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Re: No room for girlfriends at Ivanhoe Girls' dance
Reply #90 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 1:40pm

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 1:23pm:

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 1:12pm:

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Bobby. wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 12:14pm:

This whole thrtead is getting rather silly.

The girls need practice in dealing with males.
They will have plenty of time for their carpet munching activities
for the rest of their lives.

They should have gone to the function & picked a male partner.

Ok so what do you think the girl would have 'learned' by going to the dance with a male???
That she's not attracted to males??? I think she already knows that....
Or could it be she'd learn that other people have the right to dictate her lifestyle choices???

This ban was simply based on the fact that her partner was another girl....it wasn't about 'Year 10 students can't attend', because a Year 10 boy did attend, and from the way the article was written, Hannah was the only one who wanted to bring a girlfriend, so that's unlikely to 'destroy' the balance of boy-vs-girl at the dance....
It was the bias of the Headmistress and, possibly, the school that caused all this ruckus....

No, it was the sensationalistic media that caused all this ruckus. Gotta give the army of clapping seals something to get all outraged about - and what fits the bill better than a good spot of christian bashing eh?

And aren't christian schools and churches bound by the same rules as the rest of Australia????

Nope.

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ANTI-DISCRIMINATION ACT 1977 - SECT 49ZO
Education
49ZO Education

(1) It is unlawful for an educational authority to discriminate against a person on the ground of homosexuality:
(a) by refusing or failing to accept the person’s application for admission as a student, or
(b) in the terms on which it is prepared to admit the person as a student.

(2) It is unlawful for an educational authority to discriminate against a student on the ground of homosexuality:
(a) by denying the student access, or limiting the student’s access, to any benefit provided by the educational authority, or
(b) by expelling the student or subjecting the student to any other detriment.

(3) Nothing in this section applies to or in respect of a private educational authority.

And why should they be? They are entitled to their beliefs.
What the shrill, screaming lefties need to understand is that forcing everybody to compromise whatever beliefs they may have, so as not to offend some whining jokers, is discrimination too.

Ok so if the school objected to her lifestyle choice, why didn't they a) expell her, or b) admit that the reason she couldn't bring her girlfriend was, well, because she WAS a girl???

Why go through the song and dance about 'no Year 10 students' and then allow a male Yr 10 student to attend???

Because the reaction of the brainless PC clowns is as predictable as clockwork?

And just as predictable as the reaction of the anti-gay patrol...

Let's face it, if the girl's 'boyfriend' had been banned for being the wrong colour, or from the wrong religion or too old.....you'd be complaining about 'discrimination'..
But because the school's bias is in line with yours, you don't see it as 'discrimination'.....

Tell me, what are you going to do if your daughter walks up to you ( in 15 or 16 years) and 'comes out'??????

Just remember, there's pretty much a 50/50 chance that she might...

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Re: No room for girlfriends at Ivanhoe Girls' dance
Reply #92 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 2:46pm

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Just remember, there's pretty much a 50/50 chance that she might.

Laugh way, but it's really true...well maybe 33 1/3 chance then...
But think, she's either going to like boys, or girls, or both....
So if your daughter only has 3 choices, then it's a 1/3 bet on
which...yes??

That's NOT based on statistics across the population...just on 1 case...LOL

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Re: No room for girlfriends at Ivanhoe Girls' dance
Reply #93 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 3:20pm

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Just remember, there's pretty much a 50/50 chance that she might.

Laugh way, but it's really true...well maybe 33 1/3 chance then...
But think, she's either going to like boys, or girls, or both....
So if your daughter only has 3 choices, then it's a 1/3 bet on
which...yes??

That's NOT based on statistics across the population...just on 1 case...LOL

On the off chance she did, do you think i would expect everyone else to abandon their beliefs to accommodate her? Hopefully she'll be raised with a little more respect than this 'it's all about what I want and stuff the rest of you' girl.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41902 Gender:	Re: No room for girlfriends at Ivanhoe Girls' dance Reply #94 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 3:20pm the school runs the dance, they decide who can come and who can't. schoolgirl lesbians want to run a dance, fine. go and do it.
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Re: No room for girlfriends at Ivanhoe Girls' dance
Reply #95 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 3:27pm

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 3:20pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 2:46pm:

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 2:17pm:

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Just remember, there's pretty much a 50/50 chance that she might.

Laugh way, but it's really true...well maybe 33 1/3 chance then...
But think, she's either going to like boys, or girls, or both....
So if your daughter only has 3 choices, then it's a 1/3 bet on
which...yes??

