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nichy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1812 Gender:	Re: Do Christians Vote As A Block? Reply #75 - Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:17am Most parents send their kids to religious schools for dogmatic and/or elitist reasons - just as most parents of other private schools do...Equitist. Total Crap equitist. Ooops, sorry, you know better, I forgot !
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Reply #76 - Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:17am

http://www2.ceosale.catholic.edu.au/uploadedFiles/07_News_Centre/News_Items/64-1...

15 July, 2010 64-10

CIRCULAR TO ALL PRIMARY AND SECONDARY PRINCIPALS – DIOCESE OF SALE

Dear Colleague

Re State Funding Campaign for Catholic Schools

MAIN POINTS

• With the state election due on 27 November 2010 the coming months will be an important time
for Victorian Catholic schools.
• Last year the efforts of many parish priests, principals and school communities were
instrumental in concluding the state funding agreement on favourable terms for Catholic
education. The additional funding allocated through the agreement was a step towards our
funding goal but it did not guarantee a sustainable funding base for Catholic education in Victoria.
• Since signing the agreement we have been in discussions to secure funding for Catholic
schools at 25% of the cost of education in a Victorian government school. We estimate this would deliver an extra $60 million per annum to Catholic education.
• Over the last few months many of you have indicated your interest in raising state funding
issues with your school communities. The Minister has advised that the matter is under active consideration.
• In order to assist with the government's deliberations I believe it is now appropriate to inform
school communities and our political leaders of the importance of sustainable state funding for Catholic schools. As you will be aware the Liberal-Nationals Coalition has committed to fund
Catholic schools at 25% of the cost of education in a Victorian government school if elected in November.

ACTIONS REQUIRED

Please find attached a selection of materials to assist you in raising this issue with your school
community. The materials include:

1. Text you may wish to insert in your school newsletter to highlight the issue of sustainable funding to parents.
2. Letters you may wish to send to your local state MPs and the leaders of the Labor and
Liberal parties, along with a link to their contact details.
3. A letter you may wish to make available to your parents to send to their local state MPs.
4. A media release you may wish to tailor to your own needs and release to your local media
when appropriate, perhaps after a visit from your local MP.
5. A question and answer sheet that may be useful in general communications with MPs,

CONTACT/ENQUIRIES

• A full list of Victorian State Parliament representatives is available on our website.
• We will provide additional information in the coming weeks. If you require further assistance or
advice in relation to this material please contact me at this Office on (03) 5622 6600 or via <director@ceosale.catholic.edu.au>.
• Thank you for your continued commitment to Catholic education. By working together I am
confident that we can guarantee sustainable state funding for Catholic education.

DIRECTOR OF CATHOLIC EDUCATION

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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Do Christians Vote As A Block? Reply #77 - Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:18am Do Christians vote in a block? No less than Muslims, Jews, Hindus etc. It's called secular voting, has been happening since dot.
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Reply #78 - Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:21am

HORSES FOR COURSES !

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BTW equitist, you don't really need to take up so much space - most of us are capable of following A LINK.

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Reply #79 - Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:22am

nichy wrote on Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:17am:

Most parents send their kids to religious schools for dogmatic and/or elitist reasons - just as most parents of other private schools do...Equitist.

Total Crap equitist.

Ooops, sorry, you know better, I forgot !

OK, Nichy et al, here's your chance to explain the reasons why parents choose to send their children to Catholic and other independent/private schools...

Go for it!

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Do Christians Vote As A Block? Reply #80 - Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:24am nichy wrote on Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:21am: BTW equitist, you don't really need to take up so much space - most of us are capable of following A LINK. Just trying to put some of the relevant information here so that we all know the nature of the propaganda material we are discussing...
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Reply #81 - Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:25am

My parents chose to send me to Catholic schools (even though we aren't catholic) for educational purposes, they believed our local Catholic schools were better than our local public schools.

.....Our local public schools being under-resourced and quite rough in the neighbourhood I grew up in.

So...

They always said that if we had have resided in an area where the local public school was decent, then I would have gone to a public school.

I have sent my own children to both public and private schools, though in the area we live, we find the local public schools on par with the local private schools, so there's no point going private here where we live.

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Do Christians Vote As A Block? Reply #82 - Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:31am This is pretty specific targetting of election propaganda, wouldn't you agree!? http://www.ceocg.catholic.edu.au/publications/election2010/index.htm
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Reply #83 - Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:41am

And what about Gillard funding Jewish schools , this and announcing she would continue the 'outrageous' Jewish schools funding arrangement Rudd had in place until 2014 if elected?

Ie Vote for GALP and we will keep funding you!!

And likewise, Jewish groups were encouraging their 'parishioners' to vote ALP, one rabbi even went so far as to ostracise one Jewish student who rebelled and advised members of his own online Jewish community to vote liberal instead.

Look, it happens across all sects, not just Christians,Catholics.

OK.

Roll Eyes

It's nothing new!

