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Reply #750 - Jan 18th, 2012 at 11:04pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 5:37am:
Imagine the price rise if oil supply is cut by 40%, it would be a good time to open a bicycle or motor bike shop.

Maybe McDonalds wouldn't be such an easy option if people had to walk too and from the golden arches.

40% less oil would certainly change the way we do business.


It would change many things, in many ways!

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Reply #751 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 8:54am
 
Jobs market still weak, economists say


ALMOST 30,000 jobs were lost in December, with part-time workers feeling most of the pain.

Full-time employment rose by 24,500 to eight million in December but part-time employment was down 53,700 to 3.37 million

Despite the big drop in overall job numbers the unemployment rate remained at 5.2 per cent.

This was because fewer people were actually looking for work and have fallen out of the labour market and participation rate.

The big drop in part-time employment reflects tough times in seasonal industries such as retail and hospitality.

The weak job data is adding to the case for interest rate cuts next month, economists say.

HSBC chief economist Paul Bloxham said the data made a cash rate cut by the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) more likely.

"The data shows that unemployment has been on a slow grind for some time now," Mr Bloxham said.

"I think this is still consistent with the RBA cutting interest rates next month, which is what we expect to happen.

"With the participation rate falling and employment also falling, it does look as though the labour market is still softening."

Total employment fell 293,000 to 11,421,300 in the month, according to figures released by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS).

The forecast was for total employment to have risen by 5,000 in December with the unemployment rate at 5.3 per cent, according to the median of 13 economists surveyed by AAP.

Full-time employment rose by 24,500 to 8.051 million in December while part-time employment was down 53,700 to 3.37 million, the ABS reported.

The December participation rate was 65.2 per cent, compared with an unrevised 65.5 per cent in November.
The participation rate was forecast to be 65.5 per cent.

The Australian dollar plummeted about one third of a US cent after the ABS released the latest job data.

CMC markets foreign exchange dealer Tim Waterer said the headline reading of 29,000 jobs being shed prompted the sell-off.

"The break-down showed there as a decent rise in full-time jobs," Mr Waterer said.

"24,000 full times jobs were created and the reason for the headline numbers was part time jobs lost.

The dollar bounced back quickly before slipping again.

The figures released at 11.30 (AEDT) showed unemployment dropped to 5.2 per cent, in-line with market expectations.

Total employment fell 293,000 to 11,421,300 in the month.

At 11.29 (AEDT), prior to the data release, the dollar was at 104.23 US cents before dropping to 103.94 US cents 1131 AEDT.

It had recovered slightly by 11.34 (AEDT), climbing back up to more than 104 US cents before dropping again to 103.94 at 11.43 (AEDT). By 11.55 (AEDT) it was at 104.04

"The other shining light you can read in that was a fall in the unemployment rate," Mr Waterer said of the ABS figures.

He said he expected to see the Australian dollar recover throughout the afternoon.

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Reply #752 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:21am
 
Total employment fell 293,000 to 11,421,300 in the month

reading of 29,000 jobs being shed

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Not sure perce, but that's 293,000 less people working. A lot of those would be baby boomers going into retirement.
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Reply #753 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 12:37pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:21am:
Total employment fell 293,000 to 11,421,300 in the month

reading of 29,000 jobs being shed

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Not sure perce, but that's 293,000 less people working. A lot of those would be baby boomers going into retirement.


Some would no doubt have to be Baby Boomers, but they are only set to average about 80,000 per month, so "something else" went into these figures?

If the figures were true and continued, then there would be no workforce at all, after only 3 years, so clearly something is wrong with these figures!

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Reply #754 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 8:36pm
 
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This chart hasn't yet been updated with Friday's 31 point drop, but clearly something is afoot, as the BDI continues to plummet!
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Reply #755 - Jan 22nd, 2012 at 6:17am
 
For those (like me) who are not up to scratch on all of the global economic indicators. So it looks like something is affecting the shipment of raw materials and all the while Wall Street seems to be ignoring any sign of trouble, maybe they think if they ignore it for long enough it will go away.
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Baltic Dry Index

Economic Implications


This index is one of the purest leading indicators of economic activity. It measures the demand to move raw materials and precursors to production. Consumer spending and other economic indicators are backward looking, meaning they examine what has already occurred. The BDI offers a real time glimpse at global raw material and infrastructure demand. This could also be gleaned from looking at commodity prices, but there are substitution effects and futures contracts that make it difficult to interpret the impact of commodity price fluctuations. Additionally, nearly all commodities are seeing severe increases in prices in 2008 regardless of supply situations as investors seek to hedge their inflation exposure with hard assets.

Unlike stock and commodities markets, the Baltic Dry Index is totally devoid of speculative players.

http://www.wikinvest.com/index/Baltic_Dry_Index_-_BDI_%28BALDRY%29
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Reply #756 - Jan 22nd, 2012 at 11:08am
 
Baltic Dry Index Is The Most Alarming Chart Of The Week


It’s Friday in the Wall Street Daily Nation. If you’re a newbie, that means I’m skipping the long-winded analysis. Instead, I’ll let some carefully selected graphics do most of the talking for me. This week, I’m dishing on an alarming development for the obscure yet instructive Baltic Dry Index.

Houston, We Have a Problem


While almost everyone finally agrees that the United States has avoided a nasty double-dip recession, a slowdown’s still brewing elsewhere in the world. All I have to do to be sure is look at the latest chart for the Baltic Dry Index.

...

The Baltic Dry Index tracks the cost of shipping major raw materials (iron ore, coal, grain, cement, copper, sand and gravel, fertilizer and even plastic granules). Or, more simply, it tracks the precursors of economic output.
As such, the Index provides a measurement of the volume of global trade at the earliest possible stage.


When I last reported on the Baltic Dry Index in October 2011, it was coming off an impressive two-month, 50% rally. That rally’s come to an end. As you can see in the chart above, the Index is down 48.4% in the last month, and 54.4% in the last three months.

The culprit is Europe, of course. You’ll recall that European sovereign debt fears spiked (again) last October. And that’s precisely when the Baltic Dry Index also began its descent. Coincidence? I think not. And the World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF) have my back. On Wednesday, the World Bank cut its world economic growth forecast explicitly because of Europe’s never-ending debt crisis. Meanwhile, as Europe’s debt crisis persists, Bloomberg reports that the IMF plans to cut its global growth forecasts, too.

The obvious takeaway from today’s chart? Steer clear of companies that sell cyclical products exclusively in European markets. A recession there is afoot, if not already underway. And the less obvious takeaway? As I reported yesterday, avoid U.S. stocks with heavy European exposure.

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/320939-baltic-dry-index-is-the-most-alarming-cha...
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It seems the chart in the above article is slightly out of date, so let me update the chart to Thursday of this week (see following) and confirm that Friday saw another fall of 31, to finish the week at 862.
...

That said, let me make it clear that declines of the magnitude currently under way are Global, which means that the Economies of all of the big players such as Europe, the USA & China are trending down and that all other countries are following that trend!

The author of the article suggests that the USA has avoided a nasty double-dip recession, but I do not agree and it will become apparent that the US is up to its neck in strife, as are many countries already, with more to follow the trend, including OZ! 
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Reply #757 - Jan 22nd, 2012 at 11:28am
 
Spain Announces Beginning Of End: The Unfolding Global Fiasco Is Near


The primary reason for my bearishness regarding Europe is that accelerating economic contractions in PIIGS nations will cause them to violate fiscal targets that they have only recently agreed to. In fact, these commitments will be violated by a wide margin.

These incremental deficits have to be financed. As it is, Europe has not figured out how they will finance the deficits previously agreed to, much less new deficits. For countries such as Spain, Portugal and Italy, a showdown with Germany over the breech of commitments and the securing additional financing looms.

Spain To Miss Fiscal Targets By Wide Margin
In various articles I have said that the endgame in Europe will probably take the form of PIIGS economies shrinking more than expected, their revenues shrinking more than expected and fiscal deficits ballooning more than expected. All of this will cause fiscal targets and commitments to be violated on the part of PIIGS. This in turn will lead to a showdown with Germany centered on how such shortfalls will be handled.

