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Reply #705 - Dec 19th, 2011 at 1:10pm
 
China Economy May Drag World Down


My column of June 24, 2011 ("China Yield Inversion May Portend Economic Slowdown") opened with the following sentence:

“The yield on Chinese bonds are inverting at an accelerating rate. This does not portend well for the Chinese economy, and this may have negative implications globally.”

China’s contribution to global economic growth this year is nearly 40%.

The reason: property construction in China boomed significantly during the previous decade.


The Chinese government controls all the allocation of land. Beginning in 1998, Chinese authorities permitted individuals to buy the “right” to use property for 70 years. Domestic capital controls, which limited investment outside China, increased demand for this asset.

As a result, property construction boomed. The increased supply resulted in high levels of employment, income, and demand for residential and commercial properties.

The problem: insufficient demand to absorb the excess investment in property development.

According to the National Bureau of Statistics in China, real estate development for 2011 will total nearly $1 trillion, a 32% increase over last year. This investment represents approximately 15% of GDP, as calculated by the World Bank.

According to Jonathan Anderson of UBS, this is “the single most important sector in the entire global economy, in terms of its impact on the rest of the world.”

The reason: significant, productive economic activity is dependent on this sector.

Forty percent of Chinese steel use is related to property construction. China produces more steel than the next 10 steel producing countries combined, deeming it the most important procurer of iron ore, a key input for steel manufacturing.

Other essential steel manufacturing inputs are copper, cement, coal, and power generation.
These activities generate a significant amount of income that is used to purchase global products and services.

Today, the average home price in China equals 9 times average annual income. The price for luxury apartments in Versailles Residentiel de Luxe La Grand Maison, located in the city of Wenzhou, are 350 times average annual income.

The perspective: at the peak of the U.S. real estate bubble, this ratio was 5.1. It is currently near 3, the historic average.

Using the current income level in China, real estate prices would need to fall by two thirds to be sustainably priced. Should income rise 50% in the coming decade (4% per annum), prices could fall 50% to achieve a stable equilibrium.

In the past year, real estate transactions (sales) and prices have fallen dramatically. At the current rate, prices may drop 50% within over the coming decade.

This decline has been due to low income demand at the current price level and the tremendous supply of inventory (approximately 20 years based on current vacancies, pending projects, and future population projections).

Demand for property development is decreasing. Less construction translates into lower income, personal, corporate, and governmental (local government derives 40% of its income from property sales). Smaller incomes suggest lower demand for global products and services.

In addition, lower property values imply less collateral for future credit, thereby limiting growth prospects.

This portends poorly for the global economy.


China’s annual trade surplus has been halved since 2008 to roughly $150 billion. This reflects a decrease in export and import growth, with exports declining at a greater rate. This decline is partially a manifestation of decreased demand by the eurozone and China’s domestic market.

In recent years, China increased the required reserve ratio for bank deposits to limit monetary growth, reduce aggregate demand, and minimize inflationary pressures.

However, due to the impending global economic slowdown, China recently reduced the reserve requirement to foster economic growth.

Deleveraging of the massive global debt, which is 3 times global income, will reduce monetary velocity (transactions) and income over the next decade.

Increases in monetary aggregates, credit, and liquidity may provide meager assistance in the immediate term.
In fact, it will delay, and possibly exacerbate, the underlying economic dysfunction, thereby extending anemic global growth for years to come.


Moreover, the increased money supply, without much increase in value added product supply, will increase transaction demand for existing products, thereby placing upward price pressures.

Lower government revenues may require additional debt issuance at higher interest rates to attract scarce capital. Existing economies of scale may not be sufficient to offset a possible increase in borrowing costs. Upward pressure on retail prices may result, creating an inflationary spiral.

Global stagflation may be the new paradigm over the coming decade.

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http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article32185.html
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Well, the Chinese Economy certainly has been very significant in a Global context, certainly over the last few decades.

However, it has been slipping already (as shown in the chart at the following site), due to falling Global Demand and I strongly suspect that the current trends will not turn around, any time soon!

http://au.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=000001.SS#symbol=000001.ss;range=6m;compar...

Btw, OZ shareholders are again having an off day!
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Reply #706 - Dec 20th, 2011 at 11:47am
 
50 Economic Numbers From 2011 That Are Almost Too Crazy To Believe


Even though most Americans have become very frustrated with this economy, the reality is that the vast majority of them still have no idea just how bad our economic decline has been or how much trouble we are going to be in if we don't make dramatic changes immediately.  Just "tweaking" things here and there is not going to fix this economy.  We truly do need a fundamental change in direction.  America is consuming far more wealth than it is producing and our debt is absolutely exploding. 

Hopefully many of you will use the list below as a tool to help you share the reality of the U.S. economic crisis with your family and friends.  If we all work together, hopefully we can get millions of people to wake up and realize that "business as usual" will result in a national economic apocalypse.

The following are 50 economic numbers from 2011 that are almost too crazy to believe....
#1 A staggering 48 percent of all Americans are either considered to be "low income" or are living in poverty.

#2 Approximately 57 percent of all children in the United States are living in homes that are either considered to be "low income" or impoverished.

#3 If the number of Americans that "wanted jobs" was the same today as it was back in 2007, the "official" unemployment rate put out by the U.S. government would be up to 11 percent.

#4 The average amount of time that a worker stays unemployed in the United States is now over 40 weeks.

#5 One recent survey found that 77 percent of all U.S. small businesses do not plan to hire any more workers.

