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Reply #15 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 9:46am
 
The Green and Independent vote will rise over this political cycle no matter how much organisations such as the Churches, unions or old boys clubs dislike the fact that the people finally have a real alternative to the 2 major parties that have turned out to be monumental self serving flops.
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Reply #16 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 10:02am
 
____ wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 7:10pm:
Do people of faith vote as their church leaders tell them ... or are they independent thinkers?


Catholic Church weighs in on state election

The Victorian Greens say they are disappointed with the Catholic Church for intervening in the state election which will be held exactly four weeks from today.

From this weekend in Victoria the Catholic Church will issue pamphlets through Catholic schools and churches listing 25 questions voters should ask candidates before deciding how to vote.

Topping the list of Catholic concerns is legalising euthanasia, abortion and same sex marriage.

Not since the 1950s has the Catholic Church intervened quite so strongly in Victorian state politics.

Catholic Archbishop Dennis Hart says he will not be voting for the Greens, who want to legalise euthanasia.

"We want people to think about what they're doing and we believe it's important for them to engage with their potential representatives, so that the people who are elected reflect the community values and community expectations," he said.

Speaking on ABC TV's Stateline program, Archbishop Hart listed euthanasia and abortion as two key issues for Catholics when it comes to deciding how they should vote at the state election.

Among their policies, the Greens in Victoria want to legalise euthanasia.

"We disagree totally with the Greens view on this issue. We believe that the value of life is so important that we can't step aside from it," Archbishop Hart said.

Senior lecturer in politics at Monash University, Dr Paul Strangio, says it does have "the slightest whiff" of what the Catholic Church did in the '50s.

"They were warning their flock against Communists and the danger of the Labor Party and its Communist tinges at that time," he said.

"The great irony here is that at that time, the battleground was often Irish Catholic electorates, which were principally in the inner city area.

"And today it seems to be much of the conservative panic, if you like, that's going on is now about the Greens and where there is a growing force in those very same areas that have undergone such a dramatic socio-demographic transformation over recent years."

According to a poll released this week, if an election was held now the Greens would receive 19 per cent of the primary vote in Melbourne.

Dr Strangio says the pamphlets will have a limited effect on inner city voters.

"According to the last census, around 25 per cent of Australians professed to be Catholics," he said.

"But if you look at those inner city electorates, the level of people professing to have no faith is disproportionally high."

Victorian Greens Senator-elect Richard Di Natale says the party is not afraid of the Catholic Church.

"We're not worried. How do you rank something like the growing gap between rich and poor and significant homelessness that exists in the state of Victoria?" he said.

"How do you rank that against an issue like the right to die with dignity?

"Now, I think many Catholics will weigh all of those things up. I think some might agree with the Archbishop, but a much bigger number will think those other things are much more important and vote accordingly."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/30/3052692.htm?section=justin


Should the Catholic church pay taxes now they have become politically active and lost there independence.....and what do people think about children being used to influence there parents through class room propaganda.....I think it is very worrying to have teachers pushing any agenda through access to our children....does anyone else have a problem with this???

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Reply #17 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 11:14am
 
The unions, who own the ALP, and will soon own the greens, are more politically active than any other entity "outside" of politics in the country.  I wouldn`t criticise anyone for political interferance if I was either a green or an alp supporter.

The unions have handicapped this country more than any other body.
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Reply #18 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 11:23am
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Oct 31st, 2010 at 11:14am:
The unions, who own the ALP, and will soon own the greens, are more politically active than any other entity "outside" of politics in the country.  I wouldn`t criticise anyone for political interferance if I was either a green or an alp supporter.

The unions have handicapped this country more than any other body.


And religion has not.....Unions can defend themselves Aussie....I do not belong to one and never will so I fail to see what this has to do with this debate.....deflection no doubt.....my argument is about the church pushing a political agenda through access to our children in the class room.....I am surprised you have no problem with this???

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Reply #19 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 11:27am
 
I have a problem with religion intefering in politics Phil.  However, if you look back through British history, you`ll find that our humanitarian lifestyle stems from that exact thing.
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Reply #20 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 11:48am
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Oct 31st, 2010 at 11:27am:
I have a problem with religion intefering in politics Phil.  However, if you look back through British history, you`ll find that our humanitarian lifestyle stems from that exact thing.


Separation of church and State Aussie.....I have no problem with people who hold religious values as the corner stone of there life and find true Christian values to be worth preserving in our society.....but I take objection to the church pushing a POLITICAL agenda through access to our children in the class room.....I doubt very much that BOTH sides of the argument were presented in this debate that our children should not have been drawn into....ok!!!

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Reply #21 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 11:59am
 
Phil,  I worked in the State School system for a while, and I know for a fact that teachers in many schools subtly push their political agendas onto students as well, so it's not confined only to christian schools.  I think it probably balances out across the entire education spectrum.

As for christians voting as a block,  I think you would find that individuals vote as their own consciences guide them.
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Reply #22 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 12:14pm
 
nichy wrote on Oct 31st, 2010 at 11:59am:
Phil,  I worked in the State School system for a while, and I know for a fact that teachers in many schools subtly push their political agendas onto students as well, so it's not confined only to christian schools.  I think it probably balances out across the entire education spectrum.

As for christians voting as a block,  I think you would find that individuals vote as their own consciences guide them.


Definitely. When we were studying the dismissal in high school, our history teacher praised Whitlam as a hero. We also had "Support the Greens" signs in our English classrooms.
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Reply #23 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 12:24pm
 
nichy wrote on Oct 31st, 2010 at 11:59am:
Phil,  I worked in the State School system for a while, and I know for a fact that teachers in many schools subtly push their political agendas onto students as well, so it's not confined only to christian schools.  I think it probably balances out across the entire education spectrum.

As for christians voting as a block,  I think you would find that individuals vote as their own consciences guide them.


Hello Nichy.....my point is that in this instance Catholic schools are directly interfering in an election and they are using access to our children to do so.....this in no way excuses left wing political agendas being pushed in State schools.....if you care to provide instances were this has happened then I will support your argument.....however churches and religious schools are tax exempt and are given government funding because of there independence from politics.....I find this trend to be very disturbing in Australian society were the church  can condemn others but cannot be criticized themselves!!!

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Reply #24 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 1:13pm
 
Phil,  the Catholic Church is criticised constantly -  but look at all the good work they do - hospitals, aged care, hospices, care of the disadvantaged, schools,  etc etc.    If parents send their children to church run schools they do so knowing that the church will take a stand on particular issues and will inform the parents of these issues.  No-one forces parents to send their children to these schools.

Let's face it children are being brainwashed everytime they look at a kids' program on TV with all the commercials and such, so there isn't much difference really.   Anyway the parents will do as they want no matter what literature is sent home.

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Reply #25 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 1:25pm
 
nichy wrote on Oct 31st, 2010 at 1:13pm:
Phil,  the Catholic Church is criticised constantly -  but look at all the good work they do - hospitals, aged care, hospices, care of the disadvantaged, schools,  etc etc.    If parents send their children to church run schools they do so knowing that the church will take a stand on particular issues and will inform the parents of these issues.  No-one forces parents to send their children to these schools.

Let's face it children are being brainwashed everytime they look at a kids' program on TV with all the commercials and such, so there isn't much difference really.   Anyway the parents will do as they want no matter what literature is sent home.




I think you miss my point again Nichy.....people send there children to Catholic schools for a better education knowing they will be subjected to RELIGIOUS TEACHING....political activism is completely different.....would you accept a one sided view of gay marriage being taught in public schools with letters being sent home on topic with your children.....we are talking about a political agenda here not religious teaching.....it is unacceptable in any form to use our children for political activism.....no matter what the cause!!!

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Reply #26 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 1:30pm
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Oct 31st, 2010 at 11:14am:
The unions, who own the ALP, and will soon own the greens, are more politically active than any other entity "outside" of politics in the country.  I wouldn`t criticise anyone for political interferance if I was either a green or an alp supporter.

The unions have handicapped this country more than any other body.


LOL aussie...I think it might be the greens owning the unions, rather than the other way around...

And the greens are(or will soon be) far more of a handicap than the unions ever were....
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Reply #27 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 1:42pm
 
Phil I don't think I'm missing the point - perhaps I am not articulating it well enough.  Certain of the Greens policies are the opposite of  the Religious beliefs of the majority of Christian Churches .  eg. the Sixth Commandment.
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Reply #28 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 1:48pm
 
nichy wrote on Oct 31st, 2010 at 1:42pm:
Phil I don't think I'm missing the point - perhaps I am not articulating it well enough.  Certain of the Greens policies are the opposite of  the Religious beliefs of the majority of Christian Churches .  eg. the Sixth Commandment.


The Catholic church are directly interfering in the Victorian state election through political activism in the class room.....Churches are tax exempt because they are not a political organization.....once they become publically active should there tax exempt status be removed???

I have no problem with the church arguing about social issues in the public domain and in fact support there roll in the community.....however I do not support religious schools pushing a political agenda in the class room.....the fanatical political teachings in some Madras’s comes to mind as an example of what I am talking about.....separation of church and state!!!

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Reply #29 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 1:53pm
 
OK Phil,  but you had better take that one up with the tax man , out of my realm -   Smiley

BTW it's a pleasure to "argue" the point with someone who doesn't get nasty or use personal attacks. 

Must away -  have a good day.

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