Spain has now begun the process of acknowledging publicly that it will violate its commitments under recent accords; it is preparing the way for confrontation. According to various reports, Budget Minister Cristobol Montoro has warned that Spain will not meet its target deficit of 4.4% of GDP in 2012. Montoro said that this target was based on an outdated forecast of 2.3% economic growth for Spain in 2012 made by the previous government.

In my view, the absolute best-case scenario for Spain’s GDP growth in 2012 will be a contraction of -2.0%. My own base case estimate is for a contraction of -3.5%. A contraction that exceeds -5.0% is entirely plausible.

Who Will Finance The Additional Debt?
Extraordinary political and economic Pan European efforts were made during the second half of 2011 to cobble together a series of gut-wrenching agreements and compromises that would enable the financing of targeted fiscal deficits for the PIIGS in 2012 – in the case of Spain a deficit of -4.4% of GDP.

As it is, it has thus far been impossible for European nations to fund the EFSF financing mechanism that would ensure financings and roll-overs for Spain and other PIIGS in 2012.

Thus, the question arises: If it has been impossible to secure mechanisms that would ensure financing of a Spanish fiscal deficit of -4.4% of GDP, how is a fiscal deficit of -9.0% or more going to be financed?

Conclusion
The bottom line is this: The market has not yet come to terms with the fact that the PIIGS are in a midst of an economic contraction that will cause them to violate their recently agreed fiscal commitments by a wide margin. The size of the economic contraction in the PIIGS will be much greater than is currently forecast, and as a result, the size of the fiscal shortfalls will be enormously greater than currently forecast.

These fiscal shortfalls can only be financed through additional bailouts that must be directly and/or indirectly financed by the Germans – whether it be through financing mechanisms such as the EFSF or through the ECB. Worse still, for reasons I have discussed previously, PIIGS are fundamentally insolvent under the euro system and therefore the Germans have no realistic hope of ever being paid back.

Will the Germans go for it? Maybe, maybe not. What I am relatively certain about is that the Germans will offer up enormous resistance, at least at first. Thus, when the inevitable confrontation occurs and moment of decision arrives, global equity markets will be 20%-25% lower than they are presently.

I maintain my view that prior to late April of 2012, the S&P 500 will have initiated another leg down that will eventually take it to the 950-1,020 range. Notwithstanding the bullish configuration of the overall equity market, medium-term and long-term investors with cash should avoid the temptation of buying stocks and chasing them into this “bear trap.”

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I happen to think that equity markets will go quite a bit lower, as there are adverse issues, other than Europes PIIGS!
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Reply #758 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 11:41am
 
Economic activity tipped to slow


The Australian economy is expected to slip below the projected long-term growth trend, according to a leading index of economic activity.

The Westpac-Melbourne Institute leading index, which predicts the growth rate of the Australian economy three to nine months into the future, was 1.6 per cent in November, below its long-term trend of 2.9 per cent.

The annualised rate of 1.6 per cent in November represents a fall from 2.3 per cent in October.

The annual coincident index, which gives a pulse of current activity, was three per cent, close to its long term trend of 3.1 per cent.

"The growth rate in the Index has slowed from the 4.5 per cent, which was reported for August and is now well below trend," Westpac chief economist Bill Evans said.

"It appears that the boost to above trend growth we saw in July and August has quickly faded and the outlook has evolved into a 'below trend' story."

"This message is consistent with Westpac's own forecasts for 2012. We are currently forecasting growth in 2012 of three per cent which is slightly below trend growth for the economy."

The Reserve Bank of Australia cut the official interest rate by 25 basis points in November and, by the same amount, in December in response to a worsening global economic outlook.

Mr Evans said the latest index added to the case for a third 25 basis point cut in February.

"Since the last (RBA) board meeting in December we have seen ongoing deterioration in the labour market while financial and economic conditions in Europe remain fragile," he said.

"We expect the board to cut the overnight cash rate by a further 0.25 percentage point to four per cent completing three consecutive meetings when the overnight cash rate has been reduced."

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http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Economic-activity-slows-below...
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Whilst the statement, "Economic activity tipped to slow", is likely to be a gross understatement, it is still correct that Global Economic Activity has started to slip below the long term trend lines, of the modern era.

That slowing trend will strengthen and accelerate, for various reasons, in the years ahead.

