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Reply #480 - Aug 3rd, 2011 at 4:03pm
 
There's talk that America might be going into a recession  Shocked
Just a little correction, perhaps  Roll Eyes

Can someone please turn off that bloomin’ crash alert!


Dow Jones Industrial Average – down 265 points.

FTSE 100 – down 1%.

German DAX – smashed down 2.26%.

Italian MIB and Spanish IBEX both down over 2%.

Aussie dollar down to USD$1.075… and gold at a record USD$1,660.

It’s also near the all-time Aussie dollar record at $1,542.

And as we write, the Aussie market is down over 80 points.

From where we’re sitting the crash alert is deafening. Ear muffs are firmly in place.

But if you’ve followed our advice for the past three years you should be sitting comfortably today.

We warned you the so-called economic recovery was a sham… of criminal proportions.

Immoral and corrupt government officials and central bankers manipulating the market for their own benefit. And their banker buddies.

They win while the losers in this pathetic and disgusting game are the average wage earners.

As we’ve noted for some time, the Aussie market was in classic bubble-denial territory. The same denial the housing spruikers have been in.

That somehow Australia is different… we’ve got the Chinese commodities boom… the Aussie dollar is a new reserve currency… blah, blah, blah…

“Bottom line: a brief but small rally could be on the cards… but the fall that follows it is set to be much bigger.”


read more at:

http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20110803/we-warned-you-but-did-you-take-the-advice.html

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Reply #481 - Aug 4th, 2011 at 1:28pm
 
Who Killed Economic Growth?




Not as good a showman as Monckton, but Richard Heinberg has got that FACTS about correct!
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Reply #482 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 8:47am
 
U.S. Stocks Plunge in Biggest Retreat Since 2009


A global rout in equities drove the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index to its worst slump since February 2009, while two-year Treasury yields plunged to a record low amid concern the economy is weakening.

The S&P 500 tumbled 4.8 percent to 1,200.07 at 4 p.m. in New York. It has dropped 11 percent since July 22, the biggest loss over the same amount of time since March 2009.

Concern the global economy may relapse into a recession has driven investors out of stocks and into the relative safety of Treasuries, the Swiss franc and yen and is spurring speculation the Federal Reserve will start another stimulus program. The European Central Bank resumed bond purchases and offered banks more cash to stem the spread of the debt crisis.

‘Gloomy’
“The mood right now is gloomy,” Mike Ryan, the New York- based chief investment strategist at UBS Wealth Management Americas, said in a telephone interview. His firm oversees $774 billion. “The burden of proof is for better data that show the economy is not falling into recession. Tomorrow’s payroll report is crucial. If we see another disappointment, the stock market will have significant downside from here.”

Commerce Department data tomorrow may show U.S. employers added 85,000 jobs in July, according to the median economist estimate in a Bloomberg survey. In June, they added 18,000.


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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-04/yen-slumps-after-japan-intervenes-to-cu...
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Well, things weren't looking all that good last night and the DOW had just hit 200 points down, just before I finished for the night.

But, with the DOW down 512 points on the close at 11,384, it is safe to say that the situation deteriorated considerably, with a fall of 4.31% for the days trading, which puts the DOW into negative for this calendar year, having started at 11,578 on January 1st, 2011!

All major European bourses were also down significantly -
FTSE 100 INDEX      5,393.14      -191.37      -3.43%      
CAC 40 INDEX          3,320.35      -134.59      -3.90%      
DAX INDEX               6,414.76      -225.83      -3.40%

And, with the European bourses closes hours before the US and the US continued to fall during those hours, it is safe to say that Europe will fall again, at their next session, unless a significant event intervenes.

It is also safe to say that Australian & Asian bourses will also have signifcant falls today, with Australian SPI200 Futures showing the way, currently down 157 & the Nikkei 225 Futures down 250.       

The OZ$ was also significantly impacted, declining to 1.0454, after starting the day at 1.0769, which is actually perverse, given the US bearing on these adverse Economic outcomes.


Btw, given US Population growth figures, their job figures really need to add around 150,000 per month, to tread water, so anything less is sending the Economy backward!


The Truth is, the jig is up!


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Reply #483 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 2:13pm
 
Market loses $54b on recession fears


UPDATE 10.45am: The Australian sharemarket was still down nearly 4 per cent mid-morning after big falls on world markets overnight prompted by fears of another global recession.

By 10.45am, the benchmark S&P/ASX200 index was still down a massive 160.6 points, or 3.8 per cent, at 4119.5 while the broader All Ordinaries index had lost 175.5 points, or 4 per cent, to 4177.4.

The S&P/ASX200 index had been off as much as 4.42 per cent in earlier trade.

No stocks were spared the wrath of panicked investors, with selling across all sectors.

CMC Markets analyst Ben Le Brun said the market was being savaged on fears the US economy was sliding towards recession, while Europe's debt problems were intensifying.

“Everything that's leveraged to the global growth scenario is getting absolutely pummelled,” Mr Le Brun said.

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http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/9978712/market-loses-54b-on-recession-fe...
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This means that since its recent market Peak in April, Australia Shares in the All Ords have lost about $250 Billion, which is roughly equivalent to 20% of the Total Australian annual GDP!  
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Reply #484 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 4:13pm
 
RBA warns global risks have increased

The central bank has warned that debt crises in Europe and the US could unravel in a disorderly way and drag on Australia's economic growth.

The Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) said the problem of too much government debt in Greece and some other European countries had not been solved, while hard decisions were still needed in the US to ensure the sustainability of government finances.

This posed a "key downside risk" for the RBA's forecasts for Australia's economic growth and inflation.

"The downside risks relate to the fiscal problems in many advanced economies, and have become more prominent over the past three months," the RBA said in its quarterly Statement on Monetary Policy on Friday.

"Overall, it seems easier to envisage significantly worse outcomes for global growth than it is for significantly stronger outcomes."

The central bank noted that equity markets and bond yields in major countries had fallen and the US dollar had seen a "significant depreciation".

The central bank's comments came as share markets in Europe and the US fell heavily overnight, on fears of a possible double-dip recession as sovereign bond interest rates rose and economic data was worse than expected.

Overnight the Dow Jones Industrial Average plunged 4.3 per cent in its worst one-day drop since the financial crisis, while Australia's share market slumped four per cent, also the worst one-day fall since November 2008.

http://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/RBA-warns-global-risks-aap-1691846306.html?x=0
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Reply #485 - Aug 5th, 2011 at 11:59pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 8:47am:
U.S. Stocks Plunge in Biggest Retreat Since 2009


A global rout in equities drove the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index to its worst slump since February 2009, while two-year Treasury yields plunged to a record low amid concern the economy is weakening.

The S&P 500 tumbled 4.8 percent to 1,200.07 at 4 p.m. in New York. It has dropped 11 percent since July 22, the biggest loss over the same amount of time since March 2009.

Concern the global economy may relapse into a recession has driven investors out of stocks and into the relative safety of Treasuries, the Swiss franc and yen and is spurring speculation the Federal Reserve will start another stimulus program. The European Central Bank resumed bond purchases and offered banks more cash to stem the spread of the debt crisis.

‘Gloomy’
“The mood right now is gloomy,” Mike Ryan, the New York- based chief investment strategist at UBS Wealth Management Americas, said in a telephone interview. His firm oversees $774 billion. “The burden of proof is for better data that show the economy is not falling into recession. Tomorrow’s payroll report is crucial. If we see another disappointment, the stock market will have significant downside from here.”

Commerce Department data tomorrow may show U.S. employers added 85,000 jobs in July, according to the median economist estimate in a Bloomberg survey. In June, they added 18,000.


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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-04/yen-slumps-after-japan-intervenes-to-cu...
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Well, things weren't looking all that good last night and the DOW had just hit 200 points down, just before I finished for the night.

