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Reply #30 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 1:53pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 1:30pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 11:14am:

The unions, who own the ALP, and will soon own the greens, are more politically active than any other entity "outside" of politics in the country. I wouldn`t criticise anyone for political interferance if I was either a green or an alp supporter.

The unions have handicapped this country more than any other body.

LOL aussie...I think it might be the greens owning the unions, rather than the other way around...

And the greens are(or will soon be) far more of a handicap than the unions ever were....

Thing is Giz, as the greens take more of the ALP voter base, the unions will also have to jump ship, or at least infiltrate, bribe, or extort the greens to retain their political power. The unions won`t settle for just being unions in this country, too greedy and power mad.

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: Do Christians Vote As A Block? Reply #31 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 1:56pm nichy wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 1:53pm: OK Phil, but you had better take that one up with the tax man , out of my realm - BTW it's a pleasure to "argue" the point with someone who doesn't get nasty or use personal attacks. Must away - have a good day. Thank's Nicky....it has been a pleasure.....Later!!!
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nichy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1812 Gender:	Re: Do Christians Vote As A Block? Reply #32 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 1:56pm Phil, my reply to your last comment ON THE TOPIC is on the previous page.
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Reply #33 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 2:04pm

nichy wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 1:56pm:

Phil, my reply to your last comment ON THE TOPIC is on the previous page.

So is my reply.....I will put another scenario forward for you to ponder Nichy.....would you accept a teacher in a public school promoting gay marriage and sending home a letter urging parents to support the Greens in the Victorian State election......I would not by the way???

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nichy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1812 Gender:	Re: Do Christians Vote As A Block? Reply #34 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 2:15pm Oh no doubt about you sand gropers Phil, tricky !!!! No I wouldn't be too keen, but I'd set my kids straight on why the teacher was wrong and suggest that the teacher stick his/her opinion where the sun doesn't shine.
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Reply #35 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 2:18pm

nichy wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 2:15pm:

Oh no doubt about you sand gropers Phil, tricky !!!!

No I wouldn't be too keen, but I'd set my kids straight on why the teacher was wrong and suggest that the teacher stick his/her opinion where the sun doesn't shine. Cheesy

Lol....so we can agree on something then.....good on you Nicky!!!

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Reply #36 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 2:25pm

I'm sure we can agree on a number of things phil, one being that it's not necessary to be vicious or crude if you have an opposite opinion.

Did you hear about the two Irish fellows in the bus stop.
A truck went past loaded with rolls of lawn turf and Paddy turned to Mick and said " I'm going to do that when I win the lotto"
"Do what Paddy ? "
"Send me lawn out to be cut"

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Reply #37 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 2:33pm

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 1:25pm:

nichy wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 1:13pm:

Phil, the Catholic Church is criticised constantly - but look at all the good work they do - hospitals, aged care, hospices, care of the disadvantaged, schools, etc etc. If parents send their children to church run schools they do so knowing that the church will take a stand on particular issues and will inform the parents of these issues. No-one forces parents to send their children to these schools.

Let's face it children are being brainwashed everytime they look at a kids' program on TV with all the commercials and such, so there isn't much difference really. Anyway the parents will do as they want no matter what literature is sent home.

I think you miss my point again Nichy.....people send there children to Catholic schools for a better education knowing they will be subjected to RELIGIOUS TEACHING....political activism is completely different.....would you accept a one sided view of gay marriage being taught in public schools with letters being sent home on topic with your children.....we are talking about a political agenda here not religious teaching.....it is unacceptable in any form to use our children for political activism.....no matter what the cause!!!

You use the words 'political activism' inappropriately. Rather than promote a particular party they brought up a particular ISSUE. demanding that a religious group is neutered on issues is asking not only too much but ridiculously so.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Do Christians Vote As A Block? Reply #38 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 2:35pm Christians do not vote as a BLOC. like most people, they think about it and vote accordingly. nothing different here. Now I wait to hear all the people who DONT go to church tell me how I am wrong despite having gone to church for over 50 years.
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Reply #39 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 2:45pm

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 1:25pm:

it is unacceptable in any form to use our children for political activism.....no matter what the cause!!!

It is a damning indictment of the higher education system that Tanner, from the left faction of the ALP, admits our universities are churning out increasing numbers of Greens voters.

It is no coincidence the institutions that churn out these graduates are dominated by left-wing academics.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/why-graduates-lean-to-the-left/stor...

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Reply #40 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 2:45pm

You use the words 'political activism' inappropriately. Rather than promote a particular party they brought up a particular ISSUE. demanding that a religious group is neutered on issues is asking not only too much but ridiculously so.

Good point longweekend - I think that's what I was trying to say.

I pointed out earlier, a similar viewpoint to yours, that Christians vote according to their conscience. I've been a churchgoer all my life and I've NEVER been told HOW to vote.

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Reply #41 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 2:48pm

nichy wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 2:45pm:

You use the words 'political activism' inappropriately. Rather than promote a particular party they brought up a particular ISSUE. demanding that a religious group is neutered on issues is asking not only too much but ridiculously so.

Good point longweekend - I think that's what I was trying to say.

I pointed out earlier, a similar viewpoint to yours, that Christians vote according to their conscience. I've been a churchgoer all my life and I've NEVER been told HOW to vote.

no one has ever told me either.

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Reply #42 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 2:54pm

Soren wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 2:45pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 1:25pm:

it is unacceptable in any form to use our children for political activism.....no matter what the cause!!!

It is a damning indictment of the higher education system that Tanner, from the left faction of the ALP, admits our universities are churning out increasing numbers of Greens voters.

It is no coincidence the institutions that churn out these graduates are dominated by left-wing academics.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/why-graduates-lean-to-the-left/stor...

I just read the article you linked to Soren. I must admit it's no surprise to me as I was involved in STATE school education for several years and was subjected to a lot of left wing teaching staff, who were very narrow in outlook and not prepared to see any good in anything other than their own opinions.

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Reply #43 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 3:20pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 2:33pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 1:25pm:

nichy wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 1:13pm:

Phil, the Catholic Church is criticised constantly - but look at all the good work they do - hospitals, aged care, hospices, care of the disadvantaged, schools, etc etc. If parents send their children to church run schools they do so knowing that the church will take a stand on particular issues and will inform the parents of these issues. No-one forces parents to send their children to these schools.

Let's face it children are being brainwashed everytime they look at a kids' program on TV with all the commercials and such, so there isn't much difference really. Anyway the parents will do as they want no matter what literature is sent home.

I think you miss my point again Nichy.....people send there children to Catholic schools for a better education knowing they will be subjected to RELIGIOUS TEACHING....political activism is completely different.....would you accept a one sided view of gay marriage being taught in public schools with letters being sent home on topic with your children.....we are talking about a political agenda here not religious teaching.....it is unacceptable in any form to use our children for political activism.....no matter what the cause!!!

You use the words 'political activism' inappropriately. Rather than promote a particular party they brought up a particular ISSUE. demanding that a religious group is neutered on issues is asking not only too much but ridiculously so.

Rubbish....the school is urging parents not to support the Greens and Labor.....and I have demanded no such thing....what I have said is I do not support promoting a political agenda through the class room...an issue you conveniently failed to address.....I stated earlier that I support churches promoting social issues in the public forum were there views and opinions can be challenged.....I do not support one side of view being promoted in the class room....by the way Longy I do not support euthanasia....this is not about religion it is about politics and interference in a State election....I would condemn such actions no matter what faith promoted political activism in the class room!!!

So in your opinion it would be ok if a school promoted gay marriage and sent home a letter urging parents to support the Greens Longy....after all if we accept religious schools have the right to promote a particular agenda then we must accept that schools are allowed to promote there political leanings in every case...agreed???

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Reply #44 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 3:29pm

nichy wrote on Oct 31^st, 2010 at 2:45pm:

You use the words 'political activism' inappropriately. Rather than promote a particular party they brought up a particular ISSUE. demanding that a religious group is neutered on issues is asking not only too much but ridiculously so.

Good point longweekend - I think that's what I was trying to say.

I pointed out earlier, a similar viewpoint to yours, that Christians vote according to their conscience. I've been a churchgoer all my life and I've NEVER been told HOW to vote.

Fair enough...but the Catholic Church in Victoria is doing just that.....urging parents to vote in a particular way because they do not agree with a particular policy.....I have no problem with the church arguing there point in a public forum were their views can be challenged....but I am not going to support a one sided view being pushed onto our children...weather I agree with it or not....I am surprised you cannot see the problem with this Longy.....do you support the political teachings in Madras's Nichy???

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