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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #30 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 9:41pm

laborfornever wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 9:17pm:

Interesting to note Borbich, Hewson and Richardson all agree that this government will not last 18 months and Hewson says the independants will perform badly at the next poll???

But hey what do I know???

Now this Simon Sheikh fellow he too is a dreamer and fails to deal with reality of parliament but looks at what they might be able to do, another dreamer.

Get up would stand a real chance of becoming Australia's new left powerhouse if they ran a number of contenders at the next election.

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Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #31 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 9:48pm

If the electorates wanted a coalition government. Why didn't they VOTE for the coalition instead of an independent. Why throw a vote away for an independent candidate when you can just vote for the party you want in office? Also, I don't believe that the people who voted informal have a right to voice their opinion about who should form government. If they wanted a certain party in government, they should have voted for them. Sorry, just my opinion.

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Keep David Harris for Wyong. He gets things done.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Are independants finished in politics?? Reply #32 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 9:50pm What? you expect all the people to be rational all the time?
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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #33 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 9:53pm

James Bluntus wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 9:48pm:

If the electorates wanted a coalition government. Why didn't they VOTE for the coalition instead of an independent. Why throw a vote away for an independent candidate when you can just vote for the party you want in office? Also, I don't believe that the people who voted informal have a right to voice their opinion about who should form government. If they wanted a certain party in government, they should have voted for them. Sorry, just my opinion.

Why do people feel the need to apologise for their opinions?

Lyne was the only independant seat with a substantial swing away from both Major parties, in the other two it was only the ALP that suffered a notable -ve swing in both the other independent seats with relevance.

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Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

Alan Joyce for PM

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Binary Ninja Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 460	Re: Are independants finished in politics?? Reply #34 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 10:04pm they were never labour held seats .. they were nationals then went to the same member who was a independent now
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qikvtec Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1846 Queensland	Re: Are independants finished in politics?? Reply #35 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 10:07pm Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 10:04pm: they were never labour held seats .. they were nationals then went to the same member who was a independent now I knew I should have spelt it out slowly.
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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #36 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 10:16pm

qikvtec wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 10:07pm:

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 10:04pm:

they were never labour held seats .. they were nationals then went to the same member who was a independent now

I knew I should have spelt it out slowly.

the swing in those electorates was irrelevant they were never going to be won by any other member then that was the sitting member..

the libs cant take credit for credit for theses seats like they want to

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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #37 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 10:17pm

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 10:04pm:

they were never labour held seats .. they were nationals then went to the same member who was a independent now

So?? What difference does it make? The Indi's aren't members of the Coalition now are they. If they wanted a coalition government, they should have voted for one.

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Keep David Harris for Wyong. He gets things done.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51880 At my desk.	Re: Are independants finished in politics?? Reply #38 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 10:30pm All of these problems would be solved if we switched to voting by delgable proxy. No more confusion over who or what people are voting for.
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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #39 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 7:34am

It is obvious that Oakeshotte is not an Independent - simply a slippery fraudster wanting to feather his own nest. He knew that he would never be elected in Lyne if he had declared his true colours.

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Neutral? Rob Oakeshott 'asked Labor for state cabinet seat'

EXCLUSIVE: Imre Salusinszky, NSW political reporter From: The Australian September 10, 2010 12:00AM

ROB Oakeshott has previously sought positions in Labor cabinets, casting doubt on whether the independent MP was fully impartial as he considered the claims of Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott to form minority government.

The Australian has learned that Mr Oakeshott, then a state MP, approached former NSW premier Morris Iemma in 2007 and asked to join his ministry. He was emboldened by persistent rumours of a cabinet reshuffle and the fact that Mr Iemma had recently appointed another independent, Northern Tablelands MP Richard Torbay, as Speaker.

According to a senior Labor source, Mr Oakeshott told Mr Iemma he might resign from parliament if his request were not met, warning that his seat of Port Macquarie would probably revert to the Nationals.

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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #40 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 7:47am

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 10:04pm:

they were never labour held seats .. they were nationals then went to the same member who was a independent now

Actually the seat of Kennedy was historically a labor seat, only when Bob Katter senior went to the country party did it become non-labor and when he left it actually went back to labor until Bob Katter junior took the seat.

But I can comfortablly say, it is not a nominal labor seat today, when Bob jnr leaves, hopefully he has a son called Bob too, 'cause we don't like change up in these parts. Grin

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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #41 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:18am

Bigol 64 all seats were labor once if you use that analogy .. it hasn't been a labor seat for many years and this would apply to more then one seat in Australia based on history .. Bob Katter has been in since 1993 , he turn Indi in 2001 and is still currently serving .. how many elections do you want to go back ... Even before this his father held the seat for 24 years Hon. R.C. Katter Sr.

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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #42 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:27am

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:18am:

Bigol 64 all seats were labor once if you use that analogy .. it hasn't been a labor seat for many years and this would apply to more then one seat in Australia based on history .. Bob Katter has been in since 1993 , he turn Indi in 2001 and is still currently serving .. how many elections do you want to go back ... Even before this his father held the seat for 24 years Hon. R.C. Katter Sr.

Im well aware of the political to-ing fro-ing of politics in the seat of Kennedy, I have lived there most of my life, either in it or right beside it in Herbert.

When the katters were not sitting in the seat it was generally a labor seat not a national seat unless the Katters were in the national / country party.

It has been either a Katter electorate or a labor electorate and sometimes both.

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Binary Ninja Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 460	Re: Are independants finished in politics?? Reply #43 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:42am The point is how many elections / how far back before you can say it is a labour only seat or Independent only seat .. it has either been his or his fathers for 40 odd years ... so pretty safe to say it is a Katter seat .. you vote for the member not the party
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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #44 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 9:44am

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:42am:

The point is how many elections / how far back before you can say it is a labour only seat or Independent only seat .. it has either been his or his fathers for 40 odd years ... so pretty safe to say it is a Katter seat ..

you vote for the member not the party

I never said it was a labor only seat, I did say it was historically labor or nominally labor, when it was not in the hands of Bob snr or Bob jnr.

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