#6 There are fewer payroll jobs in the United States today than there were back in 2000 even though we have added 30 million extra people to the population since then.

#7 Since December 2007, median household income in the United States has declined by a total of 6.8% once you account for inflation.

#8 According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 16.6 million Americans were self-employed back in December 2006.  Today, that number has shrunk to 14.5 million.

#9 A Gallup poll from earlier this year found that approximately one out of every five Americans that do have a job consider themselves to be underemployed.

#10 According to author Paul Osterman, about 20 percent of all U.S. adults are currently working jobs that pay poverty-level wages.

#11 Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs.  Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs.

#12 Back in 1969, 95 percent of all men between the ages of 25 and 54 had a job.  In July, only 81.2 percent of men in that age group had a job.

#13 One recent survey found that one out of every three Americans would not be able to make a mortgage or rent payment next month if they suddenly lost their current job.

#14 The Federal Reserve recently announced that the total net worth of U.S. households declined by 4.1 percent in the 3rd quarter of 2011 alone.

#15 According to a recent study conducted by the BlackRock Investment Institute, the ratio of household debt to personal income in the United States is now 154 percent.

#16 As the economy has slowed down, so has the number of marriages.  According to a Pew Research Center analysis, only 51 percent of all Americans that are at least 18 years old are currently married.  Back in 1960, 72 percent of all U.S. adults were married.

#17 The U.S. Postal Service has lost more than 5 billion dollars over the past year.

#18 In Stockton, California home prices have declined 64 percent from where they were at when the housing market peaked.

#19 Nevada has had the highest foreclosure rate in the nation for 59 months in a row.

#20 If you can believe it, the median price of a home in Detroit is now just $6000.

#21 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 18 percent of all homes in the state of Florida are sitting vacant.  That figure is 63 percent larger than it was just ten years ago.

#22 New home construction in the United States is on pace to set a brand new all-time record low in 2011.

#23 As I have written about previously, 19 percent of all American men between the ages of 25 and 34 are now living with their parents.

#24 Electricity bills in the United States have risen faster than the overall rate of inflation for five years in a row.

#25 According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, health care costs accounted for just 9.5% of all personal consumption back in 1980.  Today they account for approximately 16.3%.

#26 One study found that approximately 41 percent of all working age Americans either have medical bill problems or are currently paying off medical debt.

#27 If you can believe it, one out of every seven Americans has at least 10 credit cards.

#28 The United States spends about 4 dollars on goods and services from China for every one dollar that China spends on goods and services from the United States.

#29 It is being projected that the U.S. trade deficit for 2011 will be 558.2 billion dollars.

#30 The retirement crisis in the United States just continues to get worse.  According to the Employee Benefit Research Institute, 46 percent of all American workers have less than $10,000 saved for retirement, and 29 percent of all American workers have less than $1,000 saved for retirement.

#31 Today, one out of every six elderly Americans lives below the federal poverty line.

#32 According to a study that was just released, CEO pay at America's biggest companies rose by 36.5% in just one recent 12 month period.

#33 Today, the "too big to fail" banks are larger than ever.  The total assets of the six largest U.S. banks increased by 39 percent between September 30, 2006 and September 30, 2011.

#34 The six heirs of Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton have a net worth that is roughly equal to the bottom 30 percent of all Americans combined.

#35 According to an analysis of Census Bureau data done by the Pew Research Center, the median net worth for households led by someone 65 years of age or older is 47 times greater than the median net worth for households led by someone under the age of 35.

#36 If you can believe it, 37 percent of all U.S. households that are led by someone under the age of 35 have a net worth of zero or less than zero.

#37 A higher percentage of Americans is living in extreme poverty (6.7%) than has ever been measured before.

#38 Child homelessness in the United States is now 33 percent higher than it was back in 2007.

#39 Since 2007, the number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent.

#40 Sadly, child poverty is absolutely exploding all over America.  According to the National Center for Children in Poverty, 36.4% of all children that live in Philadelphia are living in poverty, 40.1% of all children that live in Atlanta are living in poverty, 52.6% of all children that live in Cleveland are living in poverty and 53.6% of all children that live in Detroit are living in poverty.

#41 Today, one out of every seven Americans is on food stamps and one out of every four American children is on food stamps.

#42 In 1980, government transfer payments accounted for just 11.7% of all income.  Today, government transfer payments account for more than 18 percent of all income.

#43 A staggering 48.5% of all Americans live in a household that receives some form of government benefits.  Back in 1983, that number was below 30 percent.

#44 Right now, spending by the federal government accounts for about 24 percent of GDP.  Back in 2001, it accounted for just 18 percent.

#45 For fiscal year 2011, the U.S. federal government had a budget deficit of nearly 1.3 trillion dollars.  That was the third year in a row that our budget deficit has topped one trillion dollars.

#46 If Bill Gates gave every single penny of his fortune to the U.S. government, it would only cover the U.S. budget deficit for about 15 days.

#47 Amazingly, the U.S. government has now accumulated a total debt of 15 trillion dollars. When Barack Obama first took office the national debt was just 10.6 trillion dollars.

#48 If the federal government began right at this moment to repay the U.S. national debt at a rate of one dollar per second, it would take over 440,000 years to pay off the national debt.

#49 The U.S. national debt has been increasing by an average of more than 4 billion dollars per day since the beginning of the Obama administration.

#50 During the Obama administration, the U.S. government has accumulated more debt than it did from the time that George Washington took office to the time that Bill Clinton took office.

Of course the heart of our economic problems is the Federal Reserve.  The Federal Reserve is a perpetual debt machine, it has almost completely destroyed the value of the U.S. dollar and it has an absolutely nightmarish track record of incompetence.   

Hopefully next year more Americans than ever will wake up, because 2012 is going to represent a huge turning point for this country.

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http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1514/540/NL/?currentSplittedPage=0
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When combined with the situations in the other big Economic blocks, such as Europe & China, it becomes a little easier to see the BIG PICTURE?

Of course, in looking at the BIG PICTURE, it also helps to look at the BIG ECONOMIC DRIVERS -
1) Demographics - Aging Baby boomers and a slowing Total Population Growth, ahead of an actual Population Decline.
2) Peak Energy - Specifically Oil for now.
3) Peak Debt - With Many countries approaching a Debt to GDP ratio of 100%.
4) Climate Change - This will create Food shortages & a self re-enforcing adverse feedback loop, in terms of Economic Demand! 

Links for supporting data are in the original article.
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Reply #707 - Dec 20th, 2011 at 12:57pm
 
Those 50 facts on the USA economy are interesting.
This is an interesting take on the Chinese situation.
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What’s the latest news on the Chinese economy…?


The Chinese Economy and Australia: The Last of the Bubbles.


“Chinese authorities have barred the world’s largest rare earths producer from exporting due to ‘environmental concerns’, in a move likely to significantly affect global supply.” – Sydney Morning Herald

We’re sure it will affect supply. As the SMH notes, the barred company – Baotou Steel – “accounts for nearly half of the world’s rare earths production.”

But is it really due to “environmental concerns”?

Of course not.


The Western media often forgets dictators are masters in the art of spin. Think about it. If the Chinese economy cut exports because it wanted to prop up the price… or to disguise the fact that economic growth is hitting the skids… it would play havoc with the markets.

Hence the need for a convenient yarn… which is exactly what China has come up with.

Look, you don’t need to be Joseph Goebbels to figure out the environment is a hot topic in the West. So what better way to disguise a slowing economy than to claim it needs to cut rare earths exports to stop pollution?

It’s perfect.

China isn’t worried about polluting the water supply or digging up things it shouldn’t. It couldn’t care less.

Its bigger concern is stopping the Chinese economy from going into free-fall. The fact is people aren’t buying as much as they used to… the 40-year credit boom has run its course.

So the Chinese economy needs a way to suck more money into its manufacturing sector. The simple way is to make it harder for non-Chinese manufacturers to get hold of rare earths.

Remember, rare earths are one of the world’s most important elements. You can’t make flat panel TV screens, missile guidance systems, wind turbines or electric cars without them.

The kind of things China makes. The kind of things the Chinese economy would like to make more of.

Chinese Economy Slipping Toward Recession

Just three weeks ago, Bloomberg News reported:

“China’s manufacturing contracted for the first time since February 2009 as the property market cooled and Europe’s crisis cut export demand…”

Remember how bad things looked in 2009? And if you think the European debt crisis is a problem, just wait until China’s debt bubble pops.

As reported by Bloomberg News this week:

“A copy of Manhattan, complete with Rockefeller and Lincoln centers and what passes for the Hudson River, is under construction an hour’s train ride from Beijing…

“The planned 15.2 million square meters (164 million square feet) of office space by 2020 in Yujiapu and across the Hai River in Xiangluo Wan, or Conch Bay, is more than one-third of the 450 million square feet in Manhattan.”

These are the type of projects the China needs Aussie iron ore and copper to build. These are the type of projects that have supported Australia’s economic boom for nearly 10 years.

If the building program was sustainable it would be fine. If it was supply meeting demand it would be fine. But it isn’t. It’s supply hoping (praying) that the demand occurs.

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Reply #708 - Dec 20th, 2011 at 12:59pm
 
Ah, but China is a net saver, it has cash invested in all those U.S. government bonds – is the classic argument.

There’s one problem. Speculating Chinese local governments have most likely spent any savings China has in U.S. government bonds. How do we know? Read on…

China Has Blown its Savings

According to the U.S. Treasury, at the end of October, China held USD$1.134 trillion-worth of U.S. government bonds.

Bloomberg reports, the debts of 231 local government financing companies (there are 6,576 in total) amount to USD$622 billion.

Who knows what the total debt is for all 6,576 financing firms… USD$1 trillion? USD$2 trillion? $4 trillion? More?

Of course, the mainstream China bulls still believe China uses capital and resources effectively. China is a miracle – they say. China is a centrally planned economy and can therefore control its economy… It can engineer a soft economic landing.

Funnily enough, we heard a similar argument when the U.S. tried to slow its economy in the 2000s. In that case, they argued the central planners at the U.S. Federal Reserve could lift interest rates to cool the economy… and then drop them to stop a crash.

It didn’t work for them.

And it won’t work for the Chinese economy either. Any economy built on a credit bubble will eventually have to pay the consequences.

The U.S. and Europe are facing the consequences of their credit bubbles right now. Next is China and Australia… two of the last big economic bubbles to pop.

http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20111220/the-chinese-economy-and-australia-the-la...
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Reply #709 - Dec 20th, 2011 at 1:06pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 20th, 2011 at 12:57pm:
Those 50 facts on the USA economy are interesting.
This is an interesting take on the Chinese situation.
.........................................................

What’s the latest news on the Chinese economy…?


The Chinese Economy and Australia: The Last of the Bubbles.


