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Re: Should Labor Merge With The Greens.
Reply #45 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 11:26am

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Care to tell me what this has to do with the Australian Greens, and theur opportunity to make themselves relevant in the governing of Oz?

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Your superiority is unbecoming . The answer I gave was in the continuation of the discussion.

A discussion involves two or more people. One person is a lecture.

You are the only one to make reference to the Libs, in a discussion about the Greens.

Question - Should the Greens merge with Labor.
How is the Libs even relevant to any such discussion?

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Re: Should Labor Merge With The Greens.
Reply #46 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:25pm

Across Europe, middle-of-the-road voters are leaning to the right. The social democratic parties have been taken to the electoral cleaners in country after country and Sweden is no exception. In the 2010 general elections, Sweden’s Social Democrats registered their worst result since 1911, garnering a mere 30 per cent of the vote.

This was hardly a shock. We social democrats have meandered into the proverbial political wilderness – with neither a compass nor a map.

In Sweden part of this ill-defined journey has involved holding hands with the greens.

http://www.policy-network.net/articles_detail.aspx?ID=3906

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Re: Should Labor Merge With The Greens.
Reply #47 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:28pm

The Green Party did improve its share of the electorate, but it mainly siphoned voters from the Social Democrats. The strategy to attract young, environmentally aware, urbanites who would have traditionally voted centre-right simply never panned out.

Indeed, many traditionally social democratic voters directly cited a wariness of the red-green experiment. According to the polling institute United Minds, 32 per cent of those who turned their back on the Social Democrats did so mainly because of the collaboration with the Left Party. Roughly 44 per cent said that the Left Party had gained too much influence over policy; whilst 45 per cent cited the Green Party’s influence.

Distrust of the Green Party was especially high in historically Social Democrat strongholds. I have experienced this suspicion firsthand when talking to family and friends in northern Sweden. “They want to take away our way of life. They want to close our factories, take our cars and our snow scooters. They want to restrict hunting and travel. We have absolutely nothing in common. Their values aren’t my values. Why are we in bed with this party?”
http://www.policy-network.net/articles_detail.aspx?ID=3906

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Re: Should Labor Merge With The Greens.
Reply #48 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:40pm

Soren wrote on Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:28pm:

The Green Party did improve its share of the electorate, but it mainly siphoned voters from the Social Democrats. The strategy to attract young, environmentally aware, urbanites who would have traditionally voted centre-right simply never panned out.

Indeed, many traditionally social democratic voters directly cited a wariness of the red-green experiment. According to the polling institute United Minds, 32 per cent of those who turned their back on the Social Democrats did so mainly because of the collaboration with the Left Party. Roughly 44 per cent said that the Left Party had gained too much influence over policy; whilst 45 per cent cited the Green Party’s influence.

Distrust of the Green Party was especially high in historically Social Democrat strongholds. I have experienced this suspicion firsthand when talking to family and friends in northern Sweden. “They want to take away our way of life. They want to close our factories, take our cars and our snow scooters. They want to restrict hunting and travel. We have absolutely nothing in common. Their values aren’t my values. Why are we in bed with this party?”
http://www.policy-network.net/articles_detail.aspx?ID=3906

"The strategy to attract young, environmentally aware, urbanites who would have traditionally voted centre-right simply never panned out."

Young urbanites are invariably environmentally ignorant, or even worse, indoctrinated with emotional dogmatic propaganda. The only factual environmental knowledge most of them will ever possess refers to the air con settings in their favourite wine bar.

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Re: Should Labor Merge With The Greens.
Reply #50 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:45pm

“They want to take away our way of life. They want to close our factories, take our cars and our snow scooters. They want to restrict hunting and travel. We have absolutely nothing in common. Their values aren’t my values. Why are we in bed with this party?”

Young urbanites are invariably environmentally ignorant, or even worse, indoctrinated with emotional dogmatic propaganda. The only factual environmental knowledge most of them will ever possess refers to the air con settings in their favourite wine bar. ...aussiefree2

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Perhaps they need to listen to their Swedish counterparts before it is too late.

