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Reply #600 - Oct 12th, 2011 at 7:47am
 
It seems to me that the problem is simplistic and unavoidable.
If we hold true to our capitalist ideals, then we are sunk.

Unfortunately the energy requirements aren't avialable to sustain the idealistic capitalist model. It was always just a pipe dream anyway.

Realistically, we need to rape and pillage as we have always done.
And we will do it again and again, because we are the superior ones.

Nope, we surely cannot afford to sacrifice our dwindling energy supplies on benevolence. We are only benevolent when we have excess for the plebs.
We are not benevolent. We are greedy. Left and right wingers alike.

That's a fact that we must face before anything can improve.

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Reply #601 - Oct 12th, 2011 at 8:56am
 
Unemployment's Here To Stay


There’s no particularly good news in these numbers. For every glimmer of good news, like the upward revisions to previous reports totaling 100,000 new jobs or so, there’s an offsetting piece of bad news, like the broad U6 unemployment rate jumping up to 16.5% from 16.2%.

And the number of people unemployed for more than six months is now 6.24 million — up by 208,000. The long-term unemployed — the least employable of the unemployed, and the most intractable problem in terms of getting America back to work — are now 44.6% of the total, up from 42.9% last month, and 41.8% a year ago.

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A few observations -
1) Whilst the headline Employment numbers went up by 103,000, included in that number were some 45,000 telecommunications workers who had been on strike in August, so "real hirings' were actually only 58,000.
2) US Employment needs to be around 150,000 each month, purely to keep up with Population growth. So, anything less that 150,000 per month, they are not just standing still, they are actually in decline!
3) Employment generation has averaged around 72,000 per month, for the last 6 months, which suggests the US Economy is now stuck in the wrong gear!
4) The long term Unemployed are trending towards being half of all the Unemployed and many may remain permanently Unemployed?

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Reply #602 - Oct 12th, 2011 at 6:51pm
 
Slovakia said NO!


The parliament of tiny Slovakia stalled the expansion of a bailout fund to rescue the euro zone from its debt crisis on Tuesday, but international lenders said they were likely to grant a loan to Greece next month, buying time for a broader response.

European Central Bank chief Jean-Claude Trichet said the debt crisis had become systemic and must be tackled decisively.

Slovakia is the only country in the 17-member currency zone that has yet to approve giving new powers to the European Financial Stability Fund. The expansion was agreed by euro zone leaders in July but must be ratified by each country.

The failure in the Slovak parliament underlines the difficulty of forging a united response to the worsening debt crisis in a currency zone where all 17 member states must act in concert, and voters are increasingly angry at the growing costs.

Leaders are struggling to find a response that would protect euro zone banks if Greece defaults on its debts.

For now, Athens needs an immediate infusion of cash within weeks just to meet state payrolls.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/11/eurozone-idUSL5E7LB1JM20111011
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Reply #603 - Oct 12th, 2011 at 7:28pm
 
You don't need an economics degree to work this out.
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Think the GFC was big? You ain't seen nothing yet

Australian economist Steve Keen said the ingredients are there for another financial meltdown.

......But the points I grasped were clear enough. We're stuffed: stuffed to a degree that scarcely anyone yet appreciates.

Professor Steve Keen was one of the few economists to predict the financial crisis. While the OECD and the US Federal Reserve foresaw a "great moderation", unprecedented stability and steadily rising wealth, he warned that a crash was bound to happen. Now he warns that the same factors that caused the crash show that what we've heard so far is merely the first rumble of the storm. Without a radical change of policy, another Great Depression is all but inevitable.

The problem is spelled out at greater length in the new edition of his book Debunking Economics. Like his lecture, it is marred by some unattractive boasting and jostling. But the graphs and figures it contains provide a more persuasive account of the causes of the crash and of its likely evolution than anything that has yet emerged from Constitution Avenue or Threadneedle Street. This is complicated, but it's in your interests to understand it. So please bear with me while I do my best to explain.

The official view, as articulated by Ben Bernanke, chairman of the Federal Reserve, is that both the first Great Depression and the current crisis were caused by a lack of base money. Base money, or M0, is money that the central bank creates. It forms the reserves held by private banks, on the strength of which they issue loans to their clients. This practice is called fractional reserve banking: by issuing amounts of debt several times greater than their reserves, the private banks create money that didn't exist before. Conventional economic theory predicts that when the central bank raises M0, this triggers a "money multiplier": private banks generate more credit money (M1, M2 and M3), boosting economic growth and employment.

