi seems to have accepted this and allowed the leaders of the euro-zone countries to force him into the role of the pragmatic emergency helper.


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Reply #821 - Sep 4th, 2012 at 11:01am
 
Yeah 'say something righteous and hopeful for a change' (even if it's a lie ) ROFLMAO.

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Reply #822 - Sep 4th, 2012 at 2:04pm
 
Google "Chin's ghost cities" and you'll see images of grand, ultra modern shopping complexes, paved streets complete with traffic lights, high rise apartment blocks, but not a person in sight.

Why were they built in the first place?

What went wrong? No one wants a bar of them. Why?

I think another reason for building these towns is to artificially inflate their GDP.
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Why there are Ghost Cities in China

The beautiful irony of China's ghost cities is that America is facing a similar problem in its former industrial hubs. Just look at Detroit, the world's former industrial miracle. You can now play golf from one side of the city to the next. Much of it is abandoned and crumbling.

The problem with overconsumption is obvious. You become unproductive because you didn't invest in production. The problem with China's overinvestment is less obvious.

In fact, most economists wouldn't spot the problem if it was woolly and walked across the highway in front of their car. The term for this is malinvestment. And China is a textbook case. The Age reports on some examples:

'China's banks are coming after the country's steel traders, hauling executives into court to chase down loans that some traders say they didn't initially need and can't now repay...

'"After the financial crisis, when the government released its stimulus, banks begged us to borrow money we didn't need," Li Huanhan, the owner of Shanghai Shunze Steel Trading, told a judge at a recent hearing. "We had nothing to do with the money, so we turned to other investments, like real estate."' 

Debt is one problem even a mainstream economist can spot. It is difficult to repay debt if you don't earn an income from your investment. And one characteristic of a malinvestment is that it doesn't earn enough of an income to justify it.

But economists don't recognise many of the other problems, which are obvious to the rest of us. Producing things that nobody wants, like empty cities, is incredibly wasteful.

Eventually, China will experience an economic crisis. The debts they ran up to malinvest can't be repaid. When the economy tries to shift towards a more stable balance of consumption, investment and production, it will be extremely disruptive.

Jobs and all the industries catering to construction will take a major hit. You can't turn an investment and production focused economy into a balanced one overnight.

Unfortunately, all this means a collapse in demand for Australian resources. The mining boom will be over. The iron ore price will plunge. Treasurer Wayne Swan's budget will be in tatters. As will the speedy half of Australia's two speed economy.

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Reply #823 - Sep 5th, 2012 at 7:50pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 2:04pm:
Google "Chin's ghost cities" and you'll see images of grand, ultra modern shopping complexes, paved streets complete with traffic lights, high rise apartment blocks, but not a person in sight.

Why were they built in the first place?

What went wrong? No one wants a bar of them. Why?

I think another reason for building these towns is to artificially inflate their GDP.
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Why there are Ghost Cities in China

The beautiful irony of China's ghost cities is that America is facing a similar problem in its former industrial hubs. Just look at Detroit, the world's former industrial miracle. You can now play golf from one side of the city to the next. Much of it is abandoned and crumbling.

The problem with overconsumption is obvious. You become unproductive because you didn't invest in production. The problem with China's overinvestment is less obvious.

In fact, most economists wouldn't spot the problem if it was woolly and walked across the highway in front of their car. The term for this is malinvestment. And China is a textbook case. The Age reports on some examples:

'China's banks are coming after the country's steel traders, hauling executives into court to chase down loans that some traders say they didn't initially need and can't now repay...

'"After the financial crisis, when the government released its stimulus, banks begged us to borrow money we didn't need," Li Huanhan, the owner of Shanghai Shunze Steel Trading, told a judge at a recent hearing. "We had nothing to do with the money, so we turned to other investments, like real estate."' 

Debt is one problem even a mainstream economist can spot. It is difficult to repay debt if you don't earn an income from your investment. And one characteristic of a malinvestment is that it doesn't earn enough of an income to justify it.

But economists don't recognise many of the other problems, which are obvious to the rest of us. Producing things that nobody wants, like empty cities, is incredibly wasteful.

