Isn't Gillard's Open door policy brilliant.

Anyone can arive and they get given the red carpet treatment.
Oh the stats on those being rejected and actually returned is quite small.
Sure some get rejected but then they can appeal and most appellants win!


But how about the latest inductees into Australia....
about 100 teenagers/young men who all "coincidently" have lost their identity papers arrived. And none can advise where they came from!!!

They claim that they are the last in their family, no brothers or sisters or any other relatives, so they had to escape their turbulent and violent homeland.

So what to do...well Gillards plan was to put these 100 into a detention centre suitable for 60 detainees, and it didnt matter if there were already 36 in that place either. Yeah they'll fit in.
Great thinking there Gillard.


And to help these 100 young males, they were given access to computers.....to send emails back home! But hold on, they claimed that they have no relatives back home.
And it didnt matter that their relatives back home didnt have computers either

Oh the official reason was to allow these youngsters to see what was destroyed back home, what had been bombed! What damge they had caused (oops)

So our govt should be able to: a) identify these youngsters as to who they are, where they came from, and what they are doing here, from their emails.
b) the websites of the bombings that the govt advise are freely available for anyone to find.


Well thats all very well and good isnt it......just that the 36 occupants already in the detention centre were then not allowed to use the computers themselves, as our 'new' guests decided to take over the place.

Yes and take over they did, and the reason they gave was "they dont know the rules" so thats acceptable to cause violence and damage!
But they do know the rule that if your violent you can take over the place!

Isnt that marvelous, we all cant wait until they're all released and who knows what havoc they will then cause onto society, especially with the umbrella excuse of "don't know the rules".


And if that's not enough, we can do more for these fine upstanding "future" citizens of Australia,like taking them out to go 10-pin bowling as well!


We must go overboard with our hospitality towards these illegals for fear of being branded racist, meanwhile our own Australian homeless and poverty stricken get ZILCH!


These 100 males appear to be similar to back in the 70s(?) when the Lebanese came over and were told to "do as you like".

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2010 at 12:56pm:




Its all over the internet so try and add your spin to that sunshine!

and here's some more watermelon boy straight from the 'horses mouth'
with the Campaign Co-ordinator of the centre itself Pamela Kerr

scroll through to just under the audio symbol


http://www.mtr1377.com.au/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=7204

Bolt shoots Kerr down!

The Coalition passed on a poisoned chalice to the ALP in 2007. . But the ALP put the cup to their lips and drank deeply.

The Rocky Road To Stop The Boats, Ashghebranious,Ash's Machiavellian Bloggery

It makes me feel dirty that there is a shadow Immigration minister and Opposition leader in this country that preach hate when they know the true facts



http://ashghebranious.wordpress.com:80/2010/11/15/the-rocky-road-to-stop-the-boa...

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Yeah really poisoned ...what 3 boats per year under Howard when he passed that chalice to 6 boats per week under Rudd/Gillard

and another 
http://www.mtr1377.com.au/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=7197


yeah I know you're hearing unadulterated comments, so no spin there watermelon boy!


bwaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa

Tony Abbott has been spruiking his bogan slogan  "stop the boats" 
He does this knowing that he doesn't have to.  He doesn't even
have to have a policy - just a slogan. And you support this thickfenstein?

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oh gawd slogans  is veg really joooooooolia?? ,, now Abbott said!! Abbott didnt do!! wouldnt be a slogan or chant would it...

veg have you got any figures on what it cost US to house these asylum seekers on the mainland and throw in Christmas Island as well..for that matter.. we never seem to get any figures on that..wonder why.,.


why is the Labor govt keeping these two island going.. $27million isnt a lot to the labs we know that.. but still your complaining about them housing 5000 and costing that... now they are housing 8 and its still costing $24mill per year..maybe I am missing something..but unless the govt comes clean on what it is costing us at this very moment to keep these people in luxury... yes,,,,,,, it is that compared to what they have come from..so tell us veg.. I am very interested in that figure.. I think I know a lot of people that will be.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 16^th, 2010 at 6:52pm:


Its not racism, its a total lack of humanism.