Bernanke, echoing claims by Milton Friedman, believed that the first Great Depression in the US was propelled by a fall in the supply of M0, which, he said, "reinforced . . . declines in the money multiplier". But, Keen shows, there is a weak association between M0 supply and depression. There were six occasions after the second world war when M0 supply fell faster than it did in 1928 and 1929. On five of these occasions there was a recession, but nothing resembling the scale of what happened at the end of the 1920s. In some cases unemployment rose when the rate of M0 growth was high and fell when it was low: results that defy Bernanke's explanation. Professor Keen argues that it's not changes in M0 that drive unemployment, but unemployment that triggers changes in M0: governments issue more cash when the economy runs into trouble.

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Reply #604 - Oct 12th, 2011 at 7:30pm
 
He proposes an entirely different explanation for the Great Depression and the current crisis. Both events, he says, were triggered by a collapse in debt-financed demand. Aggregate demand in an economy like ours is composed of GDP plus the change in the level of debt. It is the sudden and extreme change in debt levels that makes demand so volatile and triggers recessions. The higher the level of private debt, relative to GDP, the more unstable the system becomes. And the more of this debt that takes the form of Ponzi finance — borrowing money to fund financial speculation — the worse the impact will be.

Keen shows how, from the late 1960s onwards, private sector debt in the US began to exceed GDP. It built up to wildly unstable levels from the late 1990s, peaking in 2008. The inevitable collapse in this rate of lending pulled down aggregate demand by 14 per cent, triggering recession.

This should be easy enough to see with the benefit of hindsight, but what lends weight to Keen's analysis is that he saw it with the benefit of foresight. In December 2005, while drafting an expert witness report for a court case, he looked up the ratio of private debt to GDP in his native Australia, to see how it had changed since the 1960s. He was astonished to discover that it had risen exponentially. He then did the same for the United States, with similar results. He immediately raised the alarm: here, he warned, were the conditions for an economic crisis far greater than those of the mid-1970s and early 1990s. A massive speculative bubble was close to bursting point. Needless to say, he was ignored by policymakers.

Now, he tells us, a failure to address these problems will ensure that this crisis will run and run. The "debt-deflationary forces" unleashed today "are far larger than those that caused the Great Depression". In the 1920s, private debt rose by 50 per cent. Between 1999 and 2009, it rose by 140 per cent. The debt-to-GDP ratio in the US is still much higher than it was when the Great Depression began.

If Keen is right, the crippling sums spent on both sides of the Atlantic on refinancing the banks are a complete waste. They have not and will not kickstart the economy, because M0 money supply is not the determining factor.

President Barack Obama justified the bank bailout on the grounds that "a dollar of capital in a bank can actually result in eight or 10 dollars of loans to families and businesses. So that's a multiplier effect." But the money multiplier didn't happen. The $1.3 trillion that Bernanke injected scarcely raised the amount of money in circulation: the 110 per cent increase in M0 money led not to the 800 per cent or 1000 per cent increase in M1 money that Obama predicted, but a rise of just 20 per cent The bailouts failed because M0 was not the cause of the crisis. The money would have achieved far more had it simply been given to the public. But, as Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy demonstrated at the weekend, governments have learned nothing from this failure, and seek only to repeat it.

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http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/politics/think-the-gfc-was-big-you-aint-seen-n...
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Reply #605 - Oct 12th, 2011 at 7:33pm
 
the final paragraphs of the article. Too interesting to leave out.
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Instead, Keen says, the key to averting or curtailing a second Great Depression is to reduce the levels of private debt, through a unilateral write-off, or jubilee. The irresponsible loans the banks made should not be honoured. This will mean taking many banks into receivership. Otherwise private debt will sort itself out by traditional means: mass bankruptcy, which will generate an even greater crisis.

These are short-term measures. I would like to see them leading to a radical reappraisal of our economic aims and moves to develop a steady-state economy, of the kind proposed by Herman Daly and Tim Jackson. Governments and central bankers now have an unprecedented opportunity to learn from the catastrophic mistakes they've made. It is an opportunity they seem determined not to take.

Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/politics/think-the-gfc-was-big-you-aint-seen-nothing-yet-20111011-1litt.html#ixzz1aYg37UAk
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Reply #606 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 6:27pm
 
Economic theory and the Real Great Contraction


The contemporary debate over the future of natural resources features two competing theories of economics.

