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laborfornever Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 345	Are independants finished in politics?? Sep 8^th, 2010 at 7:37pm Will be interesting to see how many of the current Independant members of parliament are returned in the up coming state elections. My feelings are that almost all of them will be wiped out, and then in turn at the federal level they and the greens will be extinct.
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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #1 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 7:38pm

laborfornever wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 7:37pm:

Will be interesting to see how many of the current Independant members of parliament are returned in the up coming state elections.

My feelings are that almost all of them will be wiped out, and then in turn at the federal level they and the greens will be extinct.

I think of more interest is the term 'independant' which in the vast majority of cases are anything BUT. they are usually UNALIGNED but not truly independant.

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Reply #2 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 8:18pm

I can almost guarantee the reverse will be true at the next federal election.. As it will only be a short matter of time before the national party members see it is better to be a Independent and what deals can be done at this level while not having to worry about party politics ..

They will switch camp like the 3 Amigos did and we will have more Independents running at each election .. the swing is not to any of the major parties it is towards the smaller ones ... would love to see Abbott's face when a few more of the coalition break ranks and become Indi's

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Reply #3 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 8:23pm

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 8:18pm:

I can almost guarantee the reverse will be true at the next federal election.. As it will only be a short matter of time before the national party members see it is better to be a Independent and what deals can be done at this level while not having to worry about party politics ..

They will switch camp like the 3 Amigos did and we will have more Independents running at each election .. the swing is not to any of the major parties it is towards the smaller ones ... would love to see Abbott's face when a few more of the coalition break ranks and become Indi's

which must make the fact that there was an INCREASE in the coalitions primary vote of 2.7% an 'inconvenient truth'

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Reply #4 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 8:26pm

laborfornever wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 7:37pm:

Will be interesting to see how many of the current Independant members of parliament are returned in the up coming state elections.

My feelings are that almost all of them will be wiped out, and then in turn at the federal level they and the greens will be extinct.

Indeed it will.

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Reply #5 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 8:49pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 8:23pm:

which must make the fact that there was an INCREASE in the coalitions primary vote of 2.7% an 'inconvenient truth'

the liberals actually lost seats since the last election about 11 of them .. so as said the national will wise up and realise it is better to be a Indi

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49981 At my desk.	Re: Are independants finished in politics?? Reply #6 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 1:17am I think it will make them more popular. Too many voters just assume it is about Labor or Liberal. Having four parties in the lower house will also help. It is getting so hard to tell the difference between Labor and Liberal that people are keen for something new.
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Reply #7 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 1:59am

This is the beginning of the end for both Labor and Liberal.
Both have been playing off each other for so long, they can't tell who is who these days.

I reckon 10 Independents next election and even more the following.
The Greens will just provide the 'issues' that are needed the most.
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Reply #8 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 11:02am

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 8:49pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 8:23pm:

which must make the fact that there was an INCREASE in the coalitions primary vote of 2.7% an 'inconvenient truth'

the liberals actually lost seats since the last election about 11 of them .. so as said the national will wise up and realise it is better to be a Indi

It appears on the surface that way, however, in Queensland the liberals and Nationals this year were a joint party and picked up 21 seats.

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vegitamite Ex Member	Re: Are independants finished in politics?? Reply #9 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 11:11am I think more ministers could go independant. May stop some of the blame game. After listening to MsGash cry out an hour after the election result that she can now NOT promise any of her election promises. seems like it could be used as an easy way out excuse.
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Reply #10 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 11:15am

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I think more ministers could go independant. May stop some of the blame game.

After listening to MsGash cry out an hour after the election result that she can now NOT promise any of her election promises. seems like it could be used as an easy way out excuse.

Veg, of course she can't honour her election promises, her party is NOT in government !!!!

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Reply #11 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 11:23am

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 1:17am:

I think it will make them more popular. Too many voters just assume it is about Labor or Liberal. Having four parties in the lower house will also help. It is getting so hard to tell the difference between Labor and Liberal that people are keen for something new.

I think (and hope) this is true. Not just independents but room for smaller parties. Very exciting time for western democracy hope we don't blow it.

I agree with what you say about Labor and Liberal.

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perceptions_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11694 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Are independants finished in politics?? Reply #12 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 11:28am Quote: Are independants finished in politics?? No!
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Re: Are independants finished in politics??
Reply #13 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 11:33am

Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 11:02am:

It appears on the surface that way, however, in Queensland the liberals and Nationals this year were a joint party and picked up 21 seats.

Even if the 11 were in the 21 seats for the LNP what number is liberal what number is national .. It is still the same party , same antics , just with a new name ... The line is still blurred

As a lot of people are saying the swing is towards the smaller parties , Indi's and Greens ... At or before the next election watch how many national party members make the switch to the Independent MP status now it is easier to bring in a private members bill, easier to negotiate with the party's.. The precedence has been set and i think the coalition will be the one to feel the impact

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Reply #14 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 1:26pm

The perception is that the independants sold their electorate out, True??

So these independants are not worth the ticket they run on, so why would you vote for an independant knowing full well he may become a turncoat and support who you despise??

So ppl will say I may as well vote for either libs or labs, why would you vote independant when they held us to ransom and then went against who most ppl supported in their electorates, ppl are stupid.

But 1 thing this election has done is high light the importance of voting and getting it right and not allowing 1-4 randoms to decide government.

I am sure that if these independants went with the libs when the count was equal you labor lot would be screaming blue murder.

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