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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Pink Ribbon gender politics Reply #30 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 10:21am Quote: Well it certainly wasn't peer respect in my case. I donate quite a few thousands to charity each year and tell nobody about it. Nobody???
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Reply #31 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 10:22am

mellie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2010 at 10:18am:

And muso, when the funds come from the public, this and are indeed tax deductible, yes I think it becomes all of our business.

Here, take a look at this.

http://eprints.qut.edu.au/13517/

And these publications.

http://www.bus.qut.edu.au/research/cpns/publications/#WorkingPapers

Yes it is political.

Tax deductable just means that you don't pay tax on it, and you shouldn't pay tax on it. CEO's salaries are taxed anyway, so that part is irrelevant.

What is all the fuss about?

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Reply #32 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 10:24am

... wrote on Oct 27^th, 2010 at 10:21am:

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Well it certainly wasn't peer respect in my case. I donate quite a few thousands to charity each year and tell nobody about it.

Nobody???

Not usually, except in this case just to correct a misconception. Put it this way, I didn't donate so I could boast about it. I donated to help make a difference.

In fact it's usually a private matter. Nobody I work with knows that I do this.

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Reply #33 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 10:25am

Now muso is beginning to annoy me with his ineptitude, so I should go, before I state more than I should about the bleeding obvious.

Told noone Muso?

Well, you are chest beating here now...though for what's it's worth, I doubt you donated a cent... would be difficult donating too much on centrelink benefits I would assume?
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That's enough..

ta ta..

Take a closer look at your bleeding heart foundations.

http://www.bus.qut.edu.au/research/cpns/publications/#WorkingPapers

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Reply #34 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 10:28am

mellie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2010 at 10:25am:

Now muso is beginning to annoy me with his ineptitude, so I should go, before I state more than I should about the bleeding obvious.

Told noone Muso?

Well, you are chest beating here now...though for what's it's worth, I doubt you donated a cent... would be difficult donating too much on centrelink benefits I would assume?
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That's enough..

ta ta..

The definition of ineptitude in this thread is taking an issue of CEO salaries and making it look as if the bulk of donations go towards that. It clearly does not. The charity would not be qualified to register as a charity in Australia if it did.

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Reply #35 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 10:33am

You coudl look at charities, as simply businesses trying to get fundign for their ventures.
They claim your dollar will go towards research into finding a cure for X disease.
So what happens when they find that cure? Will all the donations be returned? Will they share the profits with those who funded them?
Nar....they will market their discovery, generating mega-profits, with no guarantee the discovery will be made available, unless you've got a lazy million $ to spare.
You could argue that the work to find a cure is in the public interest - well sure, but all busineeses working on developing something would argue their product is in the public interest, otherwise it's not going to sell. So why should I finance their business ventures, when everyone else has to find their own funding? Usually, investors are rewarded for taking a gamble on the success of the development they invested in - not in this case. Seems they just want something for nothing - don't we all?

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Reply #36 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 10:44am

I prefer to take the view that if you really want to help people, you should concentrate on providing education and resources to help them to help themselves, and to give them something that will perpetuate and be sustainable.

In some cases, infrastructure is a sound way to achieve a return on investment.

What I am totally against are those charities who basically give out handouts. You might as well find a drunk on the street who asks you for money for a meal. You think you're doing the right thing by giving him a few dollars and he goes out and spends the money on more booze.

As far as the Cancer Foundation is concerned, most of the men at our workplace participate in Movember or Shave for a cure. We only end up giving a few dollars each, and it's just a bit of fun.

The ladies have their coffee and cake mornings, which are also very popular. It's never a question of one-upmanship, and I've never seen any clip on pink ribbons in my workplace. I also participate in Relay for Life because two of our friends are Cancer survivors, and we provide some solidarity to them at those events.

I think the Cancer Foundation have done a very good job of marketing, and a lot comes down to their management team.

The Phamaceutical companies basically want an expensive drug related solution in order to perpetuate their business. There is a gap in research for those looking for less expensive solutions.

The Cancer Foundation is a not for profit organisation, and will never be involved in marketing products. They also fund education programs like sun safety where the causes of cancer are well known.