Eventually, China will experience an economic crisis. The debts they ran up to malinvest can't be repaid. When the economy tries to shift towards a more stable balance of consumption, investment and production, it will be extremely disruptive.

Jobs and all the industries catering to construction will take a major hit. You can't turn an investment and production focused economy into a balanced one overnight.

Unfortunately, all this means a collapse in demand for Australian resources. The mining boom will be over. The iron ore price will plunge. Treasurer Wayne Swan's budget will be in tatters. As will the speedy half of Australia's two speed economy.

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Do you think the Chinese have an idea what's happening?

http://chart.finance.yahoo.com/z?s=000001.SS&t=5y&q=l&l=on&z=l&a=v&p=s&lang=en-A...
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Here we go again, kick the can along a bit further.
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After disastrous US job report, QE3 expected next week

The percentage of able-bodied Americans searching for jobs has hit a 30-year-low, and Wall Street now expects the US Federal Reserve to announce a new round of quantitative easing as early as next week.

The US Labor Department released their workforce statistics for August 2012 on Friday, and the figures are far from what economists had expected.

The Labor Department announced this week that while the unemployment rate last month dropped slightly to 8.1 percent, July’s figure was revised to show that fewer jobs, in fact, were added that month. For August, the US economy added 96,000 new jobs, a substantially smaller figure than predicted. The median statistic that Bloomberg found after surveying nearly 100 economists came to 130,000 new jobs.

Additionally, the participation rate — the labor force as a percent of the population as a whole — charted at 63.5 percent, the lowest figure the country has seen since September 1981.

House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner was quick to come down on the Obama White House over the latest news, releasing a statement on Friday that attacks US President Barack Obama and his “failed promises to get our economy moving again.”

"Wages are stagnant, gas prices and health care costs are up, our national debt has surpassed $16 trillion and millions of Americans remain out of work or underemployed,” Speaker Boehner said, only hours after President Obama accepted the Democratic Party’s nomination to run for reelection.

“I’m very concerned about those of us who are unemployed and where are we going to find stable employment,” would-be worker Kimberly Hackler of White, Georgia tells Bloomberg. Hackler says she has been looking for work since November, applying for close to 200 positions in the last year but coming up empty handed after each try.

“I don’t see the economy improving anytime soon. I am concerned it could get worse,” Hackler says.

Some economists expect the same outcome, in fact, and predict that the Federal Reserve may now finally step up to the plate. According to them, now is the perfect time for the US central bank to start third round of quantitative easing, or QE3, to address America’s economic woes.

In a statement made early Friday, Goldman Sachs tells reporters that they expect the Fed to announce plans for QE3 during an already scheduled meeting next week among the Federal Open Market Committee, more than a year ahead of when they had originally anticipated the maneuver.

“With today’s August employment report showing a nonfarm payroll gain of 96,000 and an unemployment rate of 8.1% because of a drop in the participation rate, we expect a return to unsterilized and probably open-ended asset purchases at the September 12-13 FOMC meeting,” the bankers write.

“We now anticipate that the FOMC will announce a return to unsterilized asset purchases (QE3), mainly agency mortgage-backed securities but potentially including Treasury securities, at its September 12-13 FOMC meeting. We previously forecasted QE3 in December or early 2013. We continue to expect a lengthening of the FOMC’s forward guidance for the first hike in the funds rate from “late 2014” to mid-2015 or beyond,” Goldman adds.

Joseph Trevisani, chief market strategist at Worldwide Markets in, New Jersey, says to Reuters, "This weak employment report, in jobs, wages, hours worked and participation is probably the last piece the Fed needs before launching another round of quantitative easing next week.”

Last month, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke told an audience at his annual Jackson Hole address, "The stagnation of the labor market in particular is a grave concern not only because of the enormous suffering and waste of human talent it entails, but also because persistently high levels of unemployment will wreak structural damage on our economy that could last for many years.” The Fed has been thought to be preparing a round of quantitative easing for the last year amid dire employment levels, but the Labor Department’s latest news may have finally pushed them over the edge.

http://rt.com/usa/news/qe3-jobs-employment-labor-610/
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