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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Life, the Universe and Everything Oct 30^th, 2010 at 7:17am Axle wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 12:21am: Some experts don't think that fusion reactors will live up to their promise: I'd like to think that before the end of the century we'll be mining Helium-3 on the moon for fusion reactors for a moon colony. Perhaps we'll have a colony on Mars by then too. s
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Re: Laser fusion in California
Reply #1 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 7:21am

muso wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 7:17am:

Axle wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 12:21am:

Some experts don't think that fusion reactors will live up to their promise:

I'd like to think that before the end of the century we'll be mining Helium-3 on the moon for fusion reactors for a moon colony. Perhaps we'll have a colony on Mars by then too.

According to last night's news, NASA's looking for volunteers for a Mars colony they hope to start by 2030.....only drawback is that it's apparently a one-way ticket.....

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/nasas-hundred-years-starship-to-take-...

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Re: Laser fusion in California
Reply #2 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 7:30am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 7:21am:

muso wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 7:17am:

Axle wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 12:21am:

Some experts don't think that fusion reactors will live up to their promise:

I'd like to think that before the end of the century we'll be mining Helium-3 on the moon for fusion reactors for a moon colony. Perhaps we'll have a colony on Mars by then too.

According to last night's news, NASA's looking for volunteers for a Mars colony they hope to start by 2030.....only drawback is that it's apparently a one-way ticket.....

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/nasas-hundred-years-starship-to-take-...

Yeah - I had that in the back of my mind. If I was younger, I would volunteer in an instant.

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Re: Laser fusion in California
Reply #3 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 7:35am

muso wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 7:30am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 7:21am:

muso wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 7:17am:

Axle wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 12:21am:

Some experts don't think that fusion reactors will live up to their promise:

I'd like to think that before the end of the century we'll be mining Helium-3 on the moon for fusion reactors for a moon colony. Perhaps we'll have a colony on Mars by then too.

According to last night's news, NASA's looking for volunteers for a Mars colony they hope to start by 2030.....only drawback is that it's apparently a one-way ticket.....

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/nasas-hundred-years-starship-to-take-...

Yeah - I had that in the back of my mind. If I was younger, I would volunteer in an instant.

Me too, but since it's not leaving til about 2030...I doubt they'd be looking for 67 yr olds....

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Laser fusion in California Reply #4 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 7:41am Just think....a chance to visit Helium and meet Tars Tarkas and Dejah Thoris........
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Re: Laser fusion in California
Reply #5 - Nov 5^th, 2010 at 2:10pm

muso wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 7:30am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 7:21am:

muso wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 7:17am:

Axle wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 12:21am:

Some experts don't think that fusion reactors will live up to their promise:

I'd like to think that before the end of the century we'll be mining Helium-3 on the moon for fusion reactors for a moon colony. Perhaps we'll have a colony on Mars by then too.

According to last night's news, NASA's looking for volunteers for a Mars colony they hope to start by 2030.....only drawback is that it's apparently a one-way ticket.....

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/nasas-hundred-years-starship-to-take-...

Yeah - I had that in the back of my mind. If I was younger, I would volunteer in an instant.

Yes I agree. Very exciting. Now where are my copies of Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars.

A positive story about the future for a change.

And remember Gizmo, a chance to visit Olympus Mons, the Martian pyramids, the big face and cruise the canals in an anti grav gondola.

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Re: Laser fusion in California
Reply #6 - Nov 6^th, 2010 at 10:31pm

Muso.
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Yeah - I had that in the back of my mind. If I was younger, I would volunteer in an instant.

Come on mate - you're a dreamer.
Who the hell would want a one way trip to Mars?
The living conditions would be deplorable & dangerous.
You'd be like Dr Smith in Lost in Space -
trying to get back to Earth.

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Re: Laser fusion in California
Reply #7 - Nov 7^th, 2010 at 5:02am

Who told you that the Orion won't bring them back to earth? It has a Marian lander

The facility is completed, and the US Department of Energy has a ton of supercomputers doing simulation programs 24/7 with better nodes being built.

http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2009/03/laser-fusion-fa.html
http://www.nersc.gov/
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080117164126.htm
http://www.betanews.com/article/DOE-supercomputer-broke-the-petaflop-barrier-conference-acknowledges/1213052334

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Re: Laser fusion in California
Reply #8 - Nov 7^th, 2010 at 6:30am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2010 at 10:31pm:

Muso.
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Yeah - I had that in the back of my mind. If I was younger, I would volunteer in an instant.

Come on mate - you're a dreamer.
Who the hell would want a one way trip to Mars?
The living conditions would be deplorable & dangerous.
You'd be like Dr Smith in Lost in Space -
trying to get back to Earth.

I should split this thread. It has nothing to do with Laser fusion.

I'm pretty sure that it would be possible to provide controlled environment, enclosed settlements (Think of really futuristic shopping malls. Just imagine it.).

The basic ingredients are there already. (They are also on the moon... and especially on Phobos. Land some Solar panels on Phobos, and use the electrical power for electrolysis to produce oxygen and hydrogen. Hey presto, you have a refueling station in a very low gravitational well. )

The first step would be landing some basic robotic infrastructure to start building, to start producing oxygen from the water that exists in the regolith and produce some living quarters to start with.

Actual terraforming would be centuries away.

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Re: Laser fusion in California
Reply #9 - Nov 15^th, 2010 at 12:24pm

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The basic ingredients are there already. (They are also on the moon... and especially on Phobos. Land some Solar panels on Phobos, and use the electrical power for electrolysis to produce oxygen and hydrogen. Hey presto, you have a refueling station in a very low gravitational well. )

The first step would be landing some basic robotic infrastructure to start building, to start producing oxygen from the water that exists in the regolith and produce some living quarters to start with.

Actual terraforming would be centuries away.
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Wait, are you guys thinking of the X-22A Anti-gravity fighter with HELLADS installed? You guys are really smart!

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Re: Laser fusion in California
Reply #10 - Nov 15^th, 2010 at 12:42pm

renegadeviking wrote on Nov 15^th, 2010 at 12:24pm:

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The basic ingredients are there already. (They are also on the moon... and especially on Phobos. Land some Solar panels on Phobos, and use the electrical power for electrolysis to produce oxygen and hydrogen. Hey presto, you have a refueling station in a very low gravitational well. )

The first step would be landing some basic robotic infrastructure to start building, to start producing oxygen from the water that exists in the regolith and produce some living quarters to start with.

Actual terraforming would be centuries away.
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Wait, are you guys thinking of the X-22A Anti-gravity fighter with HELLADS installed? You guys are really smart!

LOL no viking, the reallio trulio technology does currently exist (in the real) world, to build habitats on Mars.....the problem was always making it a return trip....

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Re: Life, the Universe and Everything
Reply #11 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:46am

UNITED NATIONS — Bolivia will this month table a draft United Nations treaty giving “Mother Earth” the same rights as humans — having just passed a domestic law that does the same for bugs, trees and all other natural things in the South American country.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/resolution+looks+give+Mother+Earth+same+rights+...

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Re-primitivisation is in progress.

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Re: Life, the Universe and Everything
Reply #12 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:59am

Soren wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:46am:

UNITED NATIONS — Bolivia will this month table a draft United Nations treaty giving “Mother Earth” the same rights as humans — having just passed a domestic law that does the same for bugs, trees and all other natural things in the South American country.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/resolution+looks+give+Mother+Earth+same+rights+...

Once you validate small lunacies out of politeness and a desire to rub along, the idiots will be encouraged and come up with ever greater idiocies.

Re-primitivisation is in progress.

That is possible?

But, it won't result from this sort of action!

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Re: Life, the Universe and Everything
Reply #13 - Apr 21^st, 2011 at 12:29am

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:59am:

Soren wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:46am:

UNITED NATIONS — Bolivia will this month table a draft United Nations treaty giving “Mother Earth” the same rights as humans — having just passed a domestic law that does the same for bugs, trees and all other natural things in the South American country.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/resolution+looks+give+Mother+Earth+same+rights+...

Once you validate small lunacies out of politeness and a desire to rub along, the idiots will be encouraged and come up with ever greater idiocies.

Re-primitivisation is in progress.

That is possible?

But, it won't result from this sort of action!

At some stage we're going to have to come to terms with the fact that if we don't collectively give a damn about our environment .. then we're permitting and inviting global genocide.

That's the bottom line.

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Hayden James New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12 California Gender:	Re: Life, the Universe and Everything Reply #14 - May 2^nd, 2011 at 7:47pm Informative! This is very helpful to my query.
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