The view that dominates all economic policy and theory today is rooted in the work of Adam Smith, published from 1759 to 1776. It holds that self-interest, if unimpeded by regulation, can be harnessed and trusted to produce socially desirable outcomes. His argument was that free trade maximizes the utility of producers to ration the demand of scarce resources and allocate them via an “invisible hand” to consumers with the highest marginal demand more efficiently than allocation by dictate could. History proved him right: the world’s supply of energy has continued to increase steadily ever since.

Smith wrote his seminal book, The Wealth of Nations, after becoming enamored of the Physiocracy theory emerging in France. It viewed the entire economy as being built upon agricultural output, which it mostly was. In Smith’s time, the world was primarily powered by our most ancient energy sources: plants, wind and water. The exploitation of coal had only just begun, and the steam engine had only just been invented. The age of oil wouldn’t even begin for another 140 years.

The competing view holds that the world is approaching “peak everything.” Peak oil, peak coal, peak gas, peak food, peak water, and ultimately, peak population. At some point the supply of these critical resources can no longer be increased; they will peak, and then decline, taking economic productivity down with them. Or in economic terms, the price at which new supply can be offered to the market will be a price that the market can’t support.

Being of a scientific mind, I prefer data over faith, which puts me in the latter camp.

When oil got to $120 per barrel in 2008 it cut into real productivity, and forced the world’s most developed economies to shrink. At $147, it wreaked serious damage. The subsequent economic crash took oil prices all the way down to $33 a barrel within six months. U.S. petroleum demand declined by nearly two million barrels per day (mbpd) from 2007 through 2009, of which 85 percent was lost in the commercial and industrial sector.

Every dollar of gross domestic product up until 2005 was generated on the back of cheap and easy oil. Without energy, there can be no economic activity. When global conventional crude oil production hit its peak-plateau in 2005, ending its 150-year-long trajectory of growth, it appears that global GDP per capita did too. Further, the last three major recessions in the U.S. all occurred after petroleum expenditures rose to more than 5.5 percent of GDP.

At more than nine percent of GDP, we are well above that threshold again today.


But under modern laissez-faire economic theory, perpetual economic growth is axiomatic and mandatory. It is built into all our assumptions and our generally accepted accounting practices. It is presumed by the issuance of sovereign debt and the printing of money, both of which are essentially claims on future productivity. Growth must be maintained, at all costs. This presumption justified the creation of financial instruments like mortgage-backed securities based on no-money-down loans, to juice up a housing sector that would have gone flat if only truly creditworthy borrowers could buy a house. It justified trillions of dollars worth of Keynesian stimulus since 2007, and many economists argue that trillions more are needed still.

In short, when the gas tank on the engine of economic growth ran low, we turned to inflating monetary bubbles, and stuffed those in the tank. It created the temporary illusion of a bit more economic growth, but it came at the cost of several future generations’ worth of debt.

Despite these obvious facts, the entire world still assumes that growth will continue. Everyone thinks the world will get to nine billion people by 2050, when seven billion today are already encountering fierce competition for food and fuel. Every economic model offered by government agencies projects at least a 1.5 percent annual growth rate for another two decades.

Just as a fish has no concept of water, the faith that technology will somehow produce enough food and fuel to feed those nine billion is so embedded into our thoughts, so intrinsic to the economic theories we have been taught, that it isn’t even questioned. There is no need to worry about the declining energy content of our fuels, and the declining supply of basic agricultural nutrients like phosphorus. We needn’t bother with the fact that the net energy (the energy left over after subtracting the energy expended in production; also known as energy return on investment, or EROI) of all our major fuels is in long-term decline. The invisible hand will provide! Always!

I maintain that all of these beliefs are wrong. They are based on faith, not current realities, and they misconstrue what Adam Smith actually believed. They are as bankrupt intellectually as our economy is financially.
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Reply #607 - Oct 14th, 2011 at 6:35pm
 
Economic theory and the Real Great Contraction (Cont)


Not only are we finding it painfully expensive and difficult to produce new resources, the so-called free market no longer provides socially beneficial results. It now produces crashing global fish populations, depleted and vanishing topsoil, water in the Gulf of Mexico contaminated by blown-out oil wells and the runoff of agricultural fertilizers, hundreds of square miles of landscapes rendered lifeless in the pursuit of coal and tar sands, totally unsupportable and dysfunctional topographies of cars and roads and suburbs, and air so filthy that last week Milan banned all vehicles from its streets and Beijing’s air is rated as “hazardous” or worse nearly every day.