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Reply #84 - Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:47am

mellie wrote on Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:41am:

And what about Gillard funding Jewish schools , this and announcing she would continue the 'outrageous' Jewish schools funding arrangement Rudd had in place until 2014 if elected?

Ie Vote for GALP and we will keep funding you!!

And likewise, Jewish groups were encouraging their 'parishioners' to vote ALP, one rabbi even went so far as to ostracise one Jewish student who rebelled and advised members of his own online Jewish community to vote liberal instead.

Look, it happens across all sects, not just Christians,Catholics.

OK.

Roll Eyes

It's nothing new!

And the obnoxious little anti Semite is at it again.
One question little Ms anti Semite, did the coal ition fund Jewish schools? just a yes or no will suffice, we don't need to hear anymore of your anti Semite rants. Roll Eyes

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Reply #85 - Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:50am

Equitist wrote on Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:22am:

nichy wrote on Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:17am:

Most parents send their kids to religious schools for dogmatic and/or elitist reasons - just as most parents of other private schools do...Equitist.

Total Crap equitist.

Ooops, sorry, you know better, I forgot !

OK, Nichy et al, here's your chance to explain the reasons why parents choose to send their children to Catholic and other independent/private schools...

Go for it!

what the hell has it got to do with YOU why people send their kids to religious schools,you may change your clothes once a week..whats it got to do with anybody are we not allowed any freedom of choice in this country anymore...just because we have 99% Labor governing us doesnt mean we all have to think alike like the ALP.. for gods sake..do we all drive green holdens... sheeeeeeeeeeze

to find out the answer to this topic you would have to stand over every voting box in the country like they do in Afghanistan..

maybe bring back the yellow armbands.

why do people speak for MOST others is another mystery. our freedom of choice is being eroded

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Reply #86 - Nov 1^st, 2010 at 9:06am

http://muslimvillage.com/2010/05/30/nsw-islamic-schools-policy-statement/

"Islamic schools acknowledge that as fee charging schools who are recipients of government funding , independent schools must be accountable for the education that they provide. "

http://www.independentschools.vic.edu.au/

"Non-government schools enrolled more than a third of Victoria’s students in 2007-08 but received just over one fifth of government funding. Increasing Victorian Government funding for Independent school students to match the average of other states and territories would cost about $512 per student – less than one twentieth of the government funding provided to government school students.Independent schools are continuing to fall financially behind the government sector because state government recurrent funding is not sufficiently indexed to keep up with the cost of education."

It should also be understood that the federal and state governments have a limited fiscal capacity to enrol at least an additional 30 per cent of currently enrolled students into the government school system.

Cost-effective public funding to non-government schools ensure that the taxpaying public are better off, as students in Catholic and independent schools alleviate the fiscal pressure off states and the Commonwealth to fund the same students in expensive government schools.The continuing funding uncertainty in Australian school education partly reflects a lack of appreciation of the significant contribution that non-government schools play in helping to ensure that this country maintains a world class standard of education.

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Reply #87 - Nov 1^st, 2010 at 10:00am

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 9:29pm:

nichy wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 8:10pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 5:49pm:

One view ...

On a less humorous note, have there been any leaks so far on the conent of this exclusive document - an the details of these "25 questions" ?

It doesn't need to be "leaked" as it's a PUBLISHED document :

http://www.cam.org.au/stateelection

Perhaps you would like to point out exactly where it is TELLING anyone how to vote.

"As bishops we are not advocating any political party. That is not our role. We do however raise some issues and questions which you may wish to address to the candidates for election in helping inform your decision on whom to vote for."

"CONCLUSION

We urge each voter to vote consistent with their own values, so that these will be represented in the parliamentary representatives we elect."

Perhaps more of a "serving suggestion" than threatening directive

But a

"You're either WITH us - or you're AGAINST us"

declaration from these four Catholic office bearers, all the same

yet nothing from you and unions who LITERALLY threaten members to vote labor as well as take their money and givt to the ALP.

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Reply #88 - Nov 1^st, 2010 at 10:09am

Equitist wrote on Nov 1^st, 2010 at 7:59am:

Crikey, check this out (all 16 carefully-targeted-propaganda pages of it): -

http://www2.ceosale.catholic.edu.au/uploadedFiles/07_News_Centre/News_Items/CEOS...

I am attempting to attach it in .txt format - not sure what will happen - meantime here's some of the text: -

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Victorian Catholic Schools
Funding Information Package

CONTENTS

All pages listed below have been set up in Word format to enable you to copy and paste the text as required.

