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Reply #105 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 5:14pm

what_katy_did wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 5:09pm:

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 4:58pm:

or, it may teach her that it takes courage to stand up and fight when you believe that people are being treated unjustly, even when it's likely that you may be ridiculed for your efforts?

Yeah Maybe.
'snot the way I see it, but I can dig it.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120882 Melbourne Gender:	Re: No room for girlfriends at Ivanhoe Girls' dance Reply #106 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 10:18pm I've enjoyed this thread about those two little carpet munchers. May they munch on and find much happiness.
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Reply #107 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 11:10pm

what_katy_did wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 5:09pm:

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or, it may teach her that it takes courage to stand up and fight when you believe that people are being treated unjustly, even when it's likely that you may be ridiculed for your efforts?

It is not unjust to say to a girl of 17: "You have a girlfriend?? And you 'believe' in your right to have a girlfriend?? Don't be such a poseur, love, you are being ridiculous. Find something worthwhile to fight for if you want to make this a better world. Fighting for the right to pussy for 17 year old girls ain't it. That's a trashy, lame-o, cowarly copout. What next? Tattoos?? Nose piercing? Watching Australian Idol while squeezing your pimples? '

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Reply #108 - Nov 13^th, 2010 at 1:31am

Soren wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 11:10pm:

what_katy_did wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 5:09pm:

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 4:58pm:

It is not unjust to say to a girl of 17: "You have a girlfriend?? And you 'believe' in your right to have a girlfriend?? Don't be such a poseur, love, you are being ridiculous. Find something worthwhile to fight for if you want to make this a better world. Fighting for the right to pussy for 17 year old girls ain't it. That's a trashy, lame-o, cowarly copout. What next? Tattoos?? Nose piercing? Watching Australian Idol while squeezing your pimples? '

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: No room for girlfriends at Ivanhoe Girls' dance Reply #109 - Nov 13^th, 2010 at 8:44am Indeed - "you guarantee me it's cool? - lesbian issue solved, let's move on to dresses." The 'fighting for your beliefs' bit is just an afterthought to frighten the sniggerers into silence.
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Reply #110 - Nov 13^th, 2010 at 12:15pm

what_katy_did wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 5:09pm:

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or, it may teach her that it takes courage to stand up and fight when you believe that people are being treated unjustly, even when it's likely that you may be ridiculed for your efforts?

These brats need to first learn the difference between gutsy fighting, and self centred sooky sulking. They also need to learn when not to be precious little Prima Donnas. Would anyone here give either of these soggy little powder puffs a job. They`d be howling and squealing at the injustice of the first little thing that didn`t suit them.

This particular brand of attention seeking brings to mind, the story about the clowns who were calling ambulances for trivial scratches and paper cuts.

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Reply #111 - Nov 14^th, 2010 at 7:15am

aussiefree2ride wrote on Nov 13^th, 2010 at 12:15pm:

This particular brand of attention seeking brings to mind, the story about the clowns who were calling ambulances for trivial scratches and paper cuts.

how so? how does a girl fighting for the right to take her girlfriend to the prom compare to frivilous use of emergency services that could result in someone else losing a life?

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Reply #112 - Nov 14^th, 2010 at 8:48am

I can't work out why they would enrol in a Christian school, then whine about Christian principles.

The same as someone turning up to a mosque and complain about not being allowed to masturbate.

The girls need to change schools, perhaps a NON religious one would be more suitable.

About our school........

"Ivanhoe Girls' aims to provide the best learning and teaching which, underpinned by the Christian philosophy,"

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Reply #113 - Nov 14^th, 2010 at 9:15am

what_katy_did wrote on Nov 14^th, 2010 at 7:15am:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Nov 13^th, 2010 at 12:15pm:

This particular brand of attention seeking brings to mind, the story about the clowns who were calling ambulances for trivial scratches and paper cuts.

how so? how does a girl fighting for the right to take her girlfriend to the prom compare to frivilous use of emergency services that could result in someone else losing a life?

Fighting? Fighting involves effort, and pain, this is "fighting" in the same league as fembos call nagging someone "challenging them", conjuring up images of heroic combatants charging, thrusting, slashing, fighting selflessly to the death, rather than some silly old whining bag trying to talk a bloke into hanging himself.

These silly little brats need to wake up to themselves, and learn to live in the softest country in the history of the world.

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Reply #114 - Nov 14^th, 2010 at 11:41am

what_katy_did wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 7:18am:

... wrote on Nov 11^th, 2010 at 4:57pm:

Equitist wrote on Nov 11^th, 2010 at 4:19pm:

Apparently, the year 11 girl Hannah did not break any documented school rules - and she was not suspended or expelled, rather she is being withdrawn from the school due to parental concern over targeted discrimination...

If anything, it would seem that the school's Principal has been making up special discriminatory rules around that particular girl's case as it went along...

It has been claimed, that a Yr 10 boy (who cannot be a student at the all-girls school and cannot therefore be a fee-paying student) was ultimately permitted to attend that Formal as a 'guest' of another Yr 11 girl...