“Chinese authorities have barred the world’s largest rare earths producer from exporting due to ‘environmental concerns’,
in a move likely to significantly affect global supply.” – Sydney Morning Herald

We’re sure it will affect supply. As the SMH notes, the barred company – Baotou Steel – “accounts for nearly half of the world’s rare earths production.”

But is it really due to “environmental concerns”?

Of course not.



The Western media often forgets dictators are masters in the art of spin. Think about it. If the Chinese economy cut exports because it wanted to prop up the price… or to disguise the fact that economic growth is hitting the skids… it would play havoc with the markets.

Hence the need for a convenient yarn… which is exactly what China has come up with.

Look, you don’t need to be Joseph Goebbels to figure out the environment is a hot topic in the West. So what better way to disguise a slowing economy than to claim it needs to cut rare earths exports to stop pollution?

It’s perfect.

China isn’t worried about polluting the water supply or digging up things it shouldn’t. It couldn’t care less.

Its bigger concern is stopping the Chinese economy from going into free-fall. The fact is people aren’t buying as much as they used to… the 40-year credit boom has run its course.

So the Chinese economy needs a way to suck more money into its manufacturing sector. The simple way is to make it harder for non-Chinese manufacturers to get hold of rare earths.

Remember, rare earths are one of the world’s most important elements. You can’t make flat panel TV screens, missile guidance systems, wind turbines or electric cars without them.

The kind of things China makes. The kind of things the Chinese economy would like to make more of.

Chinese Economy Slipping Toward Recession

Just three weeks ago, Bloomberg News reported:

“China’s manufacturing contracted for the first time since February 2009 as the property market cooled and Europe’s crisis cut export demand…”

Remember how bad things looked in 2009? And if you think the European debt crisis is a problem, just wait until China’s debt bubble pops.

As reported by Bloomberg News this week:

“A copy of Manhattan, complete with Rockefeller and Lincoln centers and what passes for the Hudson River, is under construction an hour’s train ride from Beijing…

“The planned 15.2 million square meters (164 million square feet) of office space by 2020 in Yujiapu and across the Hai River in Xiangluo Wan, or Conch Bay, is more than one-third of the 450 million square feet in Manhattan.”

These are the type of projects the China needs Aussie iron ore and copper to build. These are the type of projects that have supported Australia’s economic boom for nearly 10 years.

If the building program was sustainable it would be fine. If it was supply meeting demand it would be fine. But it isn’t. It’s supply hoping (praying) that the demand occurs.

cont....




Well, IF it were to be an Environmental concern, it would be the one & only for the Chinese!
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Reply #710 - Dec 20th, 2011 at 1:58pm
 
Reserve Bank of Australia expects global economic slowdown


THE possibility of further interest rate cuts hinges entirely on developments in Europe's government debt crisis, economists say.

In the minutes of its December board meeting, released today, the Reserve Bank of Australia warned economic growth was likely to stall in 2012.

The RBA cut interest rates by 25 basis points to 4.25 per cent at the meeting, citing economic instability in the eurozone.

In the minutes, the RBA said that growing turbulence in the eurozone - and the flow-on effects on world markets - had been a dominating factor in the decision.

"It seemed highly likely that the sovereign credit and banking problems would weigh heavily on economic activity there (in Europe) over the period ahead, and there was a non-trivial possibility of a very sharp contraction," the RBA said.


"Overall, members concluded that growth in the world economy was likely to weaken over the coming year."

However, ICAP senior economist Adam Carr said that, looking solely at domestic data, there was no reason for a rate cut.

He said the RBA had noted that the Australian economy was continuing to strengthen on the back of mining related investment growth.

"So obviously there's no need to cut interest rates there."

He said the central bank had made it clear that the possibility of further rate cuts next year hinged on events in Europe.

"There was no guidance but they gave us the signpost: Europe," he said.

"So we've just got to watch that," he said.

"If Europe doesn't stabilise then certainly they will cut again."

Deutsche bank senior economist Phil O'Donaghoe said European economic turmoil was the main driver of the December rate cut, as explained in the minutes.

"At face value, the board even notes that the story for the domestic economy suggests that there's no strong reason to cut interest rates, but we know that they did cut the cash rate," he said.

"The overall picture (for the Australian economy) is a healthy one in terms of aggregate demand, supported by the mining boom, but against that there are these very significant and uncertain headwinds from Europe.

"That's what's forced the RBA's hand."

The central bank was aware of how weakness in the eurozone could impact on global economies, including Australia's trading partners, Mr O'Donaghoe said.

"They're concluding that the most likely outcome is going to be weaker demand from Europe, and that's going to affect Asia," he said.

"That's consistent with our thinking - we're looking for another two rate cuts, and that's due to the general lack of confidence globally in the economic story.

"Uncertainty breeds an unwillingness to take investment decisions and consumption decisions, and therefore a weaker economic outlook," Mr O'Donaghoe said.

Westpac chief economist Bill Evans said the minutes highlighted just how concerned the RBA board has become with the European situation.

"With such clear emphasis being placed on Europe ... and likely underwhelming data on the labour market, the housing market and the consumer (spending), the case remains strong for a follow-up (rate cut) move in February with another 25 basis point cut timed for May," he said.

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What the RBA did not say, was that there was no apparent solution to the Europe & USA Debt binge, not that the underlying reasons for the Global slowdown were -
1) Demographics - Aging (Baby boomers) and a slowing Total Population Growth, ahead of an actual Population Decline, both in specific countries & Globally.
2) Peak Energy - Specificaly Oil now, followed shortly by Coal & Gas.
3) Peak Debt - With Many countries approaching a Debt to GDP ratio of 100%, with some already exceeding it, it takes away the usual Keynesian fixes, but neither will the usual Austrian fixes be able to be used, because in the current circumstances that would only exacberbate the Debt to GDP equilibrium.
4) Climate Change - Whatever one may think of the Human induced causes arguement, it is apparent that Climate Change is underway.
We are entering a period when our capacity to feed ourselves (Globally) will come under great strain, unless the Population falls significantly, which also creates a self re-enforcing adverse feedback loop, in terms of Economic Demand!
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Reply #711 - Dec 21st, 2011 at 10:50am
 
Where's the money coming from? Julia might have to hand over some more to help our European brothers and sisters out, after all we are doing really well over here.

Europe is urging G20 nations and other big contributors around the world to come to the aid of eurozone bailout efforts through the IMF.
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EU fails to raise 200-billion-euro fund as small nations suffer


The EU has failed to raise 200 billion euros to fund an IMF rescue loan for its indebted members. The sum was promised at a summit of EU leaders 10 days ago, and the fact that it has not materialized signals further rifts within the 27-member bloc.

­ The package European Union finance ministers have come up with is 50 billion euros short of what is deemed necessary to help debt-stricken nations avoid default.

The 200 billion fund became elusive after the UK – the biggest EU economy that does not use the euro – declined to contribute and pulled out of the deal being hammered out at the summit.

The extra International Monetary Fund loans are meant to be channeled into a special fund that will run alongside the eurozone's own bailout fund, the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) – the body created to combat financial crisis and rescue countries like Greece. The eurozone hopes that its own loans, which will come via national central banks, will encourage other non-European countries to also support Europe via the IMF.

The failure of EU countries to come up with the extra cash will come as little surprise given the financial mess prevailing in many states, some of which are struggling even to pay their membership bills.

Take Estonia, for example. On paper, it is one of the most prosperous economies of the Baltic region. On the other hand, it is the EU’s poorest country. And a full year after joining the eurozone, Estonians say the positive changes they were promised are nowhere to be seen.

“Recently, the European Commission checked our pensions. Our authorities told them we received an average pension of 600 euro. This is far from reality. Pensions in Greece reach 15 hundred euro, we here get around 200,” says Maria Linus, a pensioner from Maardu, Estonia.

Estonia adopted the euro last January, but despite a generally positive attitude towards the move, it is mostly big business and politicians who have really felt the benefits of the transition.

Glyn Ford, a former member of European Parliament says:  “There are clearly political advantages – locking Estonia firmly within the EU. And there are economic advantages as well, from the point of view of investment.”

But the euro adoption party has brought a painful hangover in its wake. In September, Estonia agreed to take part in the EFSF. Now, analysts are saying that membership is exacting a price Tallinn cannot afford to pay.

“The formula for us is very bad. We have to pay a much higher share, a much higher percentage from our GDP than rich countries – something more than nine per cent from our budget,” Professor Ivar Raig of Tallinn University Law School told RT. “Estonia is EU’s poorest country and now we have to pay the debt of much richer states.”

The country's central bank has even warned of a possible recession if the situation in the eurozone continues to deteriorate.

Recent polls suggest up to 60 per cent of Estonians are now against their country's membership of the EFSF, with some saying they would rather help Greece with potatoes and firewood than see their pension money heading there.

The government however, appears to be paying scant attention and is refusing to pull out of the relief fund.

Adopting the euro sooner or later was a necessary condition for Estonia to join the EU, but being part of the EFSF was not in the agreement. And while some economists are beginning to question whether Estonia should continue remain in this organization, ordinary people are left counting the cost and wondering why and whether they should have to pay someone else’s debt.

http://rt.com/news/eu-rebel-estonia-euro-207/print/
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Reply #712 - Dec 21st, 2011 at 1:10pm
 
DOW up 334 on Hopium!


The DOW had a big rise overnight, based on hope, arising from US Construction figures and the OZ market has dutifully risen today, in sympathy.

That said, I would counsel against getting overly excited about a new boom, any time soon, given the longer term influence of the major Economic factors, which are predominantly negative!

To illustrate what I'm saying above, the following article by a US Funds manager, John Hussman.
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When "Positive Surprises" Are Surprisingly Meaningless


In order to properly understand economic "surprises," it's important to recognize that unlike actual economic data, where fluctuations have to do with, well, the actual economy, economic surprises are - by definition - measured relative to the subjective expectations of economists and Wall Street analysts. Unfortunately, analysts tend to be all-or-none. Instead of allowing for a normal ebb-and-flow of data, they form expectations that overshoot both on the pessimistic side and on the optimistic side. As a result, once the economy experiences an initial softening, expectations turn lower, often very aggressively. Over the following weeks, economic data can continue to be fairly soft, but because expectations have collapsed, the new data is interpreted as being "above expectations." After a while, that experience of positive surprises causes analysts to over-correct by forming overly optimistic expectations, which is predictably followed by a period where the data, unless it is spectacular, almost cannot help but disappoint.

My observation is that this cycle of optimism and pessimism tends to run just over 20 weeks in each direction, though that is certainly not a magic number of any kind, and is best interpreted as a tendency.

"Historians would notice that all major equity bubbles (like those in the U.S. in 1929 and 1965 and in Japan in 1989) broke way below trend line values and stayed there for years.

GMO has looked at the 10 biggest bubbles of the pre-2000 era and has calculated that it typically takes 14 years to recover to the old trend.

"For the record, Exhibit 1 shows what the S&P 500 might look like from today if it followed the average flight path of the 10 burst bubbles described above. Not very pretty."
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We can't disagree, though I also believe there still remains some short-run ability of policymakers to distort market forces, to badly misallocate capital in the process, and to wreck the economy more thoroughly in the long-run.

My suspicion is that analysts whose understanding of the investment markets is based solely on experience since the 1990's have absolutely no idea how far outside of that sample most of history lives.

Facing a global economic downturn
In the past few months, our own measures of economic risk have remained persistently unfavorable, as have the indications from the Economic Cycle Research Institute (ECRI).

I suspect that we are on the cusp of observable economic deterioration.

To extend the evidence beyond our own measures and ECRI's analysis, the chart below presents data (through October) from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, an international quasi-governmental agency that sets international standards on a wide range of economic policy issues. The OECD publishes its own set of leading economic indicators on developed and developing countries. Notably, we've never observed deterioration to the extent that we presently observe, except when the U.S. was in or entering a recession.
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" Present conditions cluster with other historical instances that have often accompanied abrupt 10-20% market plunges - not so consistently that we can use that outcome as a forecast for this particular instance, but often enough to define the present return/risk environment as unusually hostile.

That said, we continue to recognize a slight seasonal bias to the last 10 days of the year in post-war data.

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So, good luck to all, a merry Christmas & watch the Debt!
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Reply #713 - Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:12pm
 
Economy Contributes to Slowest Population Growth Rate Since ’40s


WASHINGTON — The population of the United States grew this year at its slowest rate since the 1940s, the Census Bureau reported on Wednesday, as the gloomy economy continued to depress births and immigration fell to its lowest level since 1991.

The first measure of the American population in the new decade offered fresh evidence that the economic trouble that has plagued the country for the past several years continues to make its effects felt.

The population grew by 2.8 million people from April 2010 to July 2011, according to the bureau’s new estimates. The annual increase, about 0.7 percent when calculated for the year that ended in July 2011, was the smallest since 1945, when the population fell by 0.3 percent in the last year of World War II.

“The nation’s overall growth rate is now at its lowest point since before the baby boom,” the Census Bureau director, Robert M. Groves, said in a statement.

The sluggish pace puts the country “in a place we haven’t been in a very long time,” said William H. Frey, senior demographer at the Brookings Institution. “We don’t have that vibrancy that fuels the economy and people’s sense of mobility,” he said. “People are a bit aimless right now.”

Underlying the modest growth was an immigration level that was the lowest in 20 years. The net increase of immigrants to the United States for the year that ended in July was an estimated 703,000, the smallest since 1991, Mr. Frey said, when the immigrant wave that dates to the 1970s began to pick up pace. It peaked in 2001, when the net increase of immigrants was 1.2 million, and was still above 1 million in 2006. But it slowed substantially when the housing market collapsed, and the jobs associated with its boom that were popular among immigrants disappeared.

“Net immigration from Mexico is close to zero, and we haven’t seen that in at least 40 years,” said Jeffrey S. Passel, senior demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center. “We are in a very different kind of immigration situation.”

Economic trauma tends to depress births. In the Great Depression, the birth rate fell by a third, Mr. Johnson said.

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Demographics is one of the major Economic influencing factors, of the modern era, along with Cheap & available Energy, Innovation and a favorable Global Climate.

By Demographics, I mean the unrelenting Growth in Population and therefore Growth in Demand for Products & Services AND this was never more evident than during the Golden years of the Great Baby Boom, roughly from 1945-2005.

This Peak period was actually cut a little short, in the USA, and to a somewhat lesser extent elsewhere, due to the events of 9/11.

Whilst the article says, the "Economy Contributes to Slowest Population Growth Rate", it also acts in reverse, with a slowing Population Growth contributing to a slowing Economic Growth rate!

It's a bit like the self re-enforcing, adverse Climate Change Feedback loops!

Anyway, this situation has already started in Japan, the USA & parts of Europe, with most of the rest of the world now following, including China!
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<<“Net immigration from Mexico is close to zero, and we haven’t seen that in at least 40 years,” >>
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This is an interesting point. As North America falls, South America is rising.

We could have a complete turn about with the American's escaping poverty by jumping the border into Mexico.

No wonder they say 'what goes around comes around'.
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Reply #715 - Dec 23rd, 2011 at 11:57am
 
James Kostohryz Positions For 2012: 100% Cash The Only Way To Play This Market


James Kostohryz is a proprietary investor and trader. He also serves institutions as a portfolio consultant specializing in global investment strategy. James was formerly Global Strategist and Head of Global Equity Proprietary Trading for a major financial institution.

Seeking Alpha (SA): How would you generally describe your investing style/philosophy?

James Kostohryz (JK): My investment philosophy is highly unconventional within the investment world.

My view is that for the vast majority of ordinary investors, being fully invested (as their default asset allocation) leads to mediocre performance at best – and will most likely lead to bad performance. This is true for two reasons.

First, by definition average investors have no competitive advantage as stock or fund pickers. Thus, mediocre performance is by definition the best most fully invested average investors can ever hope for.

Second, being passively fully invested means that investors will be overexposed to equities during bear markets. It is my view that it is both dangerous and unrealistic to expect average investors to hold on to investment positions during bear market cycles. Most investors are not emotionally equipped to handle conditions in which large losses of perceived wealth are sustained and even greater losses are feared.