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Reply #51 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:51pm

The Social Democrats and unions have always agreed that the redistribution of wealth requires, well, wealth. The party has also contended that economic growth is the key to developing new and greener technology for a more sustainable future.

Sweden’s greens, however, increasingly percieve economic growth to be incompatible with their lofty environmental aspirations.
http://www.policy-network.net/articles_detail.aspx?ID=3906

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Re: Should Labor Merge With The Greens.
Reply #52 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:55pm

Soren wrote on Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:28pm:

The Green Party did improve its share of the electorate, but it mainly siphoned voters from the Social Democrats. The strategy to attract young, environmentally aware, urbanites who would have traditionally voted centre-right simply never panned out.

In Australia, the Green vote increased at Labor's expense - doctors' wives, Arts students, public servants. The Sentimentalists.

http://greens.org.au/content/greens-results-2010-pictures

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nichy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1812 Gender:	Re: Should Labor Merge With The Greens. Reply #53 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:57pm They will live to regret it - though it might be too late for Australia by then.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98921	Re: Should Labor Merge With The Greens. Reply #54 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:59pm These social democrats and communists are nothing new. I blame Bob Santamaria. Labor should merge with the DLP.
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Re: Should Labor Merge With The Greens.
Reply #55 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 1:00pm

Soren wrote on Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:55pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:28pm:

The Green Party did improve its share of the electorate, but it mainly siphoned voters from the Social Democrats. The strategy to attract young, environmentally aware, urbanites who would have traditionally voted centre-right simply never panned out.

In Australia, the Green vote increased at Labor's expense - doctors' wives, Arts students, public servants. The Sentimentalists.

http://greens.org.au/sites/greens.org.au/files/u543/2010-national-swing-graph.pn...

http://greens.org.au/content/greens-results-2010-pictures

Hmm, you appear to be hinting that those not overly familiar with cogitative process tended toward the greens?

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Should Labor Merge With The Greens. Reply #56 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 1:01pm Karnal wrote on Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:59pm: These social democrats and communists are nothing new. I blame Bob Santamaria. Labor should merge with the DLP. LOL
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Should Labor Merge With The Greens. Reply #57 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 1:03pm Soren wrote on Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:55pm: doctors' wives, Arts students, public servants Oh - I almost forgot - AND ex-Sex Pistols and their fans. "a Sex Pistol drives a Prius" http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2009/02/jonesys-jukebox.html
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Re: Should Labor Merge With The Greens.
Reply #58 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 1:14pm

Soren wrote on Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:55pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:28pm:

The Green Party did improve its share of the electorate, but it mainly siphoned voters from the Social Democrats. The strategy to attract young, environmentally aware, urbanites who would have traditionally voted centre-right simply never panned out.

In Australia, the Green vote increased at Labor's expense - doctors' wives, Arts students, public servants. The Sentimentalists.

The farmers...

An ETS is foremost on the agenda of the regional independants holding the balance of power.

Those in the bush see the results of 200 years of environmental degredation first hand. Those Swedish Greens are right. Environmental sustainability is the key for economic growth.

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Re: Should Labor Merge With The Greens.
Reply #59 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 1:21pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 25^th, 2010 at 1:14pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:55pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 25^th, 2010 at 12:28pm:

The Green Party did improve its share of the electorate, but it mainly siphoned voters from the Social Democrats. The strategy to attract young, environmentally aware, urbanites who would have traditionally voted centre-right simply never panned out.

In Australia, the Green vote increased at Labor's expense - doctors' wives, Arts students, public servants. The Sentimentalists.

The farmers...

An ETS is foremost on the agenda of the regional independants holding the balance of power.

Those in the bush see the results of 200 years of environmental degredation first hand. Those Swedish Greens are right. Environmental sustainability is the key for economic growth.

What effect do you think the previous 40 thousand years of annual burning had on the environment ?

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