At the core of this trend is a slowing in Demand for Products & Services, which is guaranteed to happen as Population Growth rates grind lower, before finally going into actual decline, probably sometime prior to 2030, Globally

This process is being aided & abetted, by the current retirement of the largest single Global Population generation in history, the Baby Boomers, before they start to leave us in ever increasing numbers, over the next 20 years or so!

These Population issues can not be reversed, by another massive new wave of births, as we are also bumping into other glass ceilings such as shortages in Energy (Peak Oil & Coal) & a myriad of other natural Resources, which is also causing a myriad of Global Political moves, but also Climate related issues including Food shortages & too much or too little water and finally we have already reached Peak Debt, Globally! 

Lowering interest rates, WILL NOT WORK, as has already been demonstrated, in the US & Europe!

Introducing AUS-terity, WILL NOT WORK, as is already been demonstrated, in Europe!

Introducing Government bailouts of the big end of town, Keynesian inspired increased Government spending & outright printing of money in the Trillions (FED Reserve), WILL NOT WORK, as is already been demonstrated, in the USA!

So, hold on tight, get your Debt under control, get yourself a better understanding of what's ahead and brace for impact or possibly just the continued tightening of the biggest Boa Constrictor in history!
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Reply #759 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 5:08pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 25th, 2012 at 11:41am:
Economic activity tipped to slow


The Australian economy is expected to slip below the projected long-term growth trend, according to a leading index of economic activity.

The Westpac-Melbourne Institute leading index, which predicts the growth rate of the Australian economy three to nine months into the future, was 1.6 per cent in November, below its long-term trend of 2.9 per cent.

The annualised rate of 1.6 per cent in November represents a fall from 2.3 per cent in October.

The annual coincident index, which gives a pulse of current activity, was three per cent, close to its long term trend of 3.1 per cent.

"The growth rate in the Index has slowed from the 4.5 per cent, which was reported for August and is now well below trend," Westpac chief economist Bill Evans said.

"It appears that the boost to above trend growth we saw in July and August has quickly faded and the outlook has evolved into a 'below trend' story."

"This message is consistent with Westpac's own forecasts for 2012. We are currently forecasting growth in 2012 of three per cent which is slightly below trend growth for the economy."

The Reserve Bank of Australia cut the official interest rate by 25 basis points in November and, by the same amount, in December in response to a worsening global economic outlook.

Mr Evans said the latest index added to the case for a third 25 basis point cut in February.

"Since the last (RBA) board meeting in December we have seen ongoing deterioration in the labour market while financial and economic conditions in Europe remain fragile," he said.

"We expect the board to cut the overnight cash rate by a further 0.25 percentage point to four per cent completing three consecutive meetings when the overnight cash rate has been reduced."

Link -
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Economic-activity-slows-below...
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Whilst the statement, "Economic activity tipped to slow", is likely to be a gross understatement, it is still correct that Global Economic Activity has started to slip below the long term trend lines, of the modern era.

That slowing trend will strengthen and accelerate, for various reasons, in the years ahead.

At the core of this trend is a slowing in Demand for Products & Services, which is guaranteed to happen as Population Growth rates grind lower, before finally going into actual decline, probably sometime prior to 2030, Globally

This process is being aided & abetted, by the current retirement of the largest single Global Population generation in history, the Baby Boomers, before they start to leave us in ever increasing numbers, over the next 20 years or so!

These Population issues can not be reversed, by another massive new wave of births, as we are also bumping into other glass ceilings such as shortages in Energy (Peak Oil & Coal) & a myriad of other natural Resources, which is also causing a myriad of Global Political moves, but also Climate related issues including Food shortages & too much or too little water and finally we have already reached Peak Debt, Globally! 

Lowering interest rates, WILL NOT WORK, as has already been demonstrated, in the US & Europe!

Introducing AUS-terity, WILL NOT WORK, as is already been demonstrated, in Europe!

Introducing Government bailouts of the big end of town, Keynesian inspired increased Government spending & outright printing of money in the Trillions (FED Reserve), WILL NOT WORK, as is already been demonstrated, in the USA!

So, hold on tight, get your Debt under control, get yourself a better understanding of what's ahead and brace for impact or possibly just the continued tightening of the biggest Boa Constrictor in history!


