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Re: Industry Opposes Chrismas Penalty Rates.
Reply #30 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 4:42pm

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Why do you think its fair the employers have to cough up for two extra days this year?

Because Christmas falls on a Saturday.
So, just like all the previous times this has occured they have made (at least they have in NSW) the following Monday and Tuesday and the monday following New Years Day public holidays. Just like what happened in 2004, 1999, 1993 etc etc.

Prior to the earlty to mid 80's it wasn't an issue for most employers because they simply weren't allowed to trade on public holidays.

Next year it will be similar with the Monday and Tuesday after Christmas and the Monday after New Years Day being public holidays. The only difference between next year and this year is that the two Sundays will be public holidays instead of the two Saturdays that we have this year.

It happens every 6 years - it's not like they've done anything different or new this year.

The whole push for the "have the public holiday on the actual day" thing is recent.

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Re: Industry Opposes Chrismas Penalty Rates.
Reply #31 - Nov 14^th, 2010 at 6:24pm

Verge wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 8:41am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 11^th, 2010 at 11:39pm:

At the end of the day not many people work on Xmas day but those who do should be paid properly.

Thanks DNA for adding nothing.

What part of we are happy to pay people for the Xmas day, but why do we have to pay for the Tuesday as well?

Why do you think its fair the employers have to cough up for two extra days this year?

The reality is that when this happens if a day is cut it has in the past been the genuine holiday and the few who actually have to work that day get cut out.

When the PH is transfered to an alternate day it means that it is removed from the real one, I have been in that situatation multiple times.

I have worked on the real holiday and got no additional penalties while the people who had the real holiday off with their family got to claim PH rates for the substitute day.

The employer will be 95% out of pocket anyway as every man and his dog will work the alternate day the only people who miss out are the unfortunate ones who deserve the penaltie the most xmas day will run with a skeleton staff where necessary - the absolute minimum numbers means very little saving for the employer wanting to play scrooge.

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Re: Industry Opposes Chrismas Penalty Rates.
Reply #32 - Nov 14^th, 2010 at 7:40pm

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Public holidays for 2009
The NSW Government recently announced that the Boxing Day public holiday for 2009 is Monday 28 December.

The following are the official NSW public holidays for the remainder of 2009:

•Good Friday - Friday, 10 April 2009
•Easter Saturday - Saturday, 11 April 2009
•Easter Monday - Monday, 13 April 2009
•Anzac Day - Saturday, 25 April 2009
•Queen's Birthday - Monday, 8 June 2009
•Bank Holiday - Monday, 3 August 2009
•Labour Day - Monday, 5 October 2009
•Christmas Day - Friday, 25 December 2009
•Boxing Day - Monday, 28 December 2009

You see here that the 26 Dec last year was not a Public Holiday in NSW, People working that day did not get PH rates only people not working the PH got the pay.

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Re: Industry Opposes Chrismas Penalty Rates.
Reply #33 - Nov 14^th, 2010 at 8:01pm

2010 P/H
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New Year's Day
Friday, 1 January

Australia Day
Tuesday, 26 January

Good Friday
Friday, 2 April

Easter Saturday
Saturday, 3 April

Easter Monday
Monday, 5 April

Anzac Day
Monday, 26 April

Queen's Birthday
Monday, 14 June

**Bank Holiday
Monday, 2 August

Labour Day
Monday, 4 October

Christmas Day
Saturday, 25 December
^Tuesday, 28 December

Boxing Day
Monday, 27 December

We see again in 2010 the PH for Xmas is to be added but it looks like the Boxing day Holiday again has been moved.

Anyone (i.e Me) working Boxing day this year (Sun 26th) will not be paid the correct rates.

2011 Xmas day is listed as only 26 Dec.

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Re: Industry Opposes Chrismas Penalty Rates.
Reply #34 - Nov 15^th, 2010 at 12:17pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 14^th, 2010 at 8:01pm:

2010 P/H
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New Year's Day
Friday, 1 January

Australia Day
Tuesday, 26 January

Good Friday
Friday, 2 April

Easter Saturday
Saturday, 3 April

Easter Monday
Monday, 5 April

Anzac Day
Monday, 26 April

Queen's Birthday
Monday, 14 June

**Bank Holiday
Monday, 2 August

Labour Day
Monday, 4 October

Christmas Day
Saturday, 25 December
^Tuesday, 28 December

Boxing Day
Monday, 27 December

We see again in 2010 the PH for Xmas is to be added but it looks like the Boxing day Holiday again has been moved.

Anyone (i.e Me) working Boxing day this year (Sun 26th) will not be paid the correct rates.

2011 Xmas day is listed as only 26 Dec.

Which was my point all along. They moved Boxing Day but not Xmas, instead they granted an additional day. To those of us that run 7 days a week it means we have to pay people for the Saturday even if they dont work it, as well as the Tuesday.

Notice ANZAC day was also moved, so those who worked the Sunday never got the public holiday rates either.

Its a double dip and its going to hit us hard.

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Re: Industry Opposes Chrismas Penalty Rates.
Reply #35 - Nov 15^th, 2010 at 5:45pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 4:42pm:

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Why do you think its fair the employers have to cough up for two extra days this year?

Because Christmas falls on a Saturday.
So, just like all the previous times this has occured they have made (at least they have in NSW) the following Monday and Tuesday and the monday following New Years Day public holidays. Just like what happened in 2004, 1999, 1993 etc etc.

Prior to the earlty to mid 80's it wasn't an issue for most employers because they simply weren't allowed to trade on public holidays.

Next year it will be similar with the Monday and Tuesday after Christmas and the Monday after New Years Day being public holidays. The only difference between next year and this year is that the two Sundays will be public holidays instead of the two Saturdays that we have this year.

It happens every 6 years - it's not like they've done anything different or new this year.

The whole push for the "have the public holiday on the actual day" thing is recent.

Strange that no-one has chosen to answer your posts, life....

The situation has been as you have stated for as long as I can remember.
I mostly noticed it in the Liquor Trades.
I also recall club Sec Mgrs and Presidents complaining about it.

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