while you still can - you're still 132 votes ahead! (in an incomplete count which won't be known for a while and which according to Wayne Swan this morning will prob go Labor)

The two party preferred count is 88.34% complete.
House of Representatives National Two Party Preferred Result

                                     Votes      Percentage %      Swing %
Australian Labor Party      5,859,538      50.00             -2.70
Liberal/National Coalition      5,859,670      50.00             +2.70

AEC Tally Room:
http://vtr.aec.gov.au/

2PP reality:
http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2010/08/who-won-the-national-2-party-preferr...

Julia is a stateswoman wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 5:55pm:


firstly, we are still AHEAD which whiel even ultra-close still means FIRST,

secondly we have the indisputable 500,000 lead on primary votes and

thirdly, we won more seats.

so we won on 3 out of 3 measures.

"We"?
I think you are taking the election far to personally longwood 
The only winners of this election are the Independents, the Greens, the Australian people and democracy 

adelcrow wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 6:12pm:


I don't quite agree but I get your point. I think a lot of people voted for both major parties enthusiastically. I did for Labor (as a 2nd pref). I am enjoying the hung parliament so far.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 6:37pm:


Please dont call democracy a winner unless you are reading from the Josef Stalin one-party version of democracy. When a party gets more votes and more seats and isnt in govt then it is many things, but certainly not a win for representative democracy. And it is hard to see how the australian people win by having their decision overruled by 2 people. IN practice probably little will change but from now on, every election wil be viewed with more cynicism and less relevance since choosing a govt is now no longer soley the peoples choice.

Abbott didn't get in , Abbott couldn't be honest enough when he had to negotiate so fudged some figures .. Abbott and his parties still don't have the decency to acknowledge that the Independents gave the nod to who they thought would be a better government overall yet he still whines about seats , 2PP system yet this is the system we have had for so many years...

Suck it up Princess

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 8:15pm:


It was Tony's lost $11 billion .. Julia found it but due ti GST , BAS and the GFC is was slightly reduced

secondly we have the indisputable 500,000 lead
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500,000 OR 700,000- ONLY provided you include the Nats but discount the Greens

From News Ltd, bitterly disappointed after its election loss:

' 1. 700,000 More Votes (provided you include the Nats but discount the Greens):

The overwhelming feeling in the Abbott office yesterday, where MPs and staff watched the press conferences that announced their fate, was disappointment after winning more seats and 700,000 more primary votes than Labor.
By my calculations from the current results (with 12% still to be counted), 5,349,531 people voted for the Liberals and the Nationals and the Liberal/Nationals. In contrast, 6,140,963 people voted for Labor and the Greens.
The Liberals appear to want to have it both ways: they’ll claim that they have more votes than Labor by including the Nationals, but – despite pretending that the ALP and Greens are in some kind of “coalition” – discount the Greens to make the 700,000 vote claim. Which is absurd, because the 1.4 million of us who voted Greens were very clear about not wanting Abbott in government.
If the Libs want to quote a figure that somewhat justifies their claim, it should be the 0.02% edge they currently have (less than two thousand votes in 12 million) on two-party preferred. But there’s a lot of counting to go.*
The 700,000 figure is so meaningless and stupid as to make me wince whenever they use it. And use it they are.'

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 10:07pm:


How many seats did labour win?  The coalition went to the Australian People in 1998 as a united party, what was their combined total seats won?

It's indisputable the ALP won the 2PP result at the time; I recall being livid at the time because I didn't vote for the Coalition.

Either of the 2 bigger parties would of needed the help of the Indi's to form government as neither had the majority on their own as very clear by begin a hung Parliament.. Using our current political system Labor didn't win , Coalition dint win not matter how bad at maths you are any of party's need the full 76 seats to win outright...

Abbott and his cronies quickly need to suck it up and realise the Independents are just that... The Libs are just upset because they thought them being ex nationals would support them to form government but clearly forgot why they left the national party in the first place to run as a Independent member..

If anything the coalitions previous antics with the ex nationals cost them the election by ostracizing these exact people they needed to form government... Why abuse , hang out to dry , bully people when they are in your party ...then when convenient try to say it is okay lets get back in bed together it is all forgotten...

Darwin wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 12:32am:


Exactly.

Labor has been ahead in the ongoing 2PP vote count since about 6pm yesterday.

was on Lateline after this, saying "we have more votes and more preferences that the govt"

I assume he meant 2PP since he talked about votes and prefs as 2 different things...

I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that he hadn't seen the updated figures, except that the Coalition has been consistently lying about this for about a week knowing the 2PP vote was too close to call and that the live tally is (was?) temporarily excluding 8 seats likely to favour Labor.


What kind of a party lies about getting a majority of votes? One that thinks of their voters as useful idiots...

There are probably millions of Aussies who take their word for it, and they know a lot of these will never hear the update or put the seat and primary vote counts into context.

As for the people on this forum who are informed but still repeat the lies...

Lying queen more like.

What a great bloody sook this preferential issue has become. It has existed for yonks and it is a far preferable than not having it otherwise there would never be an opportunity to have any decent government.

Problem for the Libs is that more people DIDN'T want them as a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc etc choice. I had them dead last on both ballot papers...they are the main reason I mark every box.

Katter lives out in the sticks of QLD .. I actually live in his electorate and voted for Rudd like the majority of people here did because he has done a lot in the 20 years for my electorate .. QLD were upset out how it happened..

In reality you actually should vote for your Member of Parliament based what they can do for you not based on the party or who your parents , grandparents voted for ....

The Independents know this hence why they split from the national party and why we will see more Independents at the next election..

People want action from their members and the current nationals will see what deals the Indi's get now and will make the switch to that or the party will run separate from the Liberals preferencing the Indi's

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nichy wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 11:12am:

^This doesn't mention pork but it's a good summary.

I started a new thread on Katter. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283999015