Economic growth was God...it was allways going to come unstuck sooner or later...there was never a magic pudding...
I think the growth they have forecast is wildly optimistic.
Simple solution for us though with the world's greatest treasurer...he can just go out and borrow some more cash to tide us over. 
Give everyone a couple of grand each, now what could go wrong. Cheesy
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Reply #760 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 5:30pm
 
tonegunman1 wrote on Jan 25th, 2012 at 5:08pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 25th, 2012 at 11:41am:
Economic activity tipped to slow


The Australian economy is expected to slip below the projected long-term growth trend, according to a leading index of economic activity.

The Westpac-Melbourne Institute leading index, which predicts the growth rate of the Australian economy three to nine months into the future, was 1.6 per cent in November, below its long-term trend of 2.9 per cent.

The annualised rate of 1.6 per cent in November represents a fall from 2.3 per cent in October.

The annual coincident index, which gives a pulse of current activity, was three per cent, close to its long term trend of 3.1 per cent.

"The growth rate in the Index has slowed from the 4.5 per cent, which was reported for August and is now well below trend," Westpac chief economist Bill Evans said.

"It appears that the boost to above trend growth we saw in July and August has quickly faded and the outlook has evolved into a 'below trend' story."

"This message is consistent with Westpac's own forecasts for 2012. We are currently forecasting growth in 2012 of three per cent which is slightly below trend growth for the economy."

The Reserve Bank of Australia cut the official interest rate by 25 basis points in November and, by the same amount, in December in response to a worsening global economic outlook.

Mr Evans said the latest index added to the case for a third 25 basis point cut in February.

"Since the last (RBA) board meeting in December we have seen ongoing deterioration in the labour market while financial and economic conditions in Europe remain fragile," he said.

"We expect the board to cut the overnight cash rate by a further 0.25 percentage point to four per cent completing three consecutive meetings when the overnight cash rate has been reduced."

Link -
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Economic-activity-slows-below...
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Whilst the statement, "Economic activity tipped to slow", is likely to be a gross understatement, it is still correct that Global Economic Activity has started to slip below the long term trend lines, of the modern era.

That slowing trend will strengthen and accelerate, for various reasons, in the years ahead.

At the core of this trend is a slowing in Demand for Products & Services, which is guaranteed to happen as Population Growth rates grind lower, before finally going into actual decline, probably sometime prior to 2030, Globally

This process is being aided & abetted, by the current retirement of the largest single Global Population generation in history, the Baby Boomers, before they start to leave us in ever increasing numbers, over the next 20 years or so!

These Population issues can not be reversed, by another massive new wave of births, as we are also bumping into other glass ceilings such as shortages in Energy (Peak Oil & Coal) & a myriad of other natural Resources, which is also causing a myriad of Global Political moves, but also Climate related issues including Food shortages & too much or too little water and finally we have already reached Peak Debt, Globally! 

Lowering interest rates, WILL NOT WORK, as has already been demonstrated, in the US & Europe!

Introducing AUS-terity, WILL NOT WORK, as is already been demonstrated, in Europe!

Introducing Government bailouts of the big end of town, Keynesian inspired increased Government spending & outright printing of money in the Trillions (FED Reserve), WILL NOT WORK, as is already been demonstrated, in the USA!

So, hold on tight, get your Debt under control, get yourself a better understanding of what's ahead and brace for impact or possibly just the continued tightening of the biggest Boa Constrictor in history!


Economic growth was God...it was allways going to come unstuck sooner or later...there was never a magic pudding...
I think the growth they have forecast is wildly optimistic.
Simple solution for us though with the world's greatest treasurer...he can just go out and borrow some more cash to tide us over. 
Give everyone a couple of grand each, now what could go wrong
. Cheesy


World's greatest treasurer?
I don't think so, but I think you already knew that!

As far as throwing a couple of grand at everyone, I think that's already been tried here, it won't work now!



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Reply #761 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 6:37pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 25th, 2012 at 5:30pm:
tonegunman1 wrote on Jan 25th, 2012 at 5:08pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 25th, 2012 at 11:41am:
Economic activity tipped to slow


The Australian economy is expected to slip below the projected long-term growth trend, according to a leading index of economic activity.