However, the girl Hannah's Yr 10 girlfriend is/was a fee-paying student at the school...

So, if that claim is true, then the school ought to be in deep shyte - especially if girl Hannah was (as has been alleged) the only student who was asked to provide details of the age of her intended Formal 'guest'...

You'd think if that was true, then the EOC would have made a ruling against the school pretty quick smart? But they havent.....

Wrong. This is the reason it was dismissed:

ANTI-DISCRIMINATION ACT 1977 - SECT 49ZO
Education
49ZO Education

(1) It is unlawful for an educational authority to discriminate against a person on the ground of homosexuality:
(a) by refusing or failing to accept the person’s application for admission as a student, or
(b) in the terms on which it is prepared to admit the person as a student.

(2) It is unlawful for an educational authority to discriminate against a student on the ground of homosexuality:
(a) by denying the student access, or limiting the student’s access, to any benefit provided by the educational authority, or
(b) by expelling the student or subjecting the student to any other detriment.

(3) Nothing in this section applies to or in respect of a private educational authority.

Sorry, folks, to dredge up a post from the middle of the thread, but I've been offline for a couple of days...

I'm not sure that the case was "dismissed" per se - because the parties were sent into mediation (which appears to be the preferred method for all Commissions and Ombudsman organisations - as they do not wish to set a legal precedent by imposing a decision, rather they tend to guide the parties on the basis of their likely decision)...

As I basically said the other day, I reckon that the Commission ought to automatically prosecute clear acts of institutional discrimination - because an act of wanton discrimination ought not be swept under a bureaucratic carpet...

If mediation is to be utilised, then it should only be limited to negotiating the bases of the future relationship betwixt the parties...

Anyways, from where I'm sitting, this seems to be an anomaly in the Anti-Discrimination Act - which generally focuses on the inherent nature and effect of acts of discrimination rather than on the rights of the perpetrator...

After all, a private commercial organisation is not normally exempt from discrimination against homosexuals just because it is a 'private' organisation...

What's worse, IM(not-so)HO, is that so-called 'private' schools receive substantial public funding and are therefore not entirely 'private'...

I'd also suggest that we Aussies ought to be careful not to support discrimination by one particular private institution, since that paves the way for future discrimination by other private institutions...

Either way, the school at issue ought not be excused for its targeted and sustained maltreatment of these vulnerable girls...

As things stand, injustice has been allowed to prevail - and this serves the best overall interests of neither the complainant/s nor the broader community...

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Re: No room for girlfriends at Ivanhoe Girls' dance
Reply #115 - Nov 14^th, 2010 at 11:59am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 12:14pm:

This whole thrtead is getting rather silly.

The girls need practice in dealing with males.
They will have plenty of time for their carpet munching activities
for the rest of their lives.

They should have gone to the function & picked a male partner.

Sorry, Bobby, but that is a ludicrous argument...

Either way, I reckon that private schools ought to be providing better examples for promoting self-esteem and valuing differences - as well as demonstrating principled rule making, management, conflict resolution and public relations...

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Reply #116 - Nov 14^th, 2010 at 12:31pm

It worries me more that people are not recognising the rights of a private institution to be free to applies rules within itself that it wants.

When you join private institutions, you are agreeing to abide by their rules. Its not a matter of joining them and then changing them to suit you.

I see it no different from a forum. When you join, you do so agreeing to their rules.

In principle this is no different.

The beautiful part about it is since it is private, if you dont like it you are free to leave.

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Reply #117 - Nov 14^th, 2010 at 12:37pm

Equitist wrote on Nov 14^th, 2010 at 11:59am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 12:14pm:

This whole thrtead is getting rather silly.

The girls need practice in dealing with males.
They will have plenty of time for their carpet munching activities
for the rest of their lives.

They should have gone to the function & picked a male partner.

Sorry, Bobby, but that is a ludicrous argument...
Either way, I reckon that private schools ought to be providing better examples for promoting self-esteem and valuing differences - as well as demonstrating principled rule making, management, conflict resolution and public relations...

No it's not - why?
You are supposed to go to school to get an education -
that means a lot more than the 3Rs.
Personal development must be learned also.
This includes how to socialise with members of the opposite sex -
even how to walk properly - which dance can teach.
Life is not about doing anything you want - especially for school age kids.

I have spoken to kids out of school & some lack social skills
& any ability to hold a conversation.
They can't even walk properly - some don't know how to swim, dance
& do many other normal tasks.
Those girls need a good kick in the backside.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: No room for girlfriends at Ivanhoe Girls' dance Reply #118 - Nov 14^th, 2010 at 1:05pm From what I saw, the two girls were/are quite attractive and not your stereotypical dyke. In which case, they should be encouraged to like males
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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5520 Gender:	Re: No room for girlfriends at Ivanhoe Girls' dance Reply #119 - Nov 14^th, 2010 at 1:09pm Lesbians are faking it anyway. Like I actually think that these girls are sincere about their sexuality.
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