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Reply #15 - Nov 9^th, 2010 at 2:15pm

Equitist wrote on Nov 9^th, 2010 at 1:11pm:

Fair enough!

I think that we need to keep in mind that the pre-Xmas, Xmas and school holiday window is highly profitable for many businesses - especially when those profits are averaged over that period...

Many businesses close down for much longer than the Xmas period (well into January), because it is too quiet to warrant staying open...

Those businesses which do stay open, always weigh up various factors before they make the choice to do so - as they are not obligated to trade...

Therefore, IM(not-so)HO, the AIG is making unnecessary enemies by raising this test case...

Its a fair test case because employers have never been faced with having to pay for two extra public holidays in my memory.

If you want to have the public holiday on the Monday, you should forgo the public holiday rates for the Saturday instead.

Thats what happened with ANZAC day this year.

Why are we paying for two extra days?

I dont mind paying public holidays, but how do you want it, as long as over the period Im only paying for three and not five

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Reply #16 - Nov 9^th, 2010 at 3:07pm

I would hate to run a business in this Country (hence why there isn't much manufacture here either).
You gotta pay all these $$ to workers who are either too influenced by the need for drink/drugs or just take sickies and then you gotta pay a lot of 'Holiday' rates, because there are a lot of public holidays and then you gotta pay all these middle-men like Employment Agencies, Super-Annuation, OH&S, Unions, etc.

No wonder this country cries out for 'Qualified/educated/etc - immigration'. Roll Eyes

Anyone who makes money in this country heads off overseas straight away.

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aussiefree2ride Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3538	Re: Industry Opposes Chrismas Penalty Rates. Reply #17 - Nov 9^th, 2010 at 3:10pm So many of the grubby unionists are anti xtian anyway, why the holiday? If they can`t go to a couple of church services, they should be at work.
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It_is_the_Darkness Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4000 in a ReTardis Gender:	Re: Industry Opposes Chrismas Penalty Rates. Reply #18 - Nov 9^th, 2010 at 4:03pm I always say that people (like myself) who support Republicanism - shouldn't have a day off for Queens Birthday or even collect penalty rates, etc.
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Reply #19 - Nov 9^th, 2010 at 8:45pm

I hear what you guys are saying, but I remind you that: workers are also consumers - and all businesses rely upon consumers having disposable income...

Most workers spend every cent that they earn (and some, if the mortgage, credit card and consumer debt figures are anything to go by) - and therefore there is more disposable income flowing back to those sorts of businesses at that time of year anyway...

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Reply #20 - Nov 9^th, 2010 at 8:51pm

Equitist wrote on Nov 9^th, 2010 at 8:45pm:

I hear what you guys are saying, but I remind you that: workers are also consumers - and all businesses rely upon consumers having disposable income...

Most workers spend every cent that they earn (and some, if the mortgage, credit card and consumer debt figures are anything to go by) - and therefore there is more disposable income flowing back to those sorts of businesses at that time of year anyway...

And that peice of garbage doesnt put 20k back into our bank account, yet our trading wont be benefited one bit.

Why is it okay for the government to impose two additional public holidays on business.

We have been screwed, because our permanents and part timers will all get two extra days pay and we get no additional benefit at all.

What ever happened to celebrating the days when the events actually fall.

How can you defend the government for imposing this extra cost with NO JUSTIFICATION at all.

Either pay the penalty rates on the day, or substitute it, but to my us pay double is unadulterated bullshit.

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Reply #21 - Nov 9^th, 2010 at 8:56pm

Equitist wrote on Nov 9^th, 2010 at 8:45pm:

I hear what you guys are saying, but I remind you that: workers are also consumers - and all businesses rely upon consumers having disposable income...

Most workers spend every cent that they earn (and some, if the mortgage, credit card and consumer debt figures are anything to go by) - and therefore there is more disposable income flowing back to those sorts of businesses at that time of year anyway...

Perhaps in a perfect world.

Perhaps for large corporate businesses this may be the case, but for small business operators not necessarily so and the significant increase in wage cost can all but wipe out the gains. More often then not these periods simply top up the preceding low seasonal trade or prop up the following low season trade.

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Reply #22 - Nov 9^th, 2010 at 9:06pm

I could have sworn that the last few times that xmas and boxing day fell on a saturday and sunday we had a 4 day long weekend with Saturday. Monday and Tuesday paid at usual public holiday rates and the Sunday paid at normal Sunday rates (for those of us lucky enough to be paid penalty rates). That was certainly the case in 2004.

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Reply #23 - Nov 9^th, 2010 at 9:08pm

Equitist wrote on Nov 9^th, 2010 at 8:45pm:

I hear what you guys are saying, but I remind you that: workers are also consumers - and all businesses rely upon consumers having disposable income...

Most workers spend every cent that they earn (and some, if the mortgage, credit card and consumer debt figures are anything to go by) - and therefore there is more disposable income flowing back to those sorts of businesses at that time of year anyway...

LOL...I made that post about 6 hours ago (before I headed out for the evening) but it is showing the time of 8:45pm...

Thanks Telstra!

I had clicked on the post button a few times and given up because the Bigpond connection was down...

I also left in haste and forgot to shut the laptop down...

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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Industry Opposes Chrismas Penalty Rates. Reply #26 - Nov 9^th, 2010 at 9:58pm In NSW the gazetted public holidays for 2010 are no different from the last few times that xmas fell on a Saturday with the Saturday, Monday and Tuesday being declared public holidays. So what's all the fuss about?
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61936 Here Gender:	Re: Industry Opposes Chrismas Penalty Rates. Reply #27 - Nov 11^th, 2010 at 11:39pm At the end of the day not many people work on Xmas day but those who do should be paid properly.
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Reply #28 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 8:41am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 11^th, 2010 at 11:39pm:

At the end of the day not many people work on Xmas day but those who do should be paid properly.

Thanks DNA for adding nothing.

What part of we are happy to pay people for the Xmas day, but why do we have to pay for the Tuesday as well?

Why do you think its fair the employers have to cough up for two extra days this year?

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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Industry Opposes Chrismas Penalty Rates. Reply #29 - Nov 12^th, 2010 at 4:15pm At the end of the day, people should be paid penalty rates for ALL weekends and ALL public holidays that they work.
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