The Westpac-Melbourne Institute leading index, which predicts the growth rate of the Australian economy three to nine months into the future, was 1.6 per cent in November, below its long-term trend of 2.9 per cent.

The annualised rate of 1.6 per cent in November represents a fall from 2.3 per cent in October.

The annual coincident index, which gives a pulse of current activity, was three per cent, close to its long term trend of 3.1 per cent.

"The growth rate in the Index has slowed from the 4.5 per cent, which was reported for August and is now well below trend," Westpac chief economist Bill Evans said.

"It appears that the boost to above trend growth we saw in July and August has quickly faded and the outlook has evolved into a 'below trend' story."

"This message is consistent with Westpac's own forecasts for 2012. We are currently forecasting growth in 2012 of three per cent which is slightly below trend growth for the economy."

The Reserve Bank of Australia cut the official interest rate by 25 basis points in November and, by the same amount, in December in response to a worsening global economic outlook.

Mr Evans said the latest index added to the case for a third 25 basis point cut in February.

"Since the last (RBA) board meeting in December we have seen ongoing deterioration in the labour market while financial and economic conditions in Europe remain fragile," he said.

"We expect the board to cut the overnight cash rate by a further 0.25 percentage point to four per cent completing three consecutive meetings when the overnight cash rate has been reduced."

Link -
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Economic-activity-slows-below...
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Whilst the statement, "Economic activity tipped to slow", is likely to be a gross understatement, it is still correct that Global Economic Activity has started to slip below the long term trend lines, of the modern era.

That slowing trend will strengthen and accelerate, for various reasons, in the years ahead.

At the core of this trend is a slowing in Demand for Products & Services, which is guaranteed to happen as Population Growth rates grind lower, before finally going into actual decline, probably sometime prior to 2030, Globally

This process is being aided & abetted, by the current retirement of the largest single Global Population generation in history, the Baby Boomers, before they start to leave us in ever increasing numbers, over the next 20 years or so!

These Population issues can not be reversed, by another massive new wave of births, as we are also bumping into other glass ceilings such as shortages in Energy (Peak Oil & Coal) & a myriad of other natural Resources, which is also causing a myriad of Global Political moves, but also Climate related issues including Food shortages & too much or too little water and finally we have already reached Peak Debt, Globally! 

Lowering interest rates, WILL NOT WORK, as has already been demonstrated, in the US & Europe!

Introducing AUS-terity, WILL NOT WORK, as is already been demonstrated, in Europe!

Introducing Government bailouts of the big end of town, Keynesian inspired increased Government spending & outright printing of money in the Trillions (FED Reserve), WILL NOT WORK, as is already been demonstrated, in the USA!

So, hold on tight, get your Debt under control, get yourself a better understanding of what's ahead and brace for impact or possibly just the continued tightening of the biggest Boa Constrictor in history!


Economic growth was God...it was allways going to come unstuck sooner or later...there was never a magic pudding...
I think the growth they have forecast is wildly optimistic.
Simple solution for us though with the world's greatest treasurer...he can just go out and borrow some more cash to tide us over. 
Give everyone a couple of grand each, now what could go wrong
. Cheesy


World's greatest treasurer?
I don't think so, but I think you already knew that!

As far as throwing a couple of grand at everyone, I think that's already been tried here, it won't work now!





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Reply #762 - Jan 27th, 2012 at 10:43am
 
Look. The USA is a 4th World Mathematical nation.
Most of their great 'mathematical' equations have only justified a 'destructive' element.
They are Imperialists that must bully and cheat their way towards a productive economy.
Its almost as if their 'Economist' is nothing more than a Labourer level who is more interested in the size of his knob at hand and being a 'lurrrrrver'. (won't mention race here).
Of all the Economic Crises, that the world has suffered - they emanate from Politically 1st World USA than anywhere else. Isn't it ironic that the USA Colony known as the UK also oppresses Zimbabwe with siege and blames Mugabe (of course he will shoot you for siding with the Brits. Notice how those that starve are the loyalists for the Brits who have been left wanting) ...thus Hyper-Inflation.

