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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Posts: 7062 Gender:	Re: Ombudsman finds Domestic Violence campaign Mislead Reply #15 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 1:36pm Squishing someone isn't beating them to death.
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aussiefree2ride Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3538	Re: Ombudsman finds Domestic Violence campaign Mislead Reply #16 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 1:41pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 1:29pm: I wonder how many men have been beaten to death by their female partners. The point being? Are you saying violence by women on men is OK ? Can you see how this attitude STARTS real domestic violence?
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Ombudsman finds Domestic Violence campaign Mislead Reply #17 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 1:48pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 1:36pm: Squishing someone isn't beating them to death. No, well drugging someones food and then shooting them twice in the head while they're asleep isn't beating them to death either.....
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Reply #18 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 1:52pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 1:41pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 1:29pm:

I wonder how many men have been beaten to death by their female partners.

The point being?
Are you saying violence by women on men is OK ?
Can you see how this attitude STARTS real domestic violence?

No, aussie it doesn't.......but accepting that it happens to both women and men is a necessary first step to reducing ALL domestic violence.

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Reply #19 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 2:03pm

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Are you saying violence by women on men is OK ?

Don't be ridiculous.

I'm saying that violence perpetrated by women rarely has the same extreme consequences as acts of violence committed by men. Does that make it okay? No.

This isn't an issue of equality between the sexes, it's an issue of safety.

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Reply #20 - Sep 8^th, 2010 at 7:42pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 8^th, 2010 at 2:03pm:

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Are you saying violence by women on men is OK ?

Don't be ridiculous.

I'm saying that violence perpetrated by women rarely has the same extreme consequences as acts of violence committed by men. Does that make it okay? No.

This isn't an issue of equality between the sexes, it's an issue of safety.

Apart from the silliess of a double standard, it is obvious that if we hit anyone, we can expect retaliation,eventually. Telling women that it`s OK to hit men is inflaming the situation. There is an limit to the amount of abuse anyone will take before they retaliate, everyone has their limit, why push to find it?

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53184 At my desk.	Re: Ombudsman finds Domestic Violence campaign Mislead Reply #21 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 1:10am Quote: the data shows that overall, at least one in three victims are male But the perpetrator is still a male? Next time you blokes are getting a manicure together you should have D&M about this issue. You will feel better for having talked it through.
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Reply #22 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:22am

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 1:10am:

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the data shows that overall, at least one in three victims are male

But the perpetrator is still a male?

Next time you blokes are getting a manicure together you should have D&M about this issue. You will feel better for having talked it through.

It looks like someone is a bit truth adverse here. If having a little tanty makes you feel better, that`s nice, but it isn`t helping to solve any problems.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10300 Gender:	Re: Ombudsman finds Domestic Violence campaign Mislead Reply #23 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:44am I am glad there is a step being taken to look at this issue from a non-gender specific angle. Some women are violent in relationships.
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Reply #24 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 1:34pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 8:44am:

I am glad there is a step being taken to look at this issue from a non-gender specific angle. Some women are violent in relationships.

Agreed, also there are more ways than violence, to hurt a person.
The only way to deal with a problem is to face it honestly.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53184 At my desk.	Re: Ombudsman finds Domestic Violence campaign Mislead Reply #25 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 2:10pm So rather than vague generalisations, why don't you guys start with the truth? What percentage of domestic violence is perpetrated by males?
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Reply #26 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 2:14pm

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 2:10pm:

So rather than vague generalisations, why don't you guys start with the truth? What percentage of domestic violence is perpetrated by males?

You'd have to define domestic violence. As I've said, or meant to say, calling someone a name is enough to be classified as domestic violence, so as to beef up the figures for maximum outrage. Withholding money so your wife can't gte her weekly pedicure is classