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Re: And STILL they come....more Boat people
Reply #75 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:25pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:16pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:13pm:

FD wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 12:23pm:

I have never understood why people think it is a good idea to allow these urchins into the country.

They arrive with nothing so we pay for their housing, we pay for their living expenses, they have no skills so we'll never be paid back.

Quite frankly they are other countries' garbage and if they have seen the good sense to see the back of them - why on earth do we want them?

Oh yeah they are 'fleeing war zones' right?

Interesting that 99% of them are male. So these guys have left behind the women and children to this war zone.

What heroes.

Yes - they said the same about European Jews in WWII.

They live in ghettoes. They live in rank, diseased conditions. Their corpses attract the flies.

We don't want them.

But Karnal, it does beg the question WHY would you abandon your family (wife/children etc) and destroy all your documentation, before you paid the AU$10k to get on a leaky boat....

How exactly is that my problem though?
What is my problem is the fact they turn up with nothing and my taxes go towards paying for them instead of my own people.

Dunno - maybe something to do with payback for the sins of your ancestors - who turned up at various places, with guns in bigger and better boats, and proceeded to abuse, enslave and exploit the people (along with their land and natural resources) and imposed a range of self-serving laws, taxes and other systems to steal their wealth...

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Re: And STILL they come....more Boat people
Reply #76 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:32pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:23pm:

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:13pm:

But Karnal, it does beg the question WHY would you abandon your family (wife/children etc) and destroy all your documentation, before you paid the AU$10k to get on a leaky boat....

How many of them actually destroy their documentation? What are they told prior to arriving in the destination? The whole subject is quiet difficult, but I suspect that not everything is ALWAYS as sinister (though in some cases it might well be) as some make out.

I can tell you why some of them leave their families behind though - "they" (and I say "they" knowing it's impossible to speak for all the migrants) genuinely believe that they will be able to arrive in Australia, set themselves up, and be able to send money and have their families sent over. Given the role of women in some of these cultures, it's not difficult to see why the men don't send their wives and/or children over on their own, is it.

Let's be fair though Jay...Most of the refugees come from countries where you need 2 or 3 forms of ID to walk down the streets (and use a public toilet) and where the police can stop you and demand indentity papers whenever they feel like it...
The same situation that the 'big brother' nutters rave about whenever the 'Australia Card' is mentioned....

If you can't buy milk without carrying an ID card, what are the chances that you'd 'forget' to grab it when you ran for the border????

Which countries would those be?

It wouldn't be one of those which hasn't conducted a Census in yonks - and/or can't tell us whether the 'Coalition of the Killing' have wiped out millions of civilians, or just hundreds of thousands...

Seriously, tho', there are many circumstances where having papers might immediately endanger someone's life...

True story: in a South American country, a relative of my children (who are the offspring of political refugee) was arrested in her late teens and incarcerated for 19 months without charge - on the basis that her details were recorded in the address book of her then former boyfriend (who was a militant)...

For most of her incarceration period, her family didn't know whether she was dead or alive...

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Re: And STILL they come....more Boat people
Reply #77 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:36pm

I am all for migration, I think its a good thing.

However we want to be attracting, skilled workers from the developed world who are going to contribute in revenue to the country.

Rickety boats made up of a collection of shoe shiners are not going to do that.

I mean look at the fking state of them, horrible people who have no place in Australia.

We even had the Sri Lankan Government, an Australian ally, saying that Australia was a soft touch and that most of these people are not refugees but wanted terrorists.

I would send the lot back. I do not want to share a country with such wasters.

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Re: And STILL they come....more Boat people
Reply #78 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:50pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:36pm:

I am all for migration, I think its a good thing.

However we want to be attracting, skilled workers from the developed world who are going to contribute in revenue to the country.

Rickety boats made up of a collection of shoe shiners are not going to do that.

I mean look at the fking state of them, horrible people who have no place in Australia.

We even had the Sri Lankan Government, an Australian ally, saying that Australia was a soft touch and that most of these people are not refugees but wanted terrorists.

I would send the lot back. I do not want to share a country with such wasters.

Simple solution: do your country shopping elsewhere and stay the smack outta here!

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Reply #79 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:54pm

Equitist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:32pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:23pm:

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:13pm:

But Karnal, it does beg the question WHY would you abandon your family (wife/children etc) and destroy all your documentation, before you paid the AU$10k to get on a leaky boat....

How many of them actually destroy their documentation? What are they told prior to arriving in the destination? The whole subject is quiet difficult, but I suspect that not everything is ALWAYS as sinister (though in some cases it might well be) as some make out.

