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Re: And STILL they come....more Boat people
Reply #150 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:59pm

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:23pm:

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:21pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:20pm:

FD wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:53pm:

FD wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:41pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:36pm:

I am all for migration, I think its a good thing.

However we want to be attracting, skilled workers from the developed world who are going to contribute in revenue to the country.

Oh, yes. And they would just happen to be nice white people too.

I'm no racist!

Care to show me where my post refers to the race of the people.
It referred definitely to skillset and origin of countries where the education level is markedly better than others.

But nope, nothing on race of the people at all....

Come on, Andre. You're among friends here. No need to play to the stalls.

We're a white country. The Aboriginals were a momentary aberation.

Multiculturalism is a brief aberation. In a couple of years time, we'll be back to the White Australia Policy, Lord be praised.

Oh please Karnal....(although I think you're joking) Australia is NOT a 'white country'....

It's Not? Since when?

Umm since about 40,000 years ago.....

Australia 'might' have a white CULTURE, but the country isn't white, the Aboriginals were here FIRST...

they might have inhabited this LAND, but they had sweet FA to do with building this NATION.

And WHAT does 'buliding this nation' have to do with the colour of the 'country'????
The aboriginals were HERE, they had a 'society' so what does THAT have to do with the 'modern' Australia???

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Reply #151 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 5:00pm

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:57pm:

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Fact remains we're a white nation, whetehr we've been a nation for 100 or 1000 years.

LOL, the white Australia policy was binned in 1967 old chum, you didn't listen very well at school did you?

So what happened in 1967? Did all the white people get deported?

Noooo they stayed, and they country remained overwhelmingly white didn't it?

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Reply #152 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 5:02pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:59pm:

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:23pm:

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:21pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:20pm:

FD wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:53pm:

FD wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:41pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:36pm:

I am all for migration, I think its a good thing.

However we want to be attracting, skilled workers from the developed world who are going to contribute in revenue to the country.

Oh, yes. And they would just happen to be nice white people too.

I'm no racist!

Care to show me where my post refers to the race of the people.
It referred definitely to skillset and origin of countries where the education level is markedly better than others.

But nope, nothing on race of the people at all....

Come on, Andre. You're among friends here. No need to play to the stalls.

We're a white country. The Aboriginals were a momentary aberation.

Multiculturalism is a brief aberation. In a couple of years time, we'll be back to the White Australia Policy, Lord be praised.

Oh please Karnal....(although I think you're joking) Australia is NOT a 'white country'....

It's Not? Since when?

Umm since about 40,000 years ago.....

Australia 'might' have a white CULTURE, but the country isn't white, the Aboriginals were here FIRST...

they might have inhabited this LAND, but they had sweet FA to do with building this NATION.

And WHAT does 'buliding this nation' have to do with the colour of the 'country'????
The aboriginals were HERE, they had a 'society' so what does THAT have to do with the 'modern' Australia???

*sigh*
White people built the nation, and make up the bulk of the population. I don't know what criteria you're working on, but that kinda suggests it's a white country doncha think?

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Re: And STILL they come....more Boat people
Reply #153 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 5:05pm

JC Denton wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:53pm:

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I'll be looking after my own family, thank you very much.

Sounds like you're a wicked family supremacist to me. Besides the fact that you're genetically related to them, why do they matter to you? You don't choose who your mother, father and uncle are. Being proud of them or wanting to support them or see the best for them is antiquated and offensive.

Exactly. But I'll be serious with you for a sec, Imperium: I've never understood this bizarre idea of being loyal to your own race. I've never understood why I should get on better with whites, for example, than anyone else. It seems important to you and WP, but I just don't get it.

Culture, sure, but I grew up with Australian-cultured kids from a range of different racial backgrounds. It didn't mean jack-sh!t to us. I'll tell you one thing: I've got a lot more in common with n!ggers and gooks than I have with pig-ignorant, Nazi rednecks.

Which is why I can't understand your viewpoint - you're not pig-ignorant, you're a reasonably nice guy. I'm guessing that you haven't travelled much or met many people from other backgrounds. I mean, why would you care what race people are? Why would you care what hair or skin colour someone has?

Why would it be an issue at all?

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Re: And STILL they come....more Boat people
Reply #154 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 5:05pm

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:29pm:

they might have inhabited this LAND, but they had sweet FA to do with building this NATION.

Dam I like that comment

If the aborigines really want to go back to "the way things were" then they'd all be dropping dead around 30-40 years old!

And they can give back all the handouts, all the houses, let them go back to their bark huts!
And no plumbing or use of medical centres -go back to the gum leaves bro!

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Re: And STILL they come....more Boat people
Reply #155 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 5:07pm

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 5:02pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:59pm:

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:23pm:

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:21pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:20pm:

FD wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:53pm:

FD wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 3:41pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 2:36pm:

I am all for migration, I think its a good thing.

However we want to be attracting, skilled workers from the developed world who are going to contribute in revenue to the country.

Oh, yes. And they would just happen to be nice white people too.

I'm no racist!

Care to show me where my post refers to the race of the people.
It referred definitely to skillset and origin of countries where the education level is markedly better than others.

But nope, nothing on race of the people at all....

Come on, Andre. You're among friends here. No need to play to the stalls.

We're a white country. The Aboriginals were a momentary aberation.