That's NOT based on statistics across the population...just on 1 case...LOL

On the off chance she did, do you think i would expect everyone else to abandon their beliefs to accommodate her? Hopefully she'll be raised with a little more respect than this 'it's all about what I want and stuff the rest of you' girl.

But would you expect a school that you paid $4k or $6k per month to be a little more understanding...or at least a little more 'upfront' about their rules???

It's mostly the idea that they had to 'make up' a bogus rule that annoys me...

If they'd at least been honest enough to say, straight out, that same sex couples couldn't attend school dances, that would be acceptable (wrong, for discrimination reasons, but at least honest)....WHY lie about the reason for the refusal???

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Re: No room for girlfriends at Ivanhoe Girls' dance
Reply #96 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 3:33pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 3:27pm:

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 3:20pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 2:46pm:

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 2:17pm:

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Just remember, there's pretty much a 50/50 chance that she might.

Laugh way, but it's really true...well maybe 33 1/3 chance then...
But think, she's either going to like boys, or girls, or both....
So if your daughter only has 3 choices, then it's a 1/3 bet on
which...yes??

That's NOT based on statistics across the population...just on 1 case...LOL

On the off chance she did, do you think i would expect everyone else to abandon their beliefs to accommodate her? Hopefully she'll be raised with a little more respect than this 'it's all about what I want and stuff the rest of you' girl.

But would you expect a school that you paid $4k or $6k per month to be a little more understanding...or at least a little more 'upfront' about their rules???

It's mostly the idea that they had to 'make up' a bogus rule that annoys me...

If they'd at least been honest enough to say, straight out, that same sex couples couldn't attend school dances, that would be acceptable (wrong, for discrimination reasons, but at least honest)....WHY lie about the reason for the refusal???

History has demonstarted that the gay lobby aren't too keen on anything or anyone who doesn't immediately fall to their knees, fawning over fhow faaaaabulous they are. Whether unlawful or not, any action that casts homosexuals in anythign less than a positively glowing light is met with shrill protests that would just get on ya bloody nerves.
If you could avoid having a busload of screaming queers picketing outside your office, merely for exercising your right to live according to your beliefs, you'd take it, right?

I mean, it's not exactly a secret that christianity doesn't condone homosexuality, is it? It wouldn't take a genius to realise they're not exactly going to encourage a student to flout the very foundations of their teachings.

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Re: No room for girlfriends at Ivanhoe Girls' dance
Reply #97 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 3:39pm

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 3:33pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 3:27pm:

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 3:20pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 2:46pm:

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 2:17pm:

Quote:

Just remember, there's pretty much a 50/50 chance that she might.

Laugh way, but it's really true...well maybe 33 1/3 chance then...
But think, she's either going to like boys, or girls, or both....
So if your daughter only has 3 choices, then it's a 1/3 bet on
which...yes??

That's NOT based on statistics across the population...just on 1 case...LOL

On the off chance she did, do you think i would expect everyone else to abandon their beliefs to accommodate her? Hopefully she'll be raised with a little more respect than this 'it's all about what I want and stuff the rest of you' girl.

But would you expect a school that you paid $4k or $6k per month to be a little more understanding...or at least a little more 'upfront' about their rules???

It's mostly the idea that they had to 'make up' a bogus rule that annoys me...

If they'd at least been honest enough to say, straight out, that same sex couples couldn't attend school dances, that would be acceptable (wrong, for discrimination reasons, but at least honest)....WHY lie about the reason for the refusal???

History has demonstarted that the gay lobby aren't too keen on anything or anyone who doesn't immediately fall to their knees, fawning over fhow faaaaabulous they are. Whether unlawful or not, any action that casts homosexuals in anythign less than a positively glowing light is met with shrill protests that would just get on ya bloody nerves.
If you could avoid having a busload of screaming queers picketing outside your office, merely for exercising your right to live according to your beliefs, you'd take it, right?

I mean, it's not exactly a secret that christianity doesn't condone homosexuality, is it? It wouldn't take a genius to realise they're not exactly going to encourage a student to flout the very foundations of their teachings.

But would it really have hurt to allow ONE student, from a group of, roughly, 40 or 50 a little slack for ONE function???

What did they expect, that EVERY girl in the 'next' Yr 11 class would want to bring a female partner to the next Yr 11 formal???
Seriously, shouldn't they either bend to current attitudes, or at least state publically they they won't??

It seems to be a fairly isolated case.....what would the school do about a girl who, while being heterosexual, didn't know any boy well enough to invite to the dance?? Ban her too???

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Reply #99 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 4:01pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 3:39pm:

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 3:33pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 3:27pm:

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 3:20pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 2:46pm:

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 2:17pm:

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Just remember, there's pretty much a 50/50 chance that she might.