Modern economic theory has no plan to address these very real problems. Indeed, it is utterly blind to them. It has no ambition to achieve a sustainable result. It does not capture the time value of use; it only serves to bring supply to market as quickly as demand warrants, which is particularly unfortunate when our most rational strategy now would be to make the last half of our oil endowment last as long as possible, not to use it as quickly as possible.

The reason we like laissez-faire capitalism is not because it’s intrinsically correct and comprehensive, but because it only asks us to do what we want to do, and confers a mantle of legitimacy upon self-interest. But if you look closely at the data on fossil fuels, agricultural inputs, arable land, water, and all the rest of the resources necessary for human life and economic growth, it’s clear that the situation has changed. We have reached the end of growth, no matter how much faith we have to the contrary.

The Great Contraction
The question we now must ask is: What comes after the end of growth? The answer should be obvious.

While crude remains on its current production plateau, OECD economies may expect growthless stagnation. Oil has become a zero-sum market, where the OECD’s loss in demand owing to high prices, staggering debt, and anemic growth will be the gain of emerging economies as they work their way up the economic ladder.
When crude begins its inevitable, terminal decline somewhere around 2014 or 2015, depriving the world of about two percent of its primary energy supply every year, it will slowly strangle economic output, under a scenario I call the Real Great Contraction.


After oil begins its decline, gas and coal will too. By roughly 2030, 78 percent of our current global primary energy supply will be in decline. There is no way that renewables can make up that loss in time to prevent economic decline.

The world would need to build the equivalent of all existing renewable energy capacity every year just to make up for the decline of oil, let alone coal and gas. Since that is unlikely, the only remaining option is to reduce demand through efficiency gains. Given that the world is nowhere near on a trajectory to make enough efficiency gains to maintain even a flat economy, it must contract.

The modern interpretation of Smith’s invisible hand — that the market can always call forth adequate resources at an acceptable price — is self-evidently not true. It is merely a misreading of Smith’s theory, an artifact of developing economic theory in an age of energy surplus. Take that surplus away, and it doesn’t work anymore. High prices can still ration demand, but they cannot call forth adequate supply.

The connection between abundant, cheap energy and economic growth, and the phase transition from an age of surplus to an age of less, continues to confound and elude mainstream economists.

Rather than admitting that the fiction of wealth (money) is overextended far past its basis in real wealth (hard assets), we demand that our economic oracles perform rituals to appease the gods, dropping paper money from helicopters like some sort of cargo cult.

The Physiocrats of the late 18th century believed mankind would eventually overshoot its resources, since land is finite. (The emerging contemporary field of biophysical economics follows in that tradition.) That they could not have imagined the wealth of fossil fuels yet to be exploited does not disprove their thesis; it merely delayed it, and ensured that when human demands finally do overwhelm the capacity of a finite planet to satisfy them, the overshoot and crash will be spectacular.

Lacking energy alternatives that can be scaled and substituted for fossil fuels within two or three decades, true believers in free market theory must now hang their hopes on science fiction saviors like fusion reactors. In my view, none of these things are likely.

If we do not muster the political will and the mechanisms needed to execute a rapid deployment of efficiency gains and a massive transition to renewables while we still have fossil fuels with which to do it, this century will see humanity slide back down the ladder of energy consumption and credit expansion in a long and volatile reversion to the mean of human history, to a much lower equilibrium of complexity and consumption.
The Real Great Contraction is here.




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Reply #608 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 8:06pm
 
Opinion: Bernard Hickey asks if John Key has a Plan B if peak oil, aging workforces and little technical progress create a growthless global economy.

It hasn't dawned on John Key, but the idea that growth in the developed world may have stalled for more than a year or two is now dawning on central bankers, economic thinkers and protestors around the world.  

The realisation that real and sustainable growth may not have happened in the developed world for the last 20 years is even more unsettling.

Here's the thinking. Oil production essentially peaked around a decade ago. Technical innovation has been stagnant for at least 20 years. Populations began ageing. This meant that per-capita growth in output was much slower than in the post-war years up to the 1970s.

See more here from Peter Thiel on The End of the Future.