Take Europe for example: Medically 1st World, but it sure does suffer some Military crises from time to time as we well know. To think Prince William still parades in Military garb - obviously more American than European. What a Fink!

Asian Economics is booming because they practice 'orthodox' Mathematics. Hell, they came up with Suduko that has boomed in popularity to the pleasure of millions, rather than an equation that destructively goes 'boom' and kills millions.
Asia seems to have an 'Academic' Economist working for them and its showing. I wouldn't hesitate in joining the Bank of Hong Kong. Hell, James Packer realised that Asian Economics is superior and based his 'safety net' in Macau ...unlike his Father Kerry who got screwed big time in Vegas.

Europe? Well they probably have a constructive 'Technician/Tradesman' as an Economist and the Middle-East probably has a 'Clerical' level Economist ...obviously Wink

...in the Southern Hemisphere? Well Australia does financially ok as long as the women are working long hours and the population doesn't grow for want of input from New Zealand and Boat People.

Prediction: Mugabe dead and Britain releases Zimbawe finally from its oppression as well. Zimbabwean economy to boom and farming to boom due to the history of both the Shona and the Nbele. Trust me, I used to date a female Colonel from Zimbabwe ...learned a fair bit. Wink
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Reply #763 - Jan 28th, 2012 at 8:46am
 
Stocks Finish Mixed After GDP Data Disappoints


U.S. stocks finished mixed Friday as good consumer sentiment data failed to distract investors from a disappointing read on gross domestic product.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average slumped 74.2 points, or 0.6%, at 12,660,
with Chevron(CVX_), the second-largest U.S. energy company, weighing on the index following disappointing quarterly earnings. The energy stock was down over 2%.

The S&P 500 fell 2.1 points, or 0.2%, at 1,316, and the Nasdaq finished in positive territory, up 11.3 points, or 0.4%, at 2,817 with the help of some decent technology earnings.

"The market is pulling back on a weaker GDP number notwithstanding improving consumer sentiment," says Peter Cardillo, chief market economist at Rockwell Global Capital. "However, I don't see the decline revising the upward trend, since lower economic growth in this quarter has been factored in."

The Bureau of Economic Analysis reported early Friday that the total output of goods and services in the U.S. expanded 2.8% during the fourth quarter, which was less than the 3.1% expansion that economists polled by Thomson Reuters were expecting. Much of the increase was driven by positive contributions from private inventory investment. Private inventories added 1.94 percentage points to the fourth-quarter change, with private businesses increasing inventories by $56 billion in the fourth quarter, following a decrease of $2 billion in the third quarter.

In the third-quarter, gross domestic product increased 1.8%.

"The first thought that came to my mind when GDP came in lighter than expected was whether this is what caused the more dovish sounding Fed on Tuesday," said James "Rev Shark" DePorre, founder and CEO of Shark Asset Management. "The issue now is whether hopes of QE3 offset any worries about a slowing economy. If you look at the action in the market since March 2009 the answer has been resounding: don't fight the Fed."

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There are some things that "uncle Ben" can do & some things he can not do!

What he absolutely can not do, is put the USA, Europe & the Global Economy, back on a REAL GDP GROWTH TREND, by simply relying on Trillions of thin air invented $'s, in an environment where Demand is shrinking, due to Demographic growth decline, where REAL COSTS ARE INCREASING, due Energy cost pressures and where the stables of FOOD & WATER are coming under increasing stress, due to Climate Change.

At some point, the FLOOD OF THIN AIR INVENTED $'s will overwhelm the system, the DAM WILL BURST and the REAL CONSEQUENCES will surface!
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Reply #764 - Jan 28th, 2012 at 9:07pm
 
For every action OR inaction, there are consequences!

However, consequences are like the Climate, they are in a never ending state of flux or change!

What some may regard as Economics 101, will now cause a massive collapse, on a scale of the 1930's Great Depression, as is already showing up in the UK & elsewhere.

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The British Economy Is Now Doing Worse Than In The Great Depression


Yep. This many months after the start of the Great Depression, the British economy was rapidly converging back to its pre-depression level of production under Chancellor of the Exchequer Neville Chamberlain's policy of using stimulative policies to restore the price level to its pre-Great Depression trajectory.

