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No room for girlfriends at Ivanhoe Girls' dance
Nov 11th, 2010 at 6:37am
 
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A few weeks earlier, a teacher had told the year 11 student she wasn't allowed to attend the Preston dinner dance with her 15-year-old girlfriend, Savannah Supski. She was asked to bring a male instead.

''It made me very upset. I thought it was unfair so I didn't go,'' she said.

''I put a lot of effort into trying to fix things. I had a meeting with principals, looked through the Equal Opportunity Act, all my friends put posters up around the school and the teachers ripped them down. There was an easy solution; they just needed to let me go with my girlfriend.''

Hannah's father, Peter Williams, lodged a complaint with the Equal Opportunities Commission, alleging the school had discriminated against his daughter because of her sexual orientation.

''The school kept saying because it is an all-girls' school we want to make an event where they can meet boys in a social scenario,'' he said. ''That process is anachronistic and creates feelings of discrimination among girls who are same-sex attracted.''

After lodging the complaint in September, Mr Williams had a mediation session with the school, but the two parties were unable to reach a conclusion.

The Williams family did not take matters further because it was becoming too stressful for their teenage daughter, who will complete her VCE next year.

Mr Williams said the experience had forced his daughter to move to Swinburne Senior Secondary College, a ''more accepting'' school in Hawthorn.

''We made the decision that the best thing to do was to leave the school. The basis has been the whole sense of institutionalised discrimination,'' he said.

''They had a clear idea of why they ran the event, but the world has moved on. It's not the greatest time in someone's educational life to move schools.''

Savannah, now 16, is also moving schools to be with her girlfriend and was happy to hear that Swinburne Secondary College allows same-sex couples to attend formals together.

''I have been not very happy with private schools all my life and this was pushing it. It was a homophobic issue and I feel extremely discriminated against at the old school,'' she said.

Sian Supski supports her daughter's decision to leave the school.

''The idea that there had to be a gender balance at the dinner dance seemed to be discriminatory. It was a very difficult time for Savannah but she's an amazingly strong young person and we are very proud of her.''

Mrs Supski said she was disappointed Ivanhoe Girls' Grammar did not adopt a more progressive approach to same-sex couples. ''It would have been a good thing for other girls who might be in a same-sex relationship and don't feel brave enough to come out, tell their parents and be in a school situation.''

Ivanhoe Girls' Grammar principal Heather Schnagl said the event did not discriminate against same-sex couples and was designed to promote a co-educational experience.

''I don't think it's appropriate they feel discriminated against, and I'm very upset they feel that,'' she said.

''If we opened it up and said girls could bring another female they would all bring females; the policy is trying to create an event where boys are invited. We are a school that has an all-girls environment, and they are meant to invite guests, not partners.''

Dr Schnagl said the event was under review for next year.

She said the students' ages had also been an issue. ''It's an event for year 11s and the student's guest was in year 10.''

Hannah said her classmates had taken younger males to the event and she was the only student asked to provide the age of her partner. ''They kept on making up excuses, and said everything was a problem for me.''

Roz Ward, co-ordinator of the Safe Schools Coalition, unveiled by the state government last month to tackle homophobia in schools, said the incident was a blatant example of discrimination.

''It's a big issue for schools to be visibly supportive of same-sex couples and one of the most visible events of the year is the school formal or dinner dance. One of the six recommendations we make to schools is to allow students to take their same-sex partners or friends to their school formal and they should make it obvious that is the case,'' Ms Ward said.

The Equal Opportunity Commission said it could not comment on the case.


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Re:  No room for girlfriends at Ivanhoe Girls' dance
Reply #1 - Nov 11th, 2010 at 6:44am
 
Is this the christian philosphy that over the eons condemned Mary Magdalene to be a prostitute just because she was a disciple of Jesus and the early christians did not want women involved in the church so altered the history of the early church to condemn her to be a prostitute.Virgin in olden times actually meant unwed,now it has moved to its modern version.I fail to see any resemblance of early christian values and philosophy coming through to the modern sanitised variant.Jesus was not celibant and had friends and disciples of male and female, so I fail to see a issue of allowing bisexuals, homosexuals or any other variant to attend formals as this is the real world not a sanitised version of the bible.
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Reply #2 - Nov 11th, 2010 at 6:46am
 
HigherBeam wrote on Nov 11th, 2010 at 6:44am:
Is this the christian philosphy that over the eons condemned Mary Magdalene to be a prostitute just because she was a disciple of Jesus and the early christians did not want women involved in the church so altered the history of the early church to condemn her to be a prostitute.Virgin in olden times actually meant unwed,now it has moved to its modern version.I fail to see any resemblance of early christian values and philosophy coming through to the modern sanitised variant.Jesus was not celibant and had friends and disciples of male and female, so I fail to see a issue of allowing bisexuals, homosexuals or any other variant to attend formals as this is the real world not a sanitised version of the bible.