Of which both sides are equally guilty.

tickfen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2010 at 7:00pm:



And what... Whats your point? Unless you're trying to say that you would chose Indonesia over Australia, Are you?

jame-e wrote on Nov 16^th, 2010 at 7:12pm:

I think he may be trying to play a bit of aussie rules(ie...handball the problem), YES!

tickfen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2010 at 7:24pm:



I have... still fail to see your point. Point being?

tickfen wrote on Nov 16^th, 2010 at 7:37pm:


Jebus, i've now become one of 'those'. Those double identity fakes or something, i'm impressed.

Why don't you answer? Dosn't seem that hard a question... must be.

Gillard has done very little to help the asylum seekers. Abbot has done even less, he can't even get his boat phone operational.

It's time to ditch the stale old parties. Bob Brown and the Greens are our only chance for a truly humanitarian Australia.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 6:03am:





so you and bobby have opened your homes already have you Pansi... I believe in those with the biggest mouth doing as they preach thats all.

I still see bobby riding in planes and cars.. stuffing up the planet..he really doesnt care all that much you know.words are cheap.

WHAT sort of “children” are these really, who this week put seven other boat people in hospital?

Sunday’s all-in brawl between 40 boat people at the Melbourne Immigration Transit Accommodation should finally alert us to what seems yet another immigration rort.

These brawlers are reportedly all “unaccompanied minors” from Afghanistan - that is, they are allegedly aged under 18, and came on boats without their parents.

They are among more than 200 such unaccompanied Afghan “boys” in detention, or about one in six of all Afghans now detained, which seems an astonishingly high proportion.

In all, 645 “unaccompanied minors” have come by boat since the Labor Government softened the rules in 2008.

Fancy so many parents sending children off alone on leaky boats.

But already alarm bells should be ringing - even more so given that teachers working with these “boys” say they actually seem to be young adults.

One, who has asked for anonymity, says of the more than 30 students they’ve seen, only two seemed to be children, and neither was Afghan.

“All the rest look to be anything from their late teens to their mid twenties. All claim to be 15,” the teacher says.

And almost every one is Afghan, or says so, since some Afghan boat people seem to come from Pakistan instead.

Why men would call themselves children is not surprising when you see what privileges come with being deemed to be under 18.

First, as boys they qualify for better accommodation and a fast track out of detention, with the Federal Government committed to a “no children between barbed wire” policy.

For example, nearly 100 of these “boys” were transferred to the Melbourne centre at the weekend from the overcrowded detention centre on Christmas Island.

In Darwin and Brisbane such boys are given not only classes but excursions, and are kept mainly in motels.

But there is a far more pressing reason why it may suit an Afghan man to pretend to be a boy.

It’s this clause in the Immigration Department’s application pack for a Class XA protection visa, explaining that unaccompanied “children” who win refugee status have more right than single men to send for their families to join them: “If you have been separated from members of your immediate family and are successful in your visa application and you are granted a permanent subclass 866 Protection visa, you may be able to propose them for humanitarian entry to Australia ...

“With regard to a Humanitarian entry proposal an immediate family includes your partner, dependent children and your parents (if you are under 18 years of age).” (My emphasis.)

Not only that, well-meaning lawyers will give free help. Here the law firm Minters innocently explains the deal in an email asking for volunteers for the Refugee and Immigration Legal Service ( and note what I’ve highlighted):

“RAILS has a significant case load resulting from the release of large numbers of single men who have been found to be genuine refugees and released from Christmas Island. Many of them are being resettled in Brisbane.

“Among those single men are quite a few unaccompanied minors, (mostly) boys ranging in age from 15 to (almost) 18. RAILS is assisting these children who have been granted protection visas to be reunited with their parents and siblings who remain overseas.

“Completion and lodgement of an application by their parents is crucial because once the boys turn 18 it becomes far more difficult, if not almost impossible, for them to successfully propose their parents for an Australian visa.”

Hello? Haven’t these lawyers smelled a rat? Only one of two conclusions seems possible, and I favour the latter.

The first is that the Government and activist lawyers are luring families into risking their children’s lives by sending them by boat, alone, to Australia.

