stryder wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 12:20am:


So if you like the same pizza as MAO then you must be a mass murderer as well.

Get lost stryder.

When it had the power to do so, Christianity employed drastic methods to suppress the reappearance of pagan elements that threatened to undermine the Christian order. Twelfth-century crusaders killed up to a million people in the parts of southern France held by the Albigensian heresy, with Aquinas' fervent blessing. And Christian magistrates executed between 50,000 and 100,000 witches, that is, suspected adepts of the old pagan nature-religion. Ancient Israel, if we believe the Hebrew Bible, entered the Land of Canaan with precise instructions to exterminate several of the pagan peoples they encountered.

This seems harsh, but given the sad experience of the 20th century, one can only wish that Christian Europe had done a more thorough job of extirpating paganism. When it returned under the swastika, paganism perpetrated horrors unimagined by the bloodthirstiest crusader. The petty wars of tribe and clan, as Nicholas Wade informs us in Before the Dawn, killed two-fifths of the males of every generation during 40,000 years of prehistory. When men worship themselves rather than a universal God, they have no qualms about murdering their neighbors - and that includes the Athens of Socrates and Aristotle.

Just what is paganism? It is the social order that underlies idolatry: the primacy of the animal ties of ancestry, in which the family is a small clan, the clan is a small tribe, and the tribe is a small nation. Pagans worship their own blood and soil at the altar of their nation. The attraction of self-worship is so strong that ancient Israel again and again fell back into pagan practices, while the self-styled "new Israel" of the Church was gutted in its home continent of Europe. America, a new people composed of people who abandoned ethnic allegiance, survived as the last home of Christianity in the industrial world.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LH24Ak01.html

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 11:40am:


Because they wanted land.

Soren wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 8:16pm:


I'd say that inherent even-handedness pre-exists Christianity by a long shot. And you last post suggests that it railed against it in the extreme.

locutius wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 12:55pm:


If you had looked at the whole article you would have seen that it was written by jew.



locutius wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 1:03pm:


You could say anything but there is no basis for what you'd say. The article I referred to shows that they railed against paganism, not even-handedness. If anything, it shows they railed against all forms of paganism - Islam, heretics, witches - even-handedly. Very Anglican in their even-handedness, in fact.

Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 12:17pm:




It never ceases to amaze me how much scholarly elucidation we get from this board and some of the regular contributors here.  Relax - I'm not talking about you Soren.

You know, It didn't occur to me for one moment that Adolf Hitler actually visited Obersalzberg so that he could dance around trees in the altogether and make offerings to the Earth Goddess along with Eva Braun. We learn something new every day.  

What a lot of apologist rot. Adolf Hitler was a Catholic. OK, some Catholics make the argument that he was really an Atheist because they don't want to associate with him these days.  Maybe some will argue that he was really a Jew or a Buddhist (a Muslim maybe?) - anything  but a Christian.

I mean, it's  good enough for most people that when somebody is baptised as a Catholic and confirmed as a Catholic and never excommunicated, then they are probably Catholic.  If Hitler had ever filled in a census form, I'm sure he would have described his religion as Roman Catholic, and he would have been registered for all posterity as a Left Footer.  It would have even been enough to convince the ABS had he lived in Australia.

So what's the basis of this argument - the Pagan one? The fact that Hitler liked Wagner and all these Valkyries and other flighty creatures from Germanic mythology?

Well I don't mind Wagner myself.   Come to thing about it, Old Bill Shakespeare had a bit of a thing for Roman mythology, but was he a pagan? - oh no! He might hathaway from time to time with Anne but not certainly not enough for retrospective ex-communication.

Totally piss weak. It reminds me of some of the apologist arguments that Abu makes for Osama Bin Laden.  

locutius wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 1:03pm:


I don`t think so.