Laugh way, but it's really true...well maybe 33 1/3 chance then...
But think, she's either going to like boys, or girls, or both....
So if your daughter only has 3 choices, then it's a 1/3 bet on
which...yes??

That's NOT based on statistics across the population...just on 1 case...LOL

On the off chance she did, do you think i would expect everyone else to abandon their beliefs to accommodate her? Hopefully she'll be raised with a little more respect than this 'it's all about what I want and stuff the rest of you' girl.

But would you expect a school that you paid $4k or $6k per month to be a little more understanding...or at least a little more 'upfront' about their rules???

It's mostly the idea that they had to 'make up' a bogus rule that annoys me...

If they'd at least been honest enough to say, straight out, that same sex couples couldn't attend school dances, that would be acceptable (wrong, for discrimination reasons, but at least honest)....WHY lie about the reason for the refusal???

History has demonstarted that the gay lobby aren't too keen on anything or anyone who doesn't immediately fall to their knees, fawning over fhow faaaaabulous they are. Whether unlawful or not, any action that casts homosexuals in anythign less than a positively glowing light is met with shrill protests that would just get on ya bloody nerves.
If you could avoid having a busload of screaming queers picketing outside your office, merely for exercising your right to live according to your beliefs, you'd take it, right?

I mean, it's not exactly a secret that christianity doesn't condone homosexuality, is it? It wouldn't take a genius to realise they're not exactly going to encourage a student to flout the very foundations of their teachings.

But would it really have hurt to allow ONE student, from a group of, roughly, 40 or 50 a little slack for ONE function???

What did they expect, that EVERY girl in the 'next' Yr 11 class would want to bring a female partner to the next Yr 11 formal???
Seriously, shouldn't they either bend to current attitudes, or at least state publically they they won't??

It seems to be a fairly isolated case.....what would the school do about a girl who, while being heterosexual, didn't know any boy well enough to invite to the dance?? Ban her too???

I read in one version of the artcile that 'about half' of the girls didn't bring any partner at all. But that'd be too easy....

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Reply #101 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 4:39pm

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LOL...yes, because 16 year old boys or girls are sooo worldly, wise and mature aren't they?

16 year old boys or girls would know if they are gay or not.

ask a gay person when they realised they were gay and it's usually before they even hit puberty.

I can't argue with that, but many aren't sure at age 16 either.

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Reply #102 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 4:47pm

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 4:39pm:

what_katy_did wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 4:34pm:

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 10:43am:

LOL...yes, because 16 year old boys or girls are sooo worldly, wise and mature aren't they?

16 year old boys or girls would know if they are gay or not.

ask a gay person when they realised they were gay and it's usually before they even hit puberty.

I can't argue with that, but many aren't sure at age 16 either.

so if a young person 'isn't sure', then they aren't sure.

i'm not 'sure' what that actually has to do with this situation, where the girl seems pretty sure to me.

But apart from all that, I have to mention that Chris Lily classic 'Summer Heights High' - if any of you haven't seen it, find the 'school formal' episode on U-tube - the main character Jaime decides it would be 'hot' to take a lesbian to the formal... pretty funny even if it is poking fun at a serious topic.

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Re: No room for girlfriends at Ivanhoe Girls' dance
Reply #103 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 4:58pm

what_katy_did wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 4:47pm:

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 4:39pm:

what_katy_did wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 4:34pm:

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 10:43am:

LOL...yes, because 16 year old boys or girls are sooo worldly, wise and mature aren't they?

16 year old boys or girls would know if they are gay or not.

ask a gay person when they realised they were gay and it's usually before they even hit puberty.

I can't argue with that, but many aren't sure at age 16 either.

so if a young person 'isn't sure', then they aren't sure.

i'm not 'sure' what that actually has to do with this situation, where the girl seems pretty sure to me.

But apart from all that, I have to mention that Chris Lily classic 'Summer Heights High' - if any of you haven't seen it, find the 'school formal' episode on U-tube - the main character Jaime decides it would be 'hot' to take a lesbian to the formal... pretty funny even if it is poking fun at a serious topic.

Doesn't matter anyway - this isn't about whether she is or isn't a lezza - this is about children learning that you sometimes have to play by the rules, even if it doesn't go your way.
Having a sook might work on daddy dearest, but ya can't win 'em all.

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Reply #104 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 5:09pm

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Doesn't matter anyway - this isn't about whether she is or isn't a lezza - this is about children learning that you sometimes have to play by the rules, even if it doesn't go your way.
Having a sook might work on daddy dearest, but ya can't win 'em all.

or, it may teach her that it takes courage to stand up and fight when you believe that people are being treated unjustly, even when it's likely that you may be ridiculed for your efforts?

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