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Reply #3 - Nov 11th, 2010 at 6:55am
 
The (so called) partner was at the SAME school in a year below, so to have allowed her to attend the Year 11 Dance, would have then opened the way for ALL year 10's to go to the Year 11 dance.

They sound like a couple of attention seeking trouble makers aided and abetted by foolish parents.    I can't help wondering if any (publicity) money changed hands.
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Reply #4 - Nov 11th, 2010 at 7:08am
 
nichy wrote on Nov 11th, 2010 at 6:55am:
The (so called) partner was at the SAME school in a year below, so to have allowed her to attend the Year 11 Dance, would have then opened the way for ALL year 10's to go to the Year 11 dance.

They sound like a couple of attention seeking trouble makers aided and abetted by foolish parents.    I can't help wondering if any (publicity) money changed hands.


Year 11 and 12 MALES often take their younger female partners to school formals - some girls end up going to 4 formals in their high school life.  I've never heard anything said about that.

This issue comes up every year at formal time - and it's generally the religious schools that won't allow it.  Some say "well, send your child to a religious school, suck it up" - that misses the point that these schools get government funding - in fact they often get MORE per pupil than state schools! 

I believe it's discriminatory and schools should not be allowed to discriminate against our kids based on their sexual orientation.
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Reply #5 - Nov 11th, 2010 at 7:10am
 
bwood1946 wrote on Nov 11th, 2010 at 6:46am:
HigherBeam wrote on Nov 11th, 2010 at 6:44am:
Is this the christian philosphy that over the eons condemned Mary Magdalene to be a prostitute just because she was a disciple of Jesus and the early christians did not want women involved in the church so altered the history of the early church to condemn her to be a prostitute.Virgin in olden times actually meant unwed,now it has moved to its modern version.I fail to see any resemblance of early christian values and philosophy coming through to the modern sanitised variant.Jesus was not celibant and had friends and disciples of male and female, so I fail to see a issue of allowing bisexuals, homosexuals or any other variant to attend formals as this is the real world not a sanitised version of the bible.



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Reply #6 - Nov 11th, 2010 at 7:29am
 
HigherBeam wrote on Nov 11th, 2010 at 6:44am:
Is this the christian philosphy that over the eons condemned Mary Magdalene to be a prostitute just because she was a disciple of Jesus and the early christians did not want women involved in the church so altered the history of the early church to condemn her to be a prostitute.Virgin in olden times actually meant unwed,now it has moved to its modern version.I fail to see any resemblance of early christian values and philosophy coming through to the modern sanitised variant.Jesus was not celibant and had friends and disciples of male and female, so I fail to see a issue of allowing bisexuals, homosexuals or any other variant to attend formals as this is the real world not a sanitised version of the bible.



What a crock of pedantic pissantry.
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aussiefree2ride wrote on Nov 11th, 2010 at 7:29am:
HigherBeam wrote on Nov 11th, 2010 at 6:44am:
Is this the christian philosphy that over the eons condemned Mary Magdalene to be a prostitute just because she was a disciple of Jesus and the early christians did not want women involved in the church so altered the history of the early church to condemn her to be a prostitute.Virgin in olden times actually meant unwed,now it has moved to its modern version.I fail to see any resemblance of early christian values and philosophy coming through to the modern sanitised variant.Jesus was not celibant and had friends and disciples of male and female, so I fail to see a issue of allowing bisexuals, homosexuals or any other variant to attend formals as this is the real world not a sanitised version of the bible.



What a crock of pedantic pissantry.
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Its good to see trolls here trying to scare of new members who have a different opinion but trolls who have a IQ of a amoeba protoplasm and have no humour what so ever is pathetic.If you have not got anything intelligent to say and I know you have not bugger off and troll some where else or every post of yours I will troll.
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Reply #8 - Nov 11th, 2010 at 8:34am
 
I saw these two little creeps on ACA last night, total waste of oxygen, the pair of them. Good thing they`re lesbians, don`t need trash like them breeding.
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HigherBeam wrote on Nov 11th, 2010 at 7:44am:
aussiefree2ride wrote on Nov 11th, 2010 at 7:29am:
HigherBeam wrote on Nov 11th, 2010 at 6:44am:
Is this the christian philosphy that over the eons condemned Mary Magdalene to be a prostitute just because she was a disciple of Jesus and the early christians did not want women involved in the church so altered the history of the early church to condemn her to be a prostitute.Virgin in olden times actually meant unwed,now it has moved to its modern version.I fail to see any resemblance of early christian values and philosophy coming through to the modern sanitised variant.Jesus was not celibant and had friends and disciples of male and female, so I fail to see a issue of allowing bisexuals, homosexuals or any other variant to attend formals as this is the real world not a sanitised version of the bible.