Multiculturalism is a brief aberation. In a couple of years time, we'll be back to the White Australia Policy, Lord be praised.

Oh please Karnal....(although I think you're joking) Australia is NOT a 'white country'....

It's Not? Since when?

Umm since about 40,000 years ago.....

Australia 'might' have a white CULTURE, but the country isn't white, the Aboriginals were here FIRST...

they might have inhabited this LAND, but they had sweet FA to do with building this NATION.

And WHAT does 'buliding this nation' have to do with the colour of the 'country'????
The aboriginals were HERE, they had a 'society' so what does THAT have to do with the 'modern' Australia???

*sigh*
White people built the nation, and make up the bulk of the population. I don't know what criteria you're working on, but that kinda suggests it's a white country doncha think?

And the same idea applies to South Africa, doesn't it??

Invasion or colonisation isn't the same as 'original' population....

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Re: And STILL they come....more Boat people
Reply #156 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 5:10pm

FD wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 5:05pm:

JC Denton wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:53pm:

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I'll be looking after my own family, thank you very much.

Sounds like you're a wicked family supremacist to me. Besides the fact that you're genetically related to them, why do they matter to you? You don't choose who your mother, father and uncle are. Being proud of them or wanting to support them or see the best for them is antiquated and offensive.

Exactly. But I'll be serious with you for a sec, Imperium: I've never understood this bizarre idea of being loyal to your own race. I've never understood why I should get on better with whites, for example, than anyone else. It seems important to you and WP, but I just don't get it.

Culture, sure, but I grew up with Australian-cultured kids from a range of different racial backgrounds. It didn't mean jack-sh!t to us. I'll tell you one thing: I've got a lot more in common with n!ggers and gooks than I have with pig-ignorant, Nazi rednecks.

Which is why I can't understand your viewpoint - you're not pig-ignorant, you're a reasonably nice guy. I'm guessing that you haven't travelled much or met many people from other backgrounds. I mean, why would you care what race people are? Why would you care what hair or skin colour someone has?

Why would it be an issue at all?

It all boils down to the old adage 'birds of a feather flock together'
This isn't to say that no two people of different races can ever get along, that'd be silly, but generally the pattern holds.

denying this is an assault on common sense, and it is this denial of the obvious which makes me resist.

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Reply #158 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 5:11pm

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:56pm:

FD wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:53pm:

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:51pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:45pm:

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:43pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:42pm:

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There was no concept among the Aboriginals of a unified continent organized in a coherent political body.

I hate to spoil your party Imp, but there was no "unified continent"white Australia for the first 130 years either, ever heard of federation? it didn't happen until 1901.

And your point is.........?

I'm sorry , if you cant read basic English I cannot help you.

Oh I can read alright fella...but please explain how the date of federation is relevant? Still doesn't mean there was any aboriginal nation does it?

You might remember a little legal decision known as Mabo.

Sadly, in the law, it does.

naaah I don't think so.

If I own my house and land, that doesn't equate to my house and land being a nation in itself does it?

Cos that's the bow you're drawing here....

Mabo overturned Terra Nullius and showed that there was an Aboriginal rule of law before European settlement - hence, a previous legal system and a previous nation, or collection of nations.

It's not about real estate, Mabo proved Aboriginal and Torres Strait sovereignty - in law.

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Reply #159 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 5:13pm

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And the same idea applies to South Africa, doesn't it??

Invasion or colonisation isn't the same as 'original' population....

Err no....since when have whites consitituted the majority of Sth Africa?

and also, what is an 'original population'? Even aborigines came here from somewhere else...The english are a mishmash of invaders...I doubt there is any such thing as an 'original' population anywhere in the world.

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Reply #160 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 5:19pm

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 5:00pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 4:57pm:

LOL, the white Australia policy was binned in 1967 old chum, you didn't listen very well at school did you?

So what happened in 1967? Did all the white people get deported?

Noooo they stayed, and they country remained overwhelmingly white didn't it?

It was actually 1973 when we got rid of the White Australia policy - 1967 was the year that the aborigines were finally recognised as human beings - not flora and fauna.

Multiculturalism commenced in the 70's - thanks to a group of wealthy Jewish entrepeneurs.

There was a snippet of news this morning - didn't hear the full details, but apparently some British ex pm has made a startling admission that multiculturalism was introduced to deliberately destroy England's culture and create disunity amongst the citizens. I didn't hear the specific reason given for this - but it had something to do with the EU, consumerism and a borderless Europe. Again - it could be media sensationalism.

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Reply #161 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 5:21pm

mantra wrote on Nov 17^th, 2010 at 5:19pm:

It was actually 1973 when we got rid of the White Australia policy - 1967 was the year that the aborigines were finally recognised as human beings

Aborigines are human beings????

Really?

No, seriously....really?

Ok I'll believe you, although the facts tell otherwise, just couldnt be bothered.

bwaaaaaaaahaaaaaa

No..really, are they?????

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Reply #162 - Nov 17^th, 2010 at 5:25pm

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No..really, are they?????

They've always been human beings Tickfen - the problem is that our pig ignorant governments of yesteryear didn't recognise it. Thank God we've progressed from those primitive days, although reading this forum at times - it seems as though we're still living in the 19th century if some of the RW posts are anything to go by.

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