I can tell you why some of them leave their families behind though - "they" (and I say "they" knowing it's impossible to speak for all the migrants) genuinely believe that they will be able to arrive in Australia, set themselves up, and be able to send money and have their families sent over. Given the role of women in some of these cultures, it's not difficult to see why the men don't send their wives and/or children over on their own, is it.

Let's be fair though Jay...Most of the refugees come from countries where you need 2 or 3 forms of ID to walk down the streets (and use a public toilet) and where the police can stop you and demand indentity papers whenever they feel like it...
The same situation that the 'big brother' nutters rave about whenever the 'Australia Card' is mentioned....

If you can't buy milk without carrying an ID card, what are the chances that you'd 'forget' to grab it when you ran for the border????

Which countries would those be?

It wouldn't be one of those which hasn't conducted a Census in yonks - and/or can't tell us whether the 'Coalition of the Killing' have wiped out millions of civilians, or just hundreds of thousands...

Seriously, tho', there are many circumstances where having papers might immediately endanger someone's life...

True story: in a South American country, a relative of my children (who are the offspring of political refugee) was arrested in her late teens and incarcerated for 19 months without charge - on the basis that her details were recorded in the address book of her then former boyfriend (who was a militant)...

For most of her incarceration period, her family didn't know whether she was dead or alive...

Which pretty much supports MY post...Afghanistan under the Taliban, Iraq under Saddam( I think).. and a few other socialist/communist countries...

Australia's pretty 'free' and open...but how long has it been since you went out without a wallet/purse with a license/medicare card(or some other form of ID) in it??

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Re: And STILL they come....more Boat people
Reply #80 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:59pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:54pm:

Equitist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:32pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:23pm:

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:13pm:

But Karnal, it does beg the question WHY would you abandon your family (wife/children etc) and destroy all your documentation, before you paid the AU$10k to get on a leaky boat....

How many of them actually destroy their documentation? What are they told prior to arriving in the destination? The whole subject is quiet difficult, but I suspect that not everything is ALWAYS as sinister (though in some cases it might well be) as some make out.

I can tell you why some of them leave their families behind though - "they" (and I say "they" knowing it's impossible to speak for all the migrants) genuinely believe that they will be able to arrive in Australia, set themselves up, and be able to send money and have their families sent over. Given the role of women in some of these cultures, it's not difficult to see why the men don't send their wives and/or children over on their own, is it.

Let's be fair though Jay...Most of the refugees come from countries where you need 2 or 3 forms of ID to walk down the streets (and use a public toilet) and where the police can stop you and demand indentity papers whenever they feel like it...
The same situation that the 'big brother' nutters rave about whenever the 'Australia Card' is mentioned....

If you can't buy milk without carrying an ID card, what are the chances that you'd 'forget' to grab it when you ran for the border????

Which countries would those be?

It wouldn't be one of those which hasn't conducted a Census in yonks - and/or can't tell us whether the 'Coalition of the Killing' have wiped out millions of civilians, or just hundreds of thousands...

Seriously, tho', there are many circumstances where having papers might immediately endanger someone's life...

True story: in a South American country, a relative of my children (who are the offspring of political refugee) was arrested in her late teens and incarcerated for 19 months without charge - on the basis that her details were recorded in the address book of her then former boyfriend (who was a militant)...

For most of her incarceration period, her family didn't know whether she was dead or alive...

Which pretty much supports MY post...Afghanistan under the Taliban, Iraq under Saddam( I think).. and a few other socialist/communist countries...

Australia's pretty 'free' and open...but how long has it been since you went out without a wallet/purse with a license/medicare card(or some other form of ID) in it??

If someone is fleeing persecution, then they would be wise not to risk having papers on them as they attempt to cross the border...

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Re: And STILL they come....more Boat people
Reply #81 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:15pm

Equitist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:54pm:

Equitist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:32pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:23pm:

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:13pm:

But Karnal, it does beg the question WHY would you abandon your family (wife/children etc) and destroy all your documentation, before you paid the AU$10k to get on a leaky boat....

How many of them actually destroy their documentation? What are they told prior to arriving in the destination? The whole subject is quiet difficult, but I suspect that not everything is ALWAYS as sinister (though in some cases it might well be) as some make out.

I can tell you why some of them leave their families behind though - "they" (and I say "they" knowing it's impossible to speak for all the migrants) genuinely believe that they will be able to arrive in Australia, set themselves up, and be able to send money and have their families sent over. Given the role of women in some of these cultures, it's not difficult to see why the men don't send their wives and/or children over on their own, is it.