The alternative is that they - and we - are being played for fools.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_they_seem_old_for_their_age_or_were_dumb_for_our_own/

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 6:03am:


Mmmmmmmmmmmm.
If Brown and his hippie mates had their way, we would have open borders.
And when Australia becomes a third world country?
Ooooooops.
But it's all too late then.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 9:29am:




oh ands theres me thinking you were/are a greenie who believes in open borders.. let all and sundry come at will... if you preach it live it.. why should those who dont want open borders care for all and sundry.. you say let them in I say let you take care of them..fair enough!!!

you complain about everything and everyway the old parties handle this subject.. so lets see you do something other than complain...

reach into your pockets and into your homes..sim ple it isnt hard to live as one preaches

I am in favor of sending every single last one of them back.

We don't need nor want more crap people from shite countries in our country.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 10:48am:



Walter, what is your country again? America, England, or Canada? They all have more asylum seekers than we do. Or is Australia your country today?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 10:48am:




as our great australian tennis champ screamed....come on!!!!!


Cant we get the cultures and problems from other countries into Australia so WE CAN ASSIMILATE to their cultures...just to make them feel at home again!!!!

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 12:23pm:



True

Theyre male cause of the horrible sea travel that they willingly endure, but when they get here we allow them to import their wives (yes they probably have a few), children & parents here as well but they come first class!

From a bloke who refuses to live in Australia yet tells everyone how they should live.....

Yep, a fine person to comment.

You stick to your rice and chicken.

This boat people argument is making me dizzy.  Same old thing, and around and around we go.

Things wont change.

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Agreed.

I was cycling around the Dubbo Western Plains Zoo once and ran into a couple from London. They were talking to me about how great Australia is and how great Dubbo was in particular. The subject of what the U.K is like came up and they told me that living there is a game of "spot the Englishman". They obviously were alienated greatly by this and found Dubbo, with its evident ethnic homogenity and its population, being primarily of British extraction, comforting. I felt bad for them but didn't know what to think until I returned to London a few years after. They were right.

It isn't Britain anymore. It's the Caliphrate of Subcontinental Afro-Carribeans. All that is happening is that you are quite literally making a nation less like a family. The bonds of genetic-relatedness keep us together within nations greater than any other force. And this has been demonstrated countlessly in the literature.

South is worse than the North in most areas I think.

Yeah, and then it is likewise funny that all the people in the places they chose to colonise wanted independence so badly, but now that they have it they all want to come to the U.K.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 1:12pm:




Apart from those dirty , hairy hobbits .

Then it'll be New America.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 1:12pm:


Didn't seem that way when I was over there.

Evidently, in 2005, less than 2% of people living in Greater Manchester were Black (though I don't see why it matters, given some of the most "British" people I met were black).

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 1:55pm:


Take a walk down Brixton, Vauxhall, Whitechapel, Edmonton or Acton lately Jay.

Doesn't resemble England does it?

culldav wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:02pm:


Culldav...Have you SEEN photos or film of what some of those refugee camps are like???

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 12:23pm:


Yes - they said the same about European Jews in WWII.

They live in ghettoes. They live in rank, diseased conditions. Their corpses attract the flies.

We don't want them.

FD wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:09pm:


But Karnal, it does beg the question WHY would you abandon your family (wife/children etc) and destroy all your documentation, before you paid the AU$10k to get on a leaky boat....

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:08pm:


LOL...might explain why the apparently felt so comfortable visiting a zoo in a former British penal colony...

The Western Plains Zoo is awesome, Equitist

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:18pm:


Let's be fair though Jay...Most of the refugees come from countries where you need 2 or 3 forms of ID to walk down the streets (and use a public toilet) and where the police can stop you and demand indentity papers whenever they feel like it...
The same situation that the 'big brother' nutters rave about whenever the 'Australia Card' is mentioned....

If you can't buy milk without carrying an ID card, what are the chances that you'd 'forget' to grab it when you ran for the border????

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:23pm:


Which countries would those be?