Any growth that was produced was gobbled up by the richest 5 percent of the population as the financialisation of the economy shuffled more profits to banks, traders, executives and their shareholders. A relaxation of the Depression-era rules stopping investment banks from joining up with commercial banks, along with an increasing focus on rewarding executives many multiples of average incomes accelerated the surge of income to the top tiers.

This non-growth and the increasing inequality of incomes was essentially disguised, particularly for the middle classes in developed economies such as the UK, the US and New Zealand, by borrowing from the savings in export-rich economies such as China, Japan and Germany.

The debt crunch we are now seeing in Europe and America is essentially the moment of truth for this strategy. When debts grow faster than income this eventually ends in unserviceable debts. Greece and the Eurozone is trying to control that moment of truth right now and is failing.

The debt can't be sustained without some sort of debt jubilee, where debts are forgiven, or by a burst of inflation. Regular savers want a debt jubilee where bank shareholders and bond holders take the pain. Borrowers want inflation where regular savers take the pain.
They can destroy banks and their bondholders and shareholders by forcing them to forgive the now unsustainable debts.Or they can bail out the banks and shift the debt onto the balance sheets of taxpayers while encouraging inflation. This spreads and delays the debt problem, an eventually ends with sovereign credit rating downgrades and ultimately the bankruptcy of countries. That's what we're seeing now in Greece.

So far politicians in the United States, backed by their political funders in the banking sector, have chosen to bail out the banks and shift the burden to taxpayers generally while inflating away the value of money. This is fueling much of the anger and has created a monster moral hazard problem, along with banking monsters that are even more dangerous and too big to fail.



Unending strong growth in the developed world cannot be sustained. There isn't enough oil, young workers and technical innovation to sustain it.

So what is New Zealand's Plan B?

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The Truth is, I doubt that any of the Politicians or Central Bankers, have any Plan B!
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Reply #609 - Oct 21st, 2011 at 6:44pm
 
Flooding rains plain truth of climate change: scientist


LONDON: Australia can expect more frequent devastating floods like those in Queensland this year, and the world is facing decades of unprecedented hardship as a result of climate change, according to the chief scientific adviser to the British government.

''We are facing what I believe will be unprecedented difficult times over the next 20 to 40 years,'' Professor Sir John Beddington warned.

The report predicts that migration will increase markedly; that millions will move into, rather than away from, environmentally vulnerable areas; and millions more will be affected but not be able to move.

According to the head of the school of geography and the environment at Oxford University, Professor David Thomas, the cities most affected would include Singapore, Shanghai, Calcutta, Dhaka in Bangladesh, and the towns and villages of the Vietnamese delta.

Australia would experience rising sea levels too but ''it will respond differently because of its different economy'', he said.

The report says that by 2060, up to 179 million people will be trapped in low-lying coastal floodplains subject to extreme weather events such as floods, storm surges, landslides and rising sea levels, unable to migrate because they are too poor or ill-equipped, or because they are restricted by political or geographic boundaries.

Two-thirds of the world's cities with populations of more than 5 million are at least partially located in coastal zones, including rapidly growing urban centres in Asian and African ''mega-deltas'', the report said.

Other large cities would suffer water shortages, with 150 million people already living in cities where water is limited.

Speaking after the launch, Sir John told the Herald that Australia should not expect the La Nina phenomenon that triggered the Queensland floods to be a once-in-a-generation event. The next one could not be predicted but it would return much more frequently than in the past.

''We know that climate change is happening,'' he said. ''We know that the greenhouse gases already in the upper atmosphere will determine the climate over the next 30 years [and there will be] more droughts, floods and extreme weather.

''Since 2008, on average, 25 million people a year have been displaced by extreme weather events, and that's in a world of relatively benign climate change.''

Professor Adger warned, ''extreme events threaten livelihoods and survival.''

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Queensland should be planning to shift housing away from flood prone areas!

Perth is one of those cities that will be affected, because of a lack of fresh water!

In addition, these more frequent weather events will have a marked effect on Global Food Production and the future movement of displaced persons, by boat, will be a lot higher than is currently being experienced.
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Reply #610 - Oct 23rd, 2011 at 11:24am
 
Will a failing euro trash our future?

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The Daily Telegraph October 22, 2011

THE noises coming out of Europe are ominous. Australians should sit up and take notice.