Despite all of the warnings by the investment industry to stay fully invested, mass fear during bear market cycles causes most investors to sell at or near the bottom. Subsequently, these same investors only get back into markets when all seems well and market prices are at or near tops. This sort of behavior is almost inevitable for most individuals and it obviously results in sub-par performance.

As a result, I believe that the default position for most investors should be to hold a very high weighting of relatively risk-free investments such as cash and short-term bonds. I believe that a high weighting towards risky assets such as equities should only be made if and when a high level of conviction in an investment thesis has been developed in which favorable macro, micro and technical factors converge. In particular, investors should deploy cash after the equity markets have sustained large losses.

As a practical matter, this means a successful investment strategy for most individuals must place a primary emphasis on avoiding bear markets. This implies being willing to take profits during bull markets and leaving potentially illusory gains “on the table.”

By studiously avoiding bear markets, investors will be more financially and emotionally equipped to purchase stocks when the herd is selling, valuations are cheap and long-term expected returns are optimal.

SA: Which asset classes are you overweight? Which are you underweight? Why?

JK: I am strongly overweight cash. I am underweight or short every other asset class. At present time, economic and financial risks are at historic dimensions. I believe that cash is by far the best investment at this time on a reward/risk basis.

Investors should make a special effort to invest their cash with an emphasis on safety over yield. I repeat, safety over yield is key. 


SA: Do you believe gold is a genuine hedge in uncertain markets?

JK: Over very long periods of time, gold tends to preserve its purchasing power relative to consumer goods. Therefore, over time, the purchasing power of gold measured in consumer goods neither increases nor decreases and tends to mean-revert.

Furthermore, it is not generally understood that the value of gold relative to various investment goods and gross national income per capita doesn't hold up well over time. It is a fact that over long periods of time, holders of gold become poorer than holders of other investment assets.

On a purchasing power parity basis, gold is currently extremely over-valued versus just about any asset that can be named – equities, real estate or a basket of goods and services such as the CPI. Therefore, at current prices gold is not a genuine instrument of wealth preservation on a long-term basis. To the contrary, over long periods of time, investors in gold can expect to become poorer on an absolute basis (measured by purchasing power) and significantly impoverished on a relative basis compared to investors in other asset classes (on a net worth basis).

Having said that, on a 1-5 year time horizon, I believe gold will probably make substantially higher highs as a result of heightened fears of inflation. These fears will be triggered by aggressively expansive central bank policies in response to economic crises around the world.

SA: International equities proved volatile for both developed and developing markets over the past 2 years. Do you see a clear winner going forward?

JK: Within major developed nations, the US is emerging as a clear winner. It has the best demographics, the best productivity profile and the most manageable debt dynamics amongst the major developed nations.

SA: Where are the real growth stories overseas right now?

JK: The idea of emerging markets 'de-coupling' is fundamentally exaggerated. Emerging market economies are highly vulnerable to the business cycle in developed markets – and they will remain so for many years until their growth models become more based on broad-based internal growth dynamics.

SA: How do you recommend investors with a long-term horizon, a reasonable risk tolerance and spare cash to play this market? Can you offer some specific funds or names you are recommending at present time?

JK: I have nothing to recommend here at this moment. My recommendation is cash.

SA: When you say ‘cash’, do you recommend investors unload the bulk of their stock and bond positions at present time?

JK: As you know, financial advice can ultimately only be proffered on an individual basis. Every investor has different considerations that must be taken into account. Having said that, in general, I believe the vast majority of investors would be best served by raising large quantities of cash at the present time.

SA: Are China, India or other major Emerging Markets better positioned to withstand a serious global economic downturn than the US?

JK: I do not recommend exposure to emerging markets stocks or bonds at the present time. Emerging markets are not better positioned to withstand a serious global economic slowdown than the US. Quite the contrary. These economies are highly dependent on global growth and global financial flows – both of which may be greatly disrupted in the event of a European crisis.

SA: What is the ideal asset allocation for someone with a long-term horizon (greater than a decade) and no need to touch their investments? Can investors continue to rely on stocks after the 'lost decade' we just experienced?

JK: If the time horizon is 20 years or more, a well-diversified portfolio of US and international stocks will outperform bonds, cash or gold. However, for at least the next few months, during this period of extraordinary risk, cash is by far the most attractive asset to own.

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As usual, there are issues where I agree with the advice given and also points where I would disagree.

I certainly agree that Cash is currently king, but I would suggest the danger time line is considerably longer than a couple of months.

In fact, all of 2012 is looking to be a likely pivotal period!

However, unlike previous Recessions, where equities bounced back (eventually) & substantial gains where enjoyed, I contend that "this time really will be different", as pretty much all of the Global Macro influencing factors are set on negative for at least a couple of decades, and they are -
1) Demographics - Aging (Baby boomers) and a slowing Total Population Growth, ahead of an actual Population Decline, both in specific countries & Globally.
2) Peak Energy - Specificaly Oil now, followed shortly by Coal & Gas.
3) Peak Debt - With Many countries approaching a Debt to GDP ratio of 100%, with some already exceeding it, it takes away the usual Keynesian fixes, but neither will the usual Austrian fixes be able to be used, because in the current circumstances that would only exacberbate the Debt to GDP equilibrium.
4) Climate Change - Whatever one may think of the Human induced causes arguement, it is apparent that Climate Change is underway.
We are entering a period when our capacity to feed ourselves (Globally) will come under great strain, unless the Population falls significantly, which also creates a self re-enforcing adverse feedback loop, in terms of Economic Demand!
5) Innovation - ???