But, with the DOW down 512 points on the close at 11,384, it is safe to say that the situation deteriorated considerably, with a fall of 4.31% for the days trading, which puts the DOW into negative for this calendar year, having started at 11,578 on January 1st, 2011!

All major European bourses were also down significantly -
FTSE 100 INDEX      5,393.14      -191.37      -3.43%      
CAC 40 INDEX          3,320.35      -134.59      -3.90%      
DAX INDEX               6,414.76      -225.83      -3.40%

And, with the European bourses closes hours before the US and the US continued to fall during those hours, it is safe to say that Europe will fall again, at their next session, unless a significant event intervenes.

It is also safe to say that Australian & Asian bourses will also have signifcant falls today, with Australian SPI200 Futures showing the way, currently down 157 & the Nikkei 225 Futures down 250.        

The OZ$ was also significantly impacted, declining to 1.0454, after starting the day at 1.0769, which is actually perverse, given the US bearing on these adverse Economic outcomes.


Btw, given US Population growth figures, their job figures really need to add around 150,000 per month, to tread water, so anything less is sending the Economy backward!


The Truth is, the jig is up!




U.S. Payrolls Rose in July; Jobless Rate at 9.1%


Employers added more jobs than forecast in July, the jobless rate fell and wages climbed, easing concern the U.S. economy is grinding to a halt. Stock futures rallied and Treasuries fell.

Payrolls rose by 117,000 workers after a 46,000 increase in June that was more than originally estimated, Labor Department data showed today in Washington. The median estimate in a Bloomberg News survey called for a July gain of 85,000. The jobless rate dropped to 9.1 percent as more Americans left the labor force, while average hourly earnings climbed 0.4 percent.

Economists’ Forecasts
The unemployment rate was forecast to hold at 9.2 percent, according to the survey median. Estimates ranged from 9.1 percent to 9.4 percent.

The jobless rate declined as 193,000 people left the labor force and the number of unemployed dropped by 156,000. The share of the eligible population holding a job declined to 58.1 percent, the lowest since July 1983.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-05/u-s-payrolls-rose-more-than-estimated-1...
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On the back of these reports, the US DOW is now up 70 at 11,454, after having been up 166 at 11,550 earlier.

I never cease to be amazed, at how guilible some people are!

The reports that this Employment/Unenemployment is somehow GOOD, is just rubbish.

As I said earlier, the US needs Employment growth at around 150,000 each month, just to tred water, just to stand still, so anything less is still going backward, which they are on these reports!

It seems the penny is now dropping, as I wrote these few lines the DOW dropped and it is now DOWN by 50 points!
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Reply #486 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 6:56am
 
And so the dominoes keep tumbling. The EU say bailouts, the Chinese say reform.

Italy, France call for emergency G7 talks

Italy and France have called for emergency G7 talks and the EU says it's working "night and day" to ready new rescue funding as eurozone lending costs soar and stocks plunge on alarm over renewed global recession.

As Europe scrambled to head off pressure on the single currency zone, Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said after telephone talks with President Nicolas Sarkozy on Friday that G7 finance ministers will meet "in a few days".

Italy, which along with other euro giant Spain is in the eye of a financial storm, will speed up implementation of a package of austerity measures aimed at achieving budget balance, Berlusconi said in Rome after a wave of market panic.

"We believe it is opportune to accelerate the measures," Berlusconi said.

"There is a very particular attention on us on the part of international speculation and we have to put a stop to it," he said.

Italian shares plunged 13.12 per cent this week while investors scared the country's slow growth means it will get caught up in a debt trap sold off their bonds, sending rates of return over 6 per cent.

Seeking to soothe tension after contagion even began to threaten France on the bond market, the EU's economic affairs commissioner Olli Rehn rushed back to Brussels and announced he will propose new, common 'Euro-bonds' next month.

Until now taboo, these would allow eurozone governments to raise monies needed to run their countries based on guarantees from the entire 17-country bloc of 332 million people.

Holidaying German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, as well as Sarkozy, Berlusconi, and non-euro leader British Prime Minister David Cameron, launched a flurry of phone discussions, also involving EU president Herman Van Rompuy.

An EU official in Brussels said no emergency eurozone summit was on the cards.

Rehn insisted the input of G7 and G20 partners - bringing in the United States, Japan, Britain and powerful, big developing economies like Brazil, China, India and Russia - will be of "critical importance" in wider efforts to resolve the spiralling chaos.

But China said debt deals in Europe and the United States, where the permitted ceiling was again raised, would not be enough to save their respective economies.

"Concrete steps" must be taken to rebalance the global economy, said a commentary published by the official Xinhua news agency.

It recommended troubled eurozone countries should look to reforms not bailouts.

"Only by introducing reform can they save themselves," it added.


British Foreign Secretary William Hague called a crisis meeting there, saying London would take the "necessary action" to combat the crisis engulfing its biggest trading partner.
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Reply #487 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 12:05pm
 
The supposed reason for the massive 400 point turnaround in the DOW last night was their GOOD Employment/Enemployment result, where the US put on 117,000 jobs and reduced Unemployment from 9.2 to 9.1.

The Truth is, there are 2 significant Demographic factors which should also be taken into consideration when viewing US Empolyment, Unemployment & Economic impact.

Population Growth
The US Population is growing at around 1% annually, which should increase the Employment (or at least employable) pool by 3 million annually or 250,000 per month, which would/should equate to an additional 150,000 real & additional jobs each month, if we use a standard 60% participation rate?

Retirements (Baby Boomers)
Since January 1st this year, the Baby Boomer generation have officially reached retirement age. No doubt there are Boomers who have already been doing so unofficially, but starting on January 1st there are 80 million Boomers who offically started the transition to leaving the workforce.
That means over the next 18 years, there will be around 4.44 million annually or 370,000 per Month, which would/should equate to about 222,000 retirements each month, if we use a standard 60% participation rate?

In a fully functional Economy, those retiring would/should be replaced by others in the workforce and a further 150,000 SHOULD be added to the workforce, via Population Growth, just to tread water. All of which means, the total Employed Pool should expand at a rate of about 150,000 each month or 3.6 million over a 2 year period.

However, as you point out, the total Employed pool has actually Declined by over 700,000 in the last 2 years.

This means that the US Economy has failed by some 4.3 million jobs, over the last 2 years, just to keep up treading water, let alone to actually expand the Economy!

These Demographics will not go away, both Population Growth & Boomer Retirements are likely to remain constant, particularly with Boomer retirements, as the next 10 years will see a larger portion of boomer retirements than the next 10 years, as the largest portion of Boomer births came in the period 1946-1956 and that rate then started to decline.

Now, I've provided all of those facts, to tell you this, THAT IS WHY DEMAND IS FALLING, as huge numbers of Boomers move into a lower Consumption Retirement lifestyle, plus a greater portion of the Total Population also moves into a lower Consumption lifestyle, as they lose jobs altogether or can not gain full time work!

These factors, plus Peak Energy (Oil first), plus the existing massive Debt situation, plus issues relating to Climate Change are flowing to the rest of the US Economy and onto the wider Global Economy, which means, THERE IS NO RECOVERY AND THERE CAN NOT BE ANY RECOVERY!


By way of re-inforcing where the USA is now at, the ratings company Standard & Poors have today downgraded the US rating from AAA, which it has held for some 100 years, to AA+.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/08/05/americas-credit-downgraded-what-you-need-...

In doing so S&P said, "The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy. Despite this year's wide-ranging debate, in our view, the differences between political parties have proven to be extraordinarily difficult to bridge, and, as we see it, the resulting agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have dropped down on the menu of policy options. In addition, the plan envisions only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability."

S&P also provided the 2 following graphs, which strongly relate to what's been happening -
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The US government have already said that S&P have got their figures wrong, which is like "the pot calling the kettle black".