"If there isn't a solution by Sunday, everything is going to collapse,"said French President Nicolas Sarkozy before dashing to Frankfurt for emergency talks with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

"If the euro fails then Europe fails,"
said Merkel. Although she added hopefully: "We will not let that happen."

The German economy is sliding towards recession. British ministers are openly discussing the likelihood of a double dip recession there.

In an article I read yesterday on the European situation the words "careering towards the economics of the Great Depression" leapt off the page.

And in Canberra on Thursday Treasury boss Martin Parkinson warned bluntly that Australia would be hit hard if Europe's leaders failed to resolve the crisis.

Europe - to quote Sarkozy again - "has a rendezvous with its history".

The summit has three jobs. It has to come up with a solution to the dire situation in Greece, where debt default is imminent, more tough austerity measures are in train, and street violence and strikes suggest a society in a state of near-insurrection.


Task No.2 is to beef up the European Financial Stability Facility massively so that, if Spain and Italy get into the same kind of trouble as Greece, there will be a fund big enough to deal with it.

And, finally, the leaders are being called on to recapitalise Europe's banks, having failed to clean things up after the Global Financial Crisis.

He added: "The bigger risk to the Australian economy, though, would be if Europe failed to deliver a comprehensive response to the sovereign debt crisis and found itself in the situation where basically it was dragging the rest of the world into a second global recession."

In that situation China, which sends about 20 per cent of its exports to Europe and about the same to the US, would be seriously affected, magnifying the Australian impact.


That would mean damage to growth, jobs and the Budget bottom line. So, even for Australia, the Brussels summit is a big deal, and economic experts in Canberra say there is no guarantee it will deliver.

French and German leaders started their Frankfurt talks in serious disagreement on how radical the package needs to be. Sarkozy wants to go further than Merkel does. Germans are said be be suffering from "bailout fatigue".

We'd better keep our fingers crossed. Expectations are so high that, if European leaders are perceived to fall short again, there's a major risk financial markets will spiral down.

It could all get pretty grim, especially given the deadlock between US President Barack Obama and a Republican Congress over America's own revival measures.

The Australian economy has grown by 6 per cent since the GFC, whereas the US and all major industrial economies in Europe are still smaller than they were when that crisis hit.

And, as Parkinson pointed out to the Senate committee, Australia's 7 per cent debt position compares with a figure in the 90 per cent band in the rest of the developed world.

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I think you will find, the main Criteria for success today, would be for another headline grabbing news story that does plenty of talking, but achieves nothing!


Why? Because all the Politicians have been doing, for quite some time is kicking the can a little further down the road!

The Politicians know they can not solve the "problem", because the major Economic factors can not simply be switched on & off instantly and the current alignment of Macro Economic factors are nearly all negative. They (the Pollies) are purely restricted to "political spin", as their sole weapon of defense & attach, to try to deflect events, long enough, so history doesn't record a major collapse starting on their watch.

Well, bully for them, WE ARE THE ONES WHO WILL BEAR THE REAL TRUTH!  

So, whatever does or doesn't happen today, it may or may not cause problems on Global markets, but in the long run, WE ARE THE ONES BEING SET UP TO PAY THE TAB!


Btw, whilst Australia's Debt position is considerably better than most other countries, it isn't quite the rosy 7% suggested in this article.
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Reply #611 - Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:26pm
 
France and Germany ready to agree €2tn euro rescue fund


France and Germany have reached agreement to boost the eurozone's rescue fund to €2tn (£1.75tn) as part of a "comprehensive plan" to resolve the sovereign debt crisis, which this weekend's summit should endorse, EU diplomats said.

The growing confidence that a deal can be struck at this Sunday's crisis summit came amid signs of market pressure on France following the warning by the ratings agency Moody's that it might review the country's coveted AAA rating because of the cost of bailing out its banks and other members of the eurozone. The leaders of France and Germany hope to agree a deal that will assuage market uncertainties or, worse, volatility, in the run-up to the G20 summit in Cannes early next month.

France would now have to pay more than a percentage point – 114 basis points – over the price paid by Germany to borrow for 10 years as the gap between the two country's bond yields widened to their highest level since 1992.

The news cheered US investors. All the major stock markets surged, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average rising 250 points, or 2.2%, to 11,651, after earlier falling by 101 points earlier in the day.

Berlin had dampened down prospects of a full-scale deal, although EU diplomats close to the talks say the Franco-German agreement covers boosting the financial firewalls for eurozone members to withstand the threat of a "credit event" or sovereign debt default in weaker countries.