By contrast, the Cameron-Osborne policies of expansion-through-austerity have produced a flatline for real GDP, and the odds are high that British real GDP is headed down again.


In less than a year, if current forecasts come true, the Cameron-Osborne Depression will not be the worst depression in Britain since the Great Depression, but the worst depression in Britain… probably ever.

That is quite an accomplishment.

As Phillip Inman of the Guardian puts it:

        the UK's plan for recovery from the financial crisis was based on a full-throttle recovery in 2012... consumer confidence, business investment and general spending would converge to send the economy on a trajectory of above-average growth... the lack of investment will perplex ministers. They have done what the right-wing economists told them to do and moved out of the way – the theory being that public sector spending and investment was ‘crowding out’ the private sector...

It did not work: “Spain is showing the way with its austerity-driven recession. Where the weak tread, we [in Britain] look keen to follow...”

That expansionary austerity is not working in Britain should give all of its advocates great pause, and lead to a great rethinking. Britain is a highly open economy with a flexible exchange rate. Britain has some room for further monetary ease. There is no risk or default premium baked into British interest rates to indicate that fear of future political-economic chaos down the road is discouraging investment. There was an argument--I’m not saying that it was true, but there was an argument--that the Blair-Brown governments had overshot Britain’s long-term sustainable government-spending share of GDP (in contrast to those countries that had reduced their debt-to-GDP levels in the 2000s, where there was no such argument, and in contrast to the United States where the problem was not spending overshoot but taxation undershoot under the Bush administration) and that spending cutbacks were advisable in the long run.

Yet with a 10-year nominal interest rate in Britain of 2.098% per year, if low long-term Treasury interest rates were the key to recovery, Britain would be in a boom. If there was ever a place where expansionary austerity would work well--where private investment and exports would stand up as government purchases stood down--if its advocates’ view of the world was reality rather than fantasy, it would be Britain today.

But it is not working.

And the lesson is general.

If it is not working in Britain, how well can it possibly work elsewhere in countries that are less open, that don’t have the exchange-rate channel to boost exports, that don’t have the degree of long-term confidence that investors and businesses have in Britain?

Liberal Party leader Nick Clegg ought to end this farce today. He ought to tell Queen Elizabeth II Windsor that his party has no confidence in her government, and that his humble suggestion is that she ask Labour Party leader Ed Milliband to form a government.

It is true that if he does this his political career and his party’s electoral future are dog vomit. But his political career and his party’s political future is dog vomit anyway. At least defection from the ill-advised Conservative-Liberal coalition now would benefit his country.

Policy makers elsewhere in the world take note: starving yourself is no road to health, and pushing unemployment higher now is no road to market confidence.

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There are already Global Macro factors pushing Demand down, including Demographic & Energy issues and that will not change.

The introduction of general goverment driven AUS-terity programs, will serve to further exacerbate an inevitable Economic slowdown/collapse.

Regrettably, many governments, around the world, already find themselves in a massive Debt overhang and as a result, those governments, includung the USA & much of Europe, find themselves in an Economic Dilemma, equivalent to "Damocles sword".

The thing is, we over-indulged, for far too long and Politicians did not act in the best, long term interests for all of their constituents and now the Damocles sword hovers over us, ready to drop without notice.

These Economies can not take the usual Keynesian remedy, as they have racked up far too much Debt already!

However, neither can they take the usual AUS-terity remedy, as Demand is already shrinking because of a slowing Demographic & from higher Energy costs! 

The result is that those countries that drove Demand in the Global Economy now find themselves between a rock & a hard place.

What we currently have is a dilemma, where neither Central Bankers nor Politicians have any real solutions.

What they absolutely can not do, is put the USA, Europe & the Global Economy, back on a REAL GDP GROWTH TREND, by simply relying on Trillions of thin air invented $'s, but nor can they increase Consumer Demand by introducing AUS-terity programs.

In an environment where Demand is shrinking, due to Demographic growth decline, where REAL COSTS ARE INCREASING, due Energy cost pressures and where the stables of FOOD & WATER are coming under increasing stress, due to Climate Change, at some point, the FLOOD OF THIN AIR INVENTED $'s will overwhelm the system, the DAM WILL BURST and the REAL CONSEQUENCES will surface!
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