Given past experiences with share market crashes, I suspect that there is still some way to go, before reaching a temporary market bottom!
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Reply #488 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 4:03pm
 
The Mighty US$

Last Report dated 09/07/2011

US$ Index (basket of Currencies):  @ 74.52 (Last Report - 75.12) (2010/06/04 - 87.85)
http://www.goldseek.com/quotes/charts/usdollar/usdollarindex24hour.php

Euro - US$: @ 1.4282 (Last Report - 1.4264) (2010/06/04 - 120.44)
AUD$ - US$: @ 1.0442 (Last Report - 1.0775) (2010/06/04 - 83.17)
AUD$ - GBP: @ 0.6371 (Last Report - 0.6697) (2010/06/04 - 57.04)
AUD$ - EURO:  @ 0.7312 (Last Report - 0.7540) (2010/06/04 - 69.06)
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/currencies/fxc.html

Gold - @ US$1,651.80 (Last Report - US$1,541.60) (2010/06/04 - $1,207.80)
Oil WTi -  @ US$86.88 (Last Report - US$96.20) (2011/03/19 US$101.01)  (2010/06/04 - $70.22)
BALTIC DRY INDEX (BDIY) - @ 1,268 (Unchanged @ Friday close) (Last Report – 1,449) (2010/06/04 - 3,844)
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=BDIY:IND

DOW @ 11,445 - (Up 61 @ Friday close) (Last Report - 12,657)  (2010/06/04 - 11,444)
ALL ORDS @  4,170 (Down 183 @ Wednesday close) (Last Report - 4,716) (2010/06/04 - 4,840)
SHANGHAI COMPOSITE @  2,626 (Down 58 @ Friday close) (Last Report - 2,798) (2010/06/04 - 2,553)
http://www.bloomberg.com/?b=0

Last 5 years DOW -
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI#chart3:symbol=

THERE was movement at the FED, for the word had passed around, That the US$ was an old Regret and its value had long since passed away
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Well, the VOLATILITY certainly has continued and escalated!


US$ Index
After approaching 89 in June and going under 76 in November, the US$ index finished 2010 at 78.96.
It then rose to 81, before falling again to a low of 75.57.
After getting up to around 75.50, the US$ crashed on yesterday's turmoil, finishing at $74.52
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/US/M

AUD$ - US$
One of the big winners last year was the OZ$, which slid to $0.83 against the US$ in June and has since recovered dramatically to close 2010 at $1.0233.
The OZ$ had range traded, but recent events had seen it drop to around 0.98, before rebounding to its current levels.
The OZ$ closed Friday at $1.0442, after trading recently up around the $1.10 range.
The OZ$ slipped on the cross rates, against the Euro & GBP.


Gold
Gold dipped a little early in the year to around $1,050 in February, but finished the year strongly at $1,421.40.
It has since slipped and threatened to break back under $1,300, before rising again.
What a difference a month makes, with gold up from US$1,541.60 on July 9th, to US$1,651.80 today.

Oil WTi
Having slipped below $70 mid year, Crude Oil recovered to finish 2010 at $91.38.
It since slipped to around $85, before escalating sharply on Middle East tension to rise to around $107 a barrel.
Again, what a difference a month makes, with Oil down from US$96.20 on July 9th, to US$86.88 today.

The Oil Price will now decline along with the Global Economy , for some time, before recommencing it's rise, due to Supply related problems!

BALTIC DRY INDEX (BDIY)
The Baltic Dry Index finished Friday at 1,268, down significantly on the previous report.

DOW
Share markets after reaching mid year lows, as the DOW went from just under 9800 in July, to finish 2010 at 11,577.
Again, what a difference a month makes, with the DOW Declining from 12,657 on July 9th, to 11,445 today.
Given the basic Economic factors in play, I suspect we are not yet anywhere close to a bottom.


ALL ORDS
The Australian market rose from just under 4,300 in July to finish 2010 at 4,847.
Again, what a difference a month makes, with the All Ords Declining from 4,716 on July 9th, to 4,170 today.
OZ, as with most other countries will follow the US and I therefore suspect that the All Ords is also no where close to a bottom.