This takes two forms. First, the main bailout fund, the European financial stability facility, will be given additional levers enabling it to offer first-loss guarantees for bondholders, be they private or public. Senior diplomats say this will deliver a fivefold increase in the fund's firepower – giving it more than €2tn compared with the current €440bn lending capability. The EFSF will in effect become an insurer, thereby overcoming European Central Bank resistance to the idea of turning into a bank.

Second, Berlin and Paris have agreed that Europe's banks should be recapitalised to meet the 9% capital ratio that the European Banking Authority is demanding after its re-examination of the exposure levels of 60 to 70 "systemic" banks. The EBA has marked these exposures much closer to current market values.

Berlin and Paris are also said by those close to the negotiations to be edging nearer to agreeing on the increased scale of private sector involvement in the second rescue package (€109bn) for Greece. This was set at a voluntary 21% "haircut" in the July package but, under worsening overall economic conditions and a likely restructuring of Greek debt, Germany has been pushing for losses of up to 50%. France, backed by the ECB, has resisted the idea, while EU officials have clearly indicated that a range of 30 to 50% is being considered.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/oct/18/france-and-germany-move-towards-2...
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This story reminds me of a scene from one of the Superman movies.

Lois Lane falls off a building and Superman, on seeing this, flies up & catches Lois, then says, "don't worry Lois, I've got you"!
Lois then looks down and says, "You've got me, BUT WHO'S GOT YOU?
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Reply #612 - Oct 23rd, 2011 at 2:27pm
 
Exactly Perce, who will be the last country with money in the bank to bail out all the bailer-outers?
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American credit rating to be downgraded again

Dr Sarra also made a veiled criticism of Noel Pearson and his approach to education in Cape York, describing a teaching method championed by Mr Pearson as "a pedagogy for the poor" that would not be tolerated in affluent schools for non-indigenous students.

This news comes from a report out of one of the biggest names in the banking industry, Bank of America Merrill Lynch, issued on Friday.

"The credit rating agencies have strongly suggested that further rating cuts are likely if Congress does not come up with a credible long-run plan" to cut the deficit, Merrill's North American economist Ethan Harris writes in a report from last week.

"Hence, we expect at least one credit downgrade in late November or early December when the super committee crashes," adds Harris

The 12-member bipartisan super committee has until November 23 to find a solution to America’s ongoing deficit dilemma, which played a large role in triggering S&P to issue their downgrade back in August. At the time, it was the first time America’s sovereign debt had been devalued by any of the top-three. With the super committee’s deadline less than a month away now, Harris’ report considers another downgrade likely if the congressional leaders involved in finding a solution cannot come up with a plan.

Should a plan not materialize in time, $1.2 trillion in automatic spending cuts will be instated starting in 2013, which will largely pull from discretionary spending. That isn’t to say, however, that it won’t impact the faltering American economy any further. If a plan is not put together and a downgrade is in fact issued, economic woes for Americans are almost certain to worsen.

read the entire story at:

http://rt.com/usa/news/credit-rating-downgrade-committee-601/
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LOL what can I say? Wasn't it the IMF that announced the GFC to be officially over about the middle of last year?

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Openly alarmed, the IMF changes sides

Having led governments up the brambly garden path of fiscal austerity for two years, the International Monetary Fund has abandoned its adherence to Friedrich Hayek and has joined the Keynesians, urging governments to boost growth through fiscal policy.

In its report to the G20 finance ministers meeting in Paris this week, the IMF is openly alarmed about the economic outlook, saying: "the downside risks have increased and are severe."

In his New York Times blog, economist Paul Krugman says the report is essentially a declaration that the focus on universal austerity was "wrong, wrong, wrong".

The IMF is also now warning the Australian Government to be ready to abandon its own commitment to return the budget to surplus in 2013.

It's a long way from the IMF's usual role of always telling governments to cut their budget deficits; the only other time it has hopped on the Keynesian bandwagon and urged governments to spend, was in 2008 after Lehman Brothers collapsed and sent the financial system into a tailspin.

In its report to the G20 this week, the IMF said:

   "The overarching risk is of a global "paradox of thrift" as households, firms, and governments around the world reduce demand, with many advanced economies unable to lower policy rates further."

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It's a long report so read it here:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-19/kohler-imf-changes-sides/3579366
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