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James Bluntus Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 456 Gender:	Left/Right Faction Sep 11^th, 2010 at 2:21pm Help!!! how do you determine whether your in the Left Faction or Centre Unity (right). I really don't know.
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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Left/Right Faction Reply #1 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 2:25pm Google both, look up their wiki entries and pick the one you feel is closer to your beliefs.
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James Bluntus Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 456 Gender:	Re: Left/Right Faction Reply #2 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 2:49pm Labor Left. Firmly against privatisation and I am for the traditional labor values.
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Left/Right Faction Reply #3 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 2:52pm James Bluntus wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 2:49pm: Labor Left. Firmly against privatisation and I am for the traditional labor values. There you go. Just beware of extremism. I've never known any extreme to work.
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Re: Left/Right Faction
Reply #4 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 3:06pm

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 2:52pm:

James Bluntus wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 2:49pm:

Labor Left. Firmly against privatisation and I am for the traditional labor values.

There you go.

Just beware of extremism. I've never known any extreme to work.

Well, reading the Wiki article, I think what is killing the ALP is having the Centre Unity in control in NSW and to a certain extent Federal Labor even though Gillard is from the Left/leaning over to the Right. That is why the ALP have abandoned their values of the old. Reading "Betrayal" by Simon Benson. ALP head office sought to have the left back in control of the NSW ALP. That is why Tripodi was ousted by Rees. Unfortunately, Centre Unity and the "Terrigals" still held the majority vote in the Caucus and as a result Rees failed and Kennelly won over Rees. But, the 2 people that started all this revolving door leadership was Bitar and Arbib ousting Iemma because he was going poorly in the polls 1 year after an election and 3 years until an election. I predict if Kennelly takes a dip in preferred Premier, John Robertson will take up a lower house seat and will be Premier.

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Reply #5 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 3:24pm

Leftist = scabs, bludges, Drug addicts, homosexual, cotton wool, political correctness, communist, socialist, over-population, open borders and no identity or culture, Globalism.

Right wing = Typical family values and respect, small business, anti immigration, common sense, truth, fairgo, Culture and National identity and all things Aussie. The want for Australia to be the best country in the world.

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Reply #6 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 3:27pm

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 3:24pm:

Leftist = scabs, bludges, Drug addicts, homosexual, cotton wool, political correctness, communist, socialist, over-population, open borders and no identity or culture, Globalism.

Right wing = Typical family values and respect, small business, anti immigration, common sense, truth, fairgo, Culture and National identity and all things Aussie. The want for Australia to be the best country in the world.

See what I meant about extremes? Roll Eyes

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Re: Left/Right Faction
Reply #7 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 3:38pm

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 3:27pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 3:24pm:

Leftist = scabs, bludges, Drug addicts, homosexual, cotton wool, political correctness, communist, socialist, over-population, open borders and no identity or culture, Globalism.

Right wing = Typical family values and respect, small business, anti immigration, common sense, truth, fairgo, Culture and National identity and all things Aussie. The want for Australia to be the best country in the world.

See what I meant about extremes? Roll Eyes

LOL!!! Left for me:)

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Re: Left/Right Faction
Reply #8 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 3:47pm

James Bluntus wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 3:06pm:

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Well, reading the Wiki article, I think what is killing the ALP is having the Centre Unity in control in NSW and to a certain extent Federal Labor even though Gillard is from the Left/leaning over to the Right. That is why the ALP have abandoned their values of the old. Reading "Betrayal" by Simon Benson. ALP head office sought to have the left back in control of the NSW ALP. That is why Tripodi was ousted by Rees. Unfortunately, Centre Unity and the "Terrigals" still held the majority vote in the Caucus and as a result Rees failed and Kennelly won over Rees. But, the 2 people that started all this revolving door leadership was Bitar and Arbib ousting Iemma because he was going poorly in the polls 1 year after an election and 3 years until an election. I predict if Kennelly takes a dip in preferred Premier, John Robertson will take up a lower house seat and will be Premier.

Labor is Australia's oldest political party. That's a problem: lots of historical baggage. As a member, you'll probably find the party both Machiavellian and sclerotic.

Politics, it's said, is the art of the possible. We can't always get what we want, but part is better than none. The trick is deciding how much compromise is too much.