In terms of the US having better Demographics, I suggest that may be found wanting!

In terms of "emerging Economies" decoupling, I agree, it's not going to happen!


PS - My best to Qikvtek, on his holiday & I hope he has plenty of available Cash?
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Reply #716 - Dec 27th, 2011 at 10:29am
 
UK faces bleak 2012 and risk of recession's return, warns thinktank


The UK economy faces a bleak 2012 and risks tumbling back into recession as a result of confidence-crushing austerity measures and the crisis in the eurozone, a new report warns.

The Institute for Public Policy Research says the only good news for consumers is that inflation will fall and so the squeeze on households' spending power will end – "at least for those who keep their jobs".

The thinktank's chief economist, Tony Dolphin, says during 2011 growth was lower than expected, unemployment higher and public sector borrowing greater. Looking ahead, he sees no obvious way to shore up the economy.
"In the short term, economic policy has become a matter of hoping that something turns up
– and that is why, for the UK economy, 2012 is unlikely to be a happy new year.


"As we enter 2012, it seems the word that best describes the outlook for the UK economy is 'bleak'. The eurozone crisis is unresolved and country after country is being forced to adopt extreme austerity measures that will result in large falls in output." He highlights the assessments of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development and the UK's Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) that "the UK economy is teetering on the brink of a return to recession".

"These forecasts all come with the warning that things could get a lot worse in the eurozone, and if they do then the UK would fall into a serious recession," adds Dolphin.

The OECD has warned that Britain will go back into recession this winter because of a fresh increase in unemployment, a squeeze on family budgets, government spending cuts and the eurozone crisis.

The thinktank, which advises more than 30 developed countries, rejects George Osborne's argument that an expanding private sector could soak up public sector job losses and warns that dole queues will lengthen to more than 9% of the working population as growth slows.

The OBR, whose forecasts are used by the Treasury, has a similarly bleak labour market outlook. It sees unemployment rising from 8.3% now to 8.7% in 2012. At the time of the government's autumn statement on the economy, the independent body slashed its growth outlook as well. It now expects growth of just 0.9% this year and an even weaker 0.7% next year, compared with a previous forecast of 2.5%.

It puts the chances of recession in the near term at one in three, while other economists put the likelihood much higher and reckon growth has already ground to a halt or may even have slipped into negative territory.

The IPPR wants the coalition government to temper its austerity drive, which includes hundreds of thousands of public sector job cuts, to take more account of growth. "When growth is strong, tightening can be speeded up, but when growth is weak, as now, then tightening should be slowed down," the thinktank argues.

It also wants specific measures to boost the economy such as bringing forward the creation of a national investment bank.

Dolphin says even talk of austerity could send the UK into a double dip. "Going into 2012, the risk is that talk of austerity at home and crisis in Europe will dampen spirits to such an extent that the economy drifts into recession," he says.

"If the economy does find itself back in recession, it is likely to have to find its own way out of it. There are ultimately only three solutions: the government decides to increase public spending, or overseas demand for UK output increases substantially, or UK households and companies are given some reason to spend more.

"The first is not going to happen, the second is extremely unlikely, and so we left with the third. But with no prospect of tax cuts or lower interest rates, it is not clear what in the short term the catalyst for more spending by the private sector will be."


The IPPR echoes the predictions of Bank of England policymakers that inflation will fall over the coming year, easing pressure on households grappling with soaring prices and minimal wage rises.

Inflation currently stands at 4.8%, more than double the average annual pay growth of 2%. The Bank's monetary policy committee argues, however, that as this year's VAT rise drops out of calculations and commodity prices ease, inflation will come back down towards the government-set 2% target.

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As I have said previously, there is no  way that Aus-terity is going to solve our current Global dilemma's, so the usual Austrian Economic fixes are not available!

However, far too many countries, particularly the large Western Economies, are already too much into Debt and therefore the usual Keynesian fixes are also not available!

Given the following are the current Major Economic influencing factors and that they will remain so, for quite some time, it would seem we have "catch 22 problems", on a once in history scale!

1) Demographics - Aging (Baby boomers) and a slowing Total Population Growth, ahead of an actual Population Decline, both in specific countries & Globally.
2) Peak Energy - Specifically Oil now, followed shortly by Coal & Gas.
3) Peak Debt - With Many countries approaching a Debt to GDP ratio of 100%, with some already exceeding it, it takes away the usual Keynesian fixes, but neither will the usual Austrian fixes be able to be used, because in the current circumstances that would only exacerbate the Debt to GDP equilibrium.
4) Climate Change - Whatever one may think of the Human induced causes argument, it is apparent that Climate Change is underway.
We are entering a period when our capacity to feed ourselves (Globally) will come under great strain, unless the Population falls significantly, which also creates a self re-enforcing adverse feedback loop, in terms of Economic Demand! 
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5) Innovation - ???

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Create renewable energy industries on a massive scale.
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andrei will love this;

abcnewsABC News
Brazil overtakes Britain as world's sixth-largest economy http://bit.ly/see7bG
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andrei will love this;

abcnewsABC News
Brazil overtakes Britain as world's sixth-largest economy http://bit.ly/see7bG


I liked the embedded video in the story underneath the Brazil/UK story -
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-27/polar-bear-cub-opens-eyes/3748424
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