Let's be fair though Jay...Most of the refugees come from countries where you need 2 or 3 forms of ID to walk down the streets (and use a public toilet) and where the police can stop you and demand indentity papers whenever they feel like it...
The same situation that the 'big brother' nutters rave about whenever the 'Australia Card' is mentioned....

If you can't buy milk without carrying an ID card, what are the chances that you'd 'forget' to grab it when you ran for the border????

Which countries would those be?

It wouldn't be one of those which hasn't conducted a Census in yonks - and/or can't tell us whether the 'Coalition of the Killing' have wiped out millions of civilians, or just hundreds of thousands...

Seriously, tho', there are many circumstances where having papers might immediately endanger someone's life...

True story: in a South American country, a relative of my children (who are the offspring of political refugee) was arrested in her late teens and incarcerated for 19 months without charge - on the basis that her details were recorded in the address book of her then former boyfriend (who was a militant)...

For most of her incarceration period, her family didn't know whether she was dead or alive...

Which pretty much supports MY post...Afghanistan under the Taliban, Iraq under Saddam( I think).. and a few other socialist/communist countries...

Australia's pretty 'free' and open...but how long has it been since you went out without a wallet/purse with a license/medicare card(or some other form of ID) in it??

If someone is fleeing persecution, then they would be wise not to risk having papers on them as they attempt to cross the border...

How is that a reason for turning Australia into a cesspit?

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Reply #82 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:17pm

I sure hope that all of the people complaining (in this thread, and Australia wide) about the flood of boat people voted for the Coalition at the last Federal Election.

If you voted for Labor or the Greens then you've got exactly what you voted for.

Australia came so close to getting something done about this increasing problem. But, we blew it...

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Reply #83 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:24pm

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I sure hope that all of the people complaining (in this thread, and Australia wide) about the flood of boat people voted for the Coalition at the last Federal Election.

If you voted for Labor or the Greens then you've got exactly what you voted for.

Australia came so close to getting something done about this increasing problem. But, we blew it...

I suspect "blowing it" is a common occurrence for you carl.

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Carl D Ex Member	Re: And STILL they come....more Boat people Reply #84 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:28pm Care to discuss the topic instead of making stupid comments about somebody you know nothing about, 'darkhall'?
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darkhall67 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1935	Re: And STILL they come....more Boat people Reply #85 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:31pm Quote: Care to discuss the topic instead of making stupid comments about somebody you know nothing about, 'darkhall'? Did you discuss the topic? Or were you patting yourself on the back for voting for the coalition when all those blind , stupid , ignorant ninnies voted for labor and the greens?
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Reply #86 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:38pm

At last count, no less than 80% of Australians wanted something done about the number of boats arriving illegally to Australia, pity Labor and the Greens appear to be more concerned with catering for their 'chosen' minorities irrespective of what a larger percentage of the tax-paying public thinks.

See, Gillard wont opt for the 'Nauru' solution, where there's a detention centre already built and waiting, because her party bagged it out last time round, when Howard was in power, so rather than look like the hypocrites they are, they plan to waste even more Australian tax-payers money by building more detention centres elsewhere, ones with the ALP slogan on them I'm sure. Roll Eyes

Talk about petty defiance. Roll Eyes

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Reply #87 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:41pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:36pm:

I am all for migration, I think its a good thing.

However we want to be attracting, skilled workers from the developed world who are going to contribute in revenue to the country.

Oh, yes. And they would just happen to be nice white people too.

I'm no racist!

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Reply #88 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:53pm

FD wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:41pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:36pm:

I am all for migration, I think its a good thing.

However we want to be attracting, skilled workers from the developed world who are going to contribute in revenue to the country.

Oh, yes. And they would just happen to be nice white people too.

I'm no racist!

Care to show me where my post refers to the race of the people.
It referred definitely to skillset and origin of countries where the education level is markedly better than others.

But nope, nothing on race of the people at all....

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Reply #89 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:56pm

FD wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:41pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:36pm:

I am all for migration, I think its a good thing.

However we want to be attracting, skilled workers from the developed world who are going to contribute in revenue to the country.

Oh, yes. And they would just happen to be nice white people too.

I'm no racist!

As horrible as you'll pretend it is, this country is a white country, and thus, whites are most compatible with it. This is not to say that no non-white people can be of benefit, but certainyl the greatest number of comaptible migrants are going to be white. Nothing sinister about that.

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