SHANGHAI COMPOSITE
The Shanghai Composite continues to be the Roller Coaster Ride!
The Shanghai Composite finished down 58 on Friday, to close at 2,626 and whilst that is down from the last report, the fall is not yet as significant as other countries .


NOTE: Given the REAL, BASIC ECONOMIC FACTORS involved and that S&P have NOW DOWNGRADED THE US RATING FROM AAA TO AA+, for the first time, I would suggest THERE IS STILL A LOT OF DOWNSIDE IN THE CURRENT MARKETS! 
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Reply #489 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 8:34pm
 
Markets brace for more economic pain


THE escalating debt crises in Europe and fears that the US is rapidly sliding back into recession have rocked Australian financial markets, wiping $100 billion off the value of company shares this week and sending the Australian dollar into a tailspin.

The benchmark S&P/ASX200 index closed down 171.1 points to 4105.4, while the broader All Ordinaries index was off 183.2 points, or 4.21 per cent, to 4169.7.

The losses mean the Australian market has fallen in 14 of the past 20 trading sessions.

The Australian dollar was dumped as the currency plunged nearly 2 per cent from $US1.0689 to trade at $US1.0465, the lowest level in four months, amid fears the global economy was slowing, which would also undermine China's economy.

For home owners, the financial markets were betting that the next interest rate move would be down, but it is small comfort at a time when the economy is facing a severe jolt and employment indications are weakening.

ANZ's co-head of Australian economics Ivan Colhoun said the European debt crisis was a major threat to the world economy.

"We are highly alert to the risks of a second GFC," he said.

It is almost four years since the stockmarket peaked -- 1373 days have passed since the peak, an extended rout that eclipses the time it took stockmarkets to recover from the 1987 crash when markets recovered and leaped previous highs within 504 days.


The Reserve Bank surprised the market yesterday as it slashed its growth forecasts for the Australian economy this year from 4.25 per cent to 3.25 per cent.

The RBA also warned that inflation would remain at or above its 2-3 per cent management bracket for two years.

"When there is pneumonia offshore, it is going to have a direct impact on us because of our level of debt and the fact that nearly three-quarters of the debt is held by people living offshore.

"The best way to be positioned at the moment for a nation and for an individual is to have cash in the bank.


Citigroup equity strategist Tony Brennan said investors were most concerned about the state of the world economy.

"People are starting to worry about a global recession," he said. "We had that in 2008 and 2009, but I don't think people are too concerned about things getting to that extent at the moment," he said.

"The markets have come off about 10 to 15 per cent; in the GFC, markets were down 50 per cent."


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The Truth is, I suspect that world markets will revisit their GFC Mk1 lows at some point, prior to the end of 2012 and eventually revisit their 1995 positions, to come back to the point where this share market bubble started!
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Reply #490 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 10:48pm
 
Wall Street Has Wild Ride After Jobs Report




Some interesting comments, on the above video report, from a NYSE Share trader, who says (starting) around 27 seconds into the report that "unsubstantiated rumours" that S&P were going to downgrade the market (read US Credit rating) after the close and that was enough to send the market down by 240 points.

He then goes on to say, "that there was then another rumour that the ECB was going to "give" Spain & Italy money" and that moved the market up by 120 points.


What makes these comments more interesting, from the perspective of what will happen on Monday, is that the S&P rumour turned out to be a fact & the ECB rumour of "giving" more money to Italy & Spain, did not turn out to be correct, at least at this point!

All of which suggests some interesting scenario's for Monday and I will keep a close eye on DOW Futures, for some direction points!  
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Reply #491 - Aug 7th, 2011 at 9:55pm
 
A National Debt Of $14 Trillion? Try $211 Trillion


When Standard & Poor's reduced the nation's credit rating from AAA to AA-plus, the United States suffered the first downgrade to its credit rating ever. S&P took this action despite the plan Congress passed this past week to raise the debt limit.

The downgrade, S&P said, "reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics."