What a crock of pedantic pissantry.
YAWWWWWWWWWWN.!!!


Its good to see trolls here trying to scare of new members who have a different opinion but trolls who have a IQ of a amoeba protoplasm and have no humour what so ever is pathetic.If you have not got anything intelligent to say and I know you have not bugger off and troll some where else or every post of yours I will troll.



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Reply #10 - Nov 11th, 2010 at 9:09am
 
I don't believe in Homosexuality and as Imp once put it, next we'll be 'forced' to accept Moneghan and his Dog along with all the other Beastiality marriages. Remember the guy in the States who got the Ho-down with a Horse, sent to gaol and then release, went back to the same horse ...because it was 'love'.

If anyone KNOWS the CO-EDUCATIONAL system, then you would know that after spending most of the time next to a girl in class 'studying/working' together - come 'Dancing' time or 'social' time, the boys and girls keep VERY seperate. I even say a female 'school captain' get in trouble and abused by teachers because she refused to get up and dance with one of us very reluctant boys.

Go to a night club. The Co-Eds will be in their boy and girl groups while the teenagers who went to Single-Sex schools were on the dance floor with the opposite sex ...you could almost see a Nun there with a ruler between them making sure there was ample room for modesty, etc.

Not only is all this 'Homosexuality equality and rights' emerging from a Nation that has too much FREEDOM on its hands, but we are ignoring the act of Celibacy and the greater sacrifice it takes.

I think the issue is that people just don't wanna face facts and draw a line. Religion seems an easy target to 'attack' by Gays because it doesn't promote Homosexuals.

...I've also noticed that the regular female contributers on this Forum don't appear as often now, since the Homosexual Threads showed that the majority of Males dissagree with the Gay thing. (like der!)

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Reply #11 - Nov 11th, 2010 at 9:32am
 

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what_katy_did wrote on Nov 11th, 2010 at 7:08am:
Year 11 and 12 MALES often take their younger female partners to school formals - some girls end up going to 4 formals in their high school life.  I've never heard anything said about that.

This issue comes up every year at formal time - and it's generally the religious schools that won't allow it.  Some say "well, send your child to a religious school, suck it up" - that misses the point that these schools get government funding - in fact they often get MORE per pupil than state schools!  

I believe it's discriminatory and schools should not be allowed to discriminate against our kids based on their sexual orientation.


It is clear that the school has made a homophobic decision - and that it is unapologetic about doing so...

If these girls had been in the same year, then they would have both been automatically allowed to attend the formal...

I believe that there are grounds for the HREOC to audit all of the stated bases of the decision and assess the consistency of the application of those bases for 2010 and previous years...

The boys only school/s in the same Diocese should also be audited - so as to establish the overall nature and extent of the homophobic discrimination, including any inconsistencies with this case...

Either way, if the complainant can establish that she was the only person who was singled out and asked to provide the age of her 'guest', then the school has deliberately targeted (and technically harassed) the complainant in a discriminatory fashion...



PS I wonder if any other guests' names were so exotic as to be gender-ambiguous!?

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Reply #12 - Nov 11th, 2010 at 10:11am
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Nov 11th, 2010 at 9:09am:
I don't believe in Homosexuality and as Imp once put it, next we'll be 'forced' to accept Moneghan and his Dog along with all the other Beastiality marriages. Remember the guy in the States who got the Ho-down with a Horse, sent to gaol and then release, went back to the same horse ...because it was 'love'.

Noone will accept beastiality - animals can't even consent. Not to mention everyone finds it disgusting.

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If anyone KNOWS the CO-EDUCATIONAL system, then you would know that after spending most of the time next to a girl in class 'studying/working' together - come 'Dancing' time or 'social' time, the boys and girls keep VERY seperate. I even say a female 'school captain' get in trouble and abused by teachers because she refused to get up and dance with one of us very reluctant boys.

This is not true. I went to a co-ed school and everyone was dancing with everyone at my formal. Of course, when it was dancing lessons as part of PE in front of the teachers, we were quite reluctant.
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Reply #13 - Nov 11th, 2010 at 10:20am
 
From another source....

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A complaint by the Year 11 student's father to the Equal Opportunity Commission and has been dismissed, Dr Schnagl said.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/8292448/principal-defends-same-sex-dance-ban/




So even the EOC knows it's all a load of rubbish.

nothing to see here folks, save your righteous indignation for where it's warranted.
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Reply #14 - Nov 11th, 2010 at 10:23am
 
I for one cant wait for the two girls to turn 18.  I love lesbians, but I really love hot ones starting out in the exploration of the wonder that is the female body.
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