It wouldn't be one of those which hasn't conducted a Census in yonks - and/or can't tell us whether the 'Coalition of the Killing' have wiped out millions of civilians, or just hundreds of thousands...

Seriously, tho', there are many circumstances where having papers might immediately endanger someone's life...

True story: in a South American country, a relative of my children (who are the offspring of political refugee) was arrested in her late teens and incarcerated for 19 months without charge - on the basis that her details were recorded in the address book of her then former boyfriend (who was a militant)...

For most of her incarceration period, her family didn't know whether she was dead or alive...

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:36pm:


Simple solution: do your country shopping elsewhere and stay the smack outta here!

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:54pm:


If someone is fleeing persecution, then they would be wise not to risk having papers on them as they attempt to cross the border...

I sure hope that all of the people complaining (in this thread, and Australia wide) about the flood of boat people voted for the Coalition at the last Federal Election.

If you voted for Labor or the Greens then you've got exactly what you voted for.

Australia came so close to getting something done about this increasing problem. But, we blew it...

Care to discuss the topic instead of making stupid comments about somebody you know nothing about, 'darkhall'?

At last count, no less than 80% of Australians wanted something done about the number of boats arriving illegally to Australia, pity Labor and the Greens appear to be more concerned with catering for their 'chosen' minorities irrespective of what a larger percentage of the tax-paying public thinks.

See, Gillard wont opt for the 'Nauru' solution, where there's a detention centre already built and waiting, because her party bagged it out last time round, when Howard was in power, so rather than look like the hypocrites they are, they plan to waste even more Australian tax-payers money by  building more detention centres elsewhere, ones with the ALP slogan on them I'm sure.


Talk about petty defiance.

FD wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:41pm:


Care to show me where my post refers to the race of the people.
It referred definitely to skillset and origin of countries where the education level is markedly better than others.

But nope, nothing on race of the people at all....

Equitist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:59pm:

But how can they EVEN reach the border without the papers????

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:56pm:


I think so too. Many non-white groups are obviously very hard working and in some cases, are eactually more intelligent than white people. I don't see why this fact inevitably should result in a wholesale race replacement of the majority people. I don't think anybody here wants to be a minority, even if one will end up a minority to highly intelligent, high achieving Asians and Sub-Continental Indians.

That says nothing about the effects multiethnicity may have on things that people here may consider important. I say let's have an ethnic status quo like in 1924. Bring people in here by the proportion that they are in the population at this present moment.

And reduce the overall numbers to negligble proportions.

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Your proof of that is?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:53pm:


Come on, Andre. You're among friends here. No need to play to the stalls.

We're a white country. The Aboriginals were a momentary aberation.

Multiculturalism is a brief aberation. In a couple of years time, we'll be back to the White Australia Policy, Lord be praised.

FD wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:10pm:



I see you're attemtping to be cyncial, but it's actually true....excpet I doubt we will be returning to a white australia policy.

Imagine if Pakistan had a referendum on the 200,000 odd refugees they get there each year. Imagine if Pakistan even cared.

Still, you can't go wrong with democracy. Take the one to two thousand people we get on an average year to the polls. Let the people decide.

FD wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:10pm:


Oh please Karnal....(although I think you're joking) Australia is NOT a 'white country'....

Since a couple of Afghanis with camels helped out in some desert expedition!!!!

LOOK AT THE MUSLIM CONTRIBUTION, MAN!!!!

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There was no country before white people were here.

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I'd like to read that,where did you read it?
Did Pig iron Bob have a referendum on all the jews coming after the war?
You see non of what you write makes sense, Harold Holt was the Liberal PM who canned the WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY in 1967.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:23pm:



they might have inhabited this LAND, but they had sweet FA to do with building this NATION.

I doubt very much  80% of Australians are in favour of illegal immigration, people smuggling, irresponsible/unsustainable migration and immigration in general unless it's sustainable, unless you read "left green weekly", and believe their sugar coated rubbish. The rapid retreat from a large Australia by lib/lab at the last election shows the majority of Australians do not favour the open boarder to refugees approach.

Get the message!



The Greens were rewarded at the last election with more votes, but then again, so were the far right, so....