If you haven't already done so, read The Prince http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/1232. Contrary to the way he's generally interpreted, Machiavelli wasn't advocating the behaviours therein. He was just telling it like it was (and largely, still is).

You're young. Consult widely and think broadly. In pursuit of a goal, try to avoid letting your vision narrow. People often equate focus with narrow vision. The two are not synonymous.

Above all, don't let the bastards grind you down. Wink

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Reply #9 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 4:20pm

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 3:24pm:

Leftist = scabs, bludges, Drug addicts, homosexual, cotton wool, political correctness, communist, socialist, over-population, open borders and no identity or culture, Globalism.

Right wing = Typical family values and respect, small business, anti immigration, common sense, truth, fairgo, Culture and National identity and all things Aussie. The want for Australia to be the best country in the world.

This is the distorted perceptual framing that was (very narrowly) defeated at the election. I don't believe most Australians want this kind of divisive culture-clash US FOX News channel psychopolitical rhetoric to invade our workplaces, families and social lives.

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Labor won the 2-party preferred vote. Full results breakdown: http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2010/09/how-australia-voted.html

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Deborahmac09 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1619	Re: Left/Right Faction Reply #10 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 4:29pm a fair go goes more with socialism than any other.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Left/Right Faction Reply #11 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 5:05pm Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 4:29pm: a fair go goes more with socialism than any other. And a WORKING 'go' with a mixed economy. As we have just seen in spain portugal and greece, socialism has a very big problem with being able to afford the life it demands.
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Re: Left/Right Faction
Reply #12 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 5:07pm

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 3:47pm:

James Bluntus wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 3:06pm:

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Well, reading the Wiki article, I think what is killing the ALP is having the Centre Unity in control in NSW and to a certain extent Federal Labor even though Gillard is from the Left/leaning over to the Right. That is why the ALP have abandoned their values of the old. Reading "Betrayal" by Simon Benson. ALP head office sought to have the left back in control of the NSW ALP. That is why Tripodi was ousted by Rees. Unfortunately, Centre Unity and the "Terrigals" still held the majority vote in the Caucus and as a result Rees failed and Kennelly won over Rees. But, the 2 people that started all this revolving door leadership was Bitar and Arbib ousting Iemma because he was going poorly in the polls 1 year after an election and 3 years until an election. I predict if Kennelly takes a dip in preferred Premier, John Robertson will take up a lower house seat and will be Premier.

Labor is Australia's oldest political party. That's a problem: lots of historical baggage. As a member, you'll probably find the party both Machiavellian and sclerotic.

Politics, it's said, is the art of the possible. We can't always get what we want, but part is better than none. The trick is deciding how much compromise is too much.

If you haven't already done so, read The Prince http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/1232. Contrary to the way he's generally interpreted, Machiavelli wasn't advocating the behaviours therein. He was just telling it like it was (and largely, still is).

You're young. Consult widely and think broadly. In pursuit of a goal, try to avoid letting your vision narrow. People often equate focus with narrow vision. The two are not synonymous.

Above all, don't let the bastards grind you down. Wink

And also remember that if you want to stay firmly in the left then get used to a life of not being any where near where the decisions are made. Like it or not, left-wing govts dont get elected in this country. the nearest we got was Whitlam who was centre-left and tainted the 'brand' so badly that left-wing govts wont get elected in ANYONE's memory.

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Reply #13 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 8:00pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 5:07pm:

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And also remember that if you want to stay firmly in the left then get used to a life of not being any where near where the decisions are made. Like it or not, left-wing govts dont get elected in this country. the nearest we got was Whitlam who was centre-left and tainted the 'brand' so badly that left-wing govts wont get elected in ANYONE's memory.

Good point. Labor now is to the right of where the Liberals were under Fraser. Does Australia really have much of a political left any more?

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Reply #14 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 12:05am

# wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 8:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2010 at 5:07pm:

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And also remember that if you want to stay firmly in the left then get used to a life of not being any where near where the decisions are made. Like it or not, left-wing govts dont get elected in this country. the nearest we got was Whitlam who was centre-left and tainted the 'brand' so badly that left-wing govts wont get elected in ANYONE's memory.

Good point. Labor now is to the right of where the Liberals were under Fraser. Does Australia really have much of a political left any more?

Why do we want a left? find me a good left govt... if you can.

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