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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #45 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 10:36am
 
nichy wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 7:34am:
It is obvious that Oakeshotte is not an Independent -  simply a slippery fraudster wanting to feather his own nest.  He knew that he would never be elected in Lyne if he had declared his true colours.  

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Neutral? Rob Oakeshott 'asked Labor for state cabinet seat'

EXCLUSIVE: Imre Salusinszky, NSW political reporter From: The Australian September 10, 2010 12:00AM

ROB Oakeshott has previously sought positions in Labor cabinets, casting doubt on whether the independent MP was fully impartial as he considered the claims of Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott to form minority government.

The Australian has learned that Mr Oakeshott, then a state MP, approached former NSW premier Morris Iemma in 2007 and asked to join his ministry. He was emboldened by persistent rumours of a cabinet reshuffle and the fact that Mr Iemma had recently appointed another independent, Northern Tablelands MP Richard Torbay, as Speaker.

According to a senior Labor source, Mr Oakeshott told Mr Iemma he might resign from parliament if his request were not met, warning that his seat of Port Macquarie would probably revert to the Nationals.


That does not mean he isn't independent. It doesn't even make sense to expect a politician to be neutral. They are elected for whatever stance they take, not because they fail to take a stand.
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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #46 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 10:50am
 
freediver,  of course it wouldn't make sense for a politician to be neutral,  however an Independent is generally accepted as being "neither , or",  in order to secure the best he/she can for their electorate.  It would seem that Oakeshotte misled the electorate by declaring himself Independent when  obviously he is a Labor man,  but didn't have the guts to stand as a Labor candidate knowing the electorate is basically conservative.  (or could it have been that Labor didn't want him, until now)

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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #47 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 10:53am
 
nichy wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 10:50am:
freediver,  of course it wouldn't make sense for a politician to be neutral,  however an Independent is generally accepted as being "neither , or",  in order to secure the best he/she can for their electorate.  It would seem that Oakeshotte misled the electorate by declaring himself Independent when  obviously he is a Labor man,  but didn't have the guts to stand as a Labor candidate knowing the electorate is basically conservative.  (or could it have been that Labor didn't want him, until now)



Asking for a cabinet seat does not contradict that. If he wanted to join Labor he would join Labor and tow the party line.

What do you expect this guy to do? Spoil his only opportunity for real power by agreeing to sit on the sidelines and let the major parties carry on as if he wasn't even there? How does being on the cabinet harm his electorate?
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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #48 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 10:57am
 
How can he be Independent if he is serving in the cabinet of one particular political party ?  I can't see either leader giving someone a position in their government and allowing them to "do their own thing"
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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #49 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 10:59am
 
Which is why he didn't get the cabinet seat. So by your logic this proves his independence.
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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #50 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 11:08am
 
nichy wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 10:57am:
How can he be Independent if he is serving in the cabinet of one particular political party ?  I can't see either leader giving someone a position in their government and allowing them to "do their own thing"


He is serving his Electorate , he has already brokered a deal for his electorate and regional Australia in general he has actually achieved something ..

How can Bob Katter be a independent and still side with the coalition from which he split ... he actually sided with them knowing he would in opposition and unable to do anything for his electorate ...

They are independents servicing their electorates in the best way they can well 2 of the 3 did Katter chose not to do something for his knowing he was clearly able to ...
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