It's those medium- and long-term debt problems that also worry economics professor Laurence J. Kotlikoff, who served as a senior economist on President Reagan's Council of Economic Advisers. He says the national debt, which the U.S. Treasury has accounted at about $14 trillion, is just the tip of the iceberg.

"We have all these unofficial debts that are massive compared to the official debt," Kotlikoff tells David Greene, guest host of weekends on All Things Considered. "We're focused just on the official debt, so we're trying to balance the wrong books."

Kotlikoff explains that America's "unofficial" payment obligations — like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid benefits — jack up the debt figure substantially.

"If you add up all the promises that have been made for spending obligations, including defense expenditures, and you subtract all the taxes that we expect to collect, the difference is $211 trillion. That's the fiscal gap," he says. "That's our true indebtedness."


We don't hear more about this enormous number, Kotlikoff says, because politicians have chosen their language carefully to keep most of the problem off the books.

"Why are these guys thinking about balancing the budget?" he says. "They should try and think about our long-term fiscal problems."

According to Kotlikoff, one of the biggest fiscal problems Congress should focus on is America's obligation to make Social Security payments to future generations of the elderly.

"We've got 78 million baby boomers who are poised to collect, in about 15 to 20 years, about $40,000 per person. Multiply 78 million by $40,000 — you're talking about more than $3 trillion a year just to give to a portion of the population," he says. "That's an enormous bill that's overhanging our heads, and Congress isn't focused on it."

"We've consistently done too little too late, looked too short-term, said the future would take care of itself, we'll deal with that tomorrow," he says. "Well, guess what? You can't keep putting off these problems."

To eliminate the fiscal gap, Kotlikoff says, the U.S. would have to have tax increases and spending reductions far beyond what's being negotiated right now in Washington.

"What you have to do is either immediately and permanently raise taxes by about two-thirds, or immediately and permanently cut every dollar of spending by 40 percent forever. The [Congressional Budget Office's] numbers say we have an absolutely enormous problem facing us."


NPR Interview with Laurence J. Kotlikoff, who served as a senior economist on President Ronald Reagan's Council of Economic Advisers and is a professor of economics at Boston University.
http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=13902...

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http://www.npr.org/2011/08/06/139027615/a-national-debt-of-14-trillion-try-211-t...
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The Truth is, the really tricky part part about all of this is that it comes right at the moment when Consumer Demand is hiting the skids, due to massive Debts & the Baby Boomer Bust, as Energy Supply is Peaking, with the Price hikes that follow and at the start of the great Climate Change!


That said, I'm sure if we just wack up the interest rates & go for a
nice big round of AUS-terity cuts, then OZ should be fine???
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Reply #492 - Aug 8th, 2011 at 9:18am
 
The chart showing the $US against the  Renminbi is illuminating. It shows who holds all the chips.

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=CNY&view=2Y

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Reply #493 - Aug 8th, 2011 at 10:24pm
 
http://www.finviz.com/fut_chart.ashxt=CL&cot=067651;t=YM&p=d1

Nice Crude Oil (WTI) chart, it shows the substantial Price fall since May!

Has anyone yet seen that reflected in a similar Price fall in Petrol???
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Reply #494 - Aug 9th, 2011 at 8:55am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 9th, 2011 at 6:31am:
Another day, another dollar....lost

DOW JONES
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http://media.news.com.au/aegis/charts/DOWJON_ID_SharePriceChart_Daily.jpg


Well, I'm not sure about "another day another dollar...lost", I initially thought of Clint Eastwoods "a fistful of Dollars" and then settled on another Eastwood classic -
"The Good, the Bad & the Ugly"


We've had the Good, now we're having the Bad and the Ugly is still to come!

Btw, there was a large dip at the end of US DOW trading and the DOW actually finished down by 635 points.
http://au.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^DJI#symbol=^dji;range=1d;compare=;indicat...

In fact, the DOW fell 300 points in the last 40 minutes of trading and DOW Futures are already down, some 80 points in after hours trading contrinuing that trend and the OZ SPI200 is also down 150, which does not bode well for the local market today!.
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