1 Material for Newsletter insert

2 Parish Priest/Principal Letters Package

a Parish Priest/Principal Invitation Letter to local State MP
Determine whether your local MP is a Labor, Liberal or National Party member
and select the appropriate letter text.
i. Labor MP OR
ii. Liberal and Nationals MP
b Parish Priest/Principal Letter to Premier John Brumby MP AND
c Parish Priest/Principal Letter to Education Minister Bronwyn Pike MP
d Parish Priest/Principal Letter to Ted Baillieu MP, Leader of the Opposition AND
e Parish Priest/Principal Letter to Martin Dixon MP, Shadow Minister for Education

3 Parent Letters Package
This information could be included in your school newsletter with copies of the two sample letters. Parents could be advised to determine whether their local MP is a Labor, Liberal or National party member and select the appropriate letter text.
a Parent Letter to local MPs
i. Labor MP OR
ii. Liberal and Nationals MP

4 Sample School Media Release

5 Background sheet – Questions and Answers
These Q&As could also be included in your school newsletter.

1. Material for Newsletter insert

The state election is now just months away. This is an important opportunity for Catholic education to raise the issue of fair and sustainable state government funding for Catholic schools. For many years Victorian Catholic schools have received the lowest level of state government funding of any state in Australia. As a result, for each dollar of Australian and state government funding going to a student in a Victorian government school a student in a Catholic school receives just 63 cents.

We are asking that state funding to Catholic schools be transparently linked to 25% of the cost of education in a Victorian government school. This will ensure a sustainable funding base. The Liberal-National Coalition has committed to funding Catholic schools at this level if they are elected. The Government has informed us that the proposal is under active consideration. I encourage you to write to your local MP to emphasise the importance of this issue.

2. Parish Priest / Principal Letters Package

As a Parish Priest or Catholic school principal a letter to your local state MP and our state-wide political leaders can have significant influence.

I suggest that you write to the Members of Parliament listed below to raise the issue of sustainable funding for Catholic schools. I have provided sample letters for your use.

If we are successful in our funding request this year, we believe we will not need to mount further campaigns on state funding.

I suggest that you prioritise letters according to the following list:
• A letter to your local state MP inviting them to meet with you and other school representatives to discuss sustainable funding
• A letter to each of the following:
o Premier John Brumby
o Education Minister Bronwyn Pike
o Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu
o Shadow Education Minister Martin Dixon
• Letters to your five upper house MPs covering your region
• A letter to local lower house candidates (help is available to identify these).

A sample for each of these letters is contained in the following pages. Some of the sample letters are very similar or near identical except for the addresses. Each sample is intended to make it as easy as possible to convey the message to our political leaders.

For your convenience the contact details for your local state MP and your upper house MPs is available on CEOSale website.

You will note there is a different letter for your local state member depending on whether they are a member of the Labor Party or the Liberal/Nationals. The differences in wording reflect the different policy positions which have currently been stated by the relevant parties.

I have highlighted sections in some letters in bold and italics where you may choose to provide detail relevant to your school.

I have also attached a Parent Letters Package that you may wish to pass to your parent community to assist them to write to their local state MP.

If you require further assistance or advice in relation to this material please contact me at the Office on (03) 5622 6600 or via <director@ceosale.catholic.edu.au>.

Yours sincerely

Peter Ryan
Director of Catholic Education
Diocese of Sale

[...]

Nothing remotely political or partisan in all of that, eh!?

Are you deliberately dumb or is it a natural skill? they are targetting BOTH parties. By definition, that is NON-PARTISAN

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Reply #89 - Nov 1^st, 2010 at 10:12am

Equitist wrote on Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:10am:

nichy wrote on Nov 1^st, 2010 at 8:05am:

"The state election is now just months away. This is an important opportunity for Catholic education to raise the issue of fair and sustainable state government funding for Catholic schools. For many years Victorian Catholic schools have received the lowest level of state government funding of any state in Australia. As a result, for each dollar of Australian and state government funding going to a student in a Victorian government school a student in a Catholic school receives just 63 cents.We are asking that state funding to Catholic schools be transparently linked to 25% of the cost of education in a Victorian government school. This will ensure a sustainable funding base. The Liberal-National Coalition has committed to funding Catholic schools at this level if they are elected. The Government has informed us that the proposal is under active consideration. I encourage you to write to your local MP to emphasise the importance of this issue."

So are you saying that the children in Parish Schools, whose parents pay tax, are not entitled to a fair share of the tax dollar allocated to Education. Perhaps you would like to see them all closed down and the State schools jammed well past their capacity.

Nope, not gonna happen, Nichy!

Most parents send their kids to religious schools for dogmatic and/or elitist reasons - just as most parents of other private schools do...

Statistically, even totally removing public funding of effectively-exclusive pseudo-private schools would have very little impact upon the numbers of students in each sector - but it would free up scarce funds for the education of under-privileged and ordinary public school students alike...

You use the word 'statistically' to try and infer it is a fact or based on research. Therefor it is a great pity to have to say that it is neither 'statistical' nor accurate. the vast majority of provate and catholic schools are 'low fee' schools that cater to middle/lower class families who are willing to spend the extra. very few of them could afford the high-fee exclusive private schools and if govt funding were withdrawn, almost all of them would go back to the public school, but not by choice.

not even the lefty education union makes the ridiculous claim you just made.

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