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Reply #37 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 10:44am

... wrote on Oct 27^th, 2010 at 10:33am:

You coudl look at charities, as simply businesses trying to get fundign for their ventures.
They claim your dollar will go towards research into finding a cure for X disease.
So what happens when they find that cure? Will all the donations be returned? Will they share the profits with those who funded them?
Nar....they will market their discovery, generating mega-profits, with no guarantee the discovery will be made available, unless you've got a lazy million $ to spare.
You could argue that the work to find a cure is in the public interest - well sure, but all busineeses working on developing something would argue their product is in the public interest, otherwise it's not going to sell. So why should I finance their business ventures, when everyone else has to find their own funding? Usually, investors are rewarded for taking a gamble on the success of the development they invested in - not in this case. Seems they just want something for nothing - don't we all?

Exactly, but it's all for a good cause apparently...sigh!~

What's the socialist/commy ASEM link you wonder...re- the commy-convention/meeting Gillard hawked our fork at recently when she advised how we, a modern-Australia, now see ourselves as being part of Asia?

Quickly now, make your donations here...

http://asem4green.org/donate.php

Cool

...It's all entwined.

Brussels - Australia's newly sworn in leader used her maiden visit to Brussels on Monday to propose a cooperation treaty with the European Union, an offer that came just ahead of her country's first- ever participation in an Asia-Europe (ASEM) summit.

....continues

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/news/347057,offers-eu-cooperation-treaty.html

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Time to come back down to earth, and see this BS regime for what Howard saw it for... a crock of sh8t.

Worst of all, one way or another, we're funding her commy process.

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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Pink Ribbon gender politics Reply #38 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 10:54am I think in this ASEM case, we have seen a chartable business, go global... this and become too powerful. You might call it a super-charity, or a global charity Inc. Quite dangerous really, and pink ribbon is going/gone the same way. Time to pull up the breaks.
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Reply #39 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 11:59am

mellie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2010 at 8:16am:

What's wrong with both a pink and blue ribbon day, prostate and breast cancer awareness for both men and woman?

Roll Eyes

Are you being logical??????

And dont let the fact that more men are diagnosed with prostate cancer than that of women with breast cancer interfere with this either!

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Posts: 7062 Gender:	Re: Pink Ribbon gender politics Reply #40 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 12:03pm Muso, I should have been clearer in my post. It was in reply to Imperium's statement about the motivation for engaging in charity. I'm with you - I donate regularly to charities I think make the most difference. I don't do so to increase my social status. (It'd take a lot more than charitable donations to do that )
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Reply #41 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 12:04pm

I also wonder why male pursuits are now promoting womens health casues. I think all the major sports in Australia have had at least one team wearing special pink shirts to 'raise awareness' of breast cancer ( seriously, who the bugger is not aware of breast cancer?)
Seeing as how the viewing audience would be 80% male, wouldn't it make more sense to target this audience?
I guess it's all part of the drive to outlaw traditionally male pursuits, making them 'family friendly' and in the process, destroying that which made them great to start with.

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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Pink Ribbon gender politics Reply #42 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 12:14pm btw, all those chartable campaign ribbons are made in China ...this and are probably laced with ricin.
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Reply #43 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 12:14pm

tickfen wrote on Oct 27^th, 2010 at 11:59am:

mellie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2010 at 8:16am:

What's wrong with both a pink and blue ribbon day, prostate and breast cancer awareness for both men and woman?

Roll Eyes

Are you being logical??????

And dont let the fact that more men are diagnosed with prostate cancer than that of women with breast cancer interfere with this either!

According to the Prostate Cancer Foundation of Australia;
"•Each year in Australia, close to 3,300 men die of prostate cancer - equal to the number of women who die from breast cancer annually. Around 20,000 new cases are diagnosed in Australia every year. "

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Reply #44 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 12:20pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 27^th, 2010 at 9:22am:

AussieF2R - your ignorance doesn't surprise me.

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The American Cancer Society reports that in 2010, approximately 1,970 men will be diagnosed with invasive breast cancer.

Which equates to two fifths of five eighths of ferk all.

As I said, that one really fooled us all Annie. Grin

In fact Annie, in the 12 months from July 2009 approx 3780 US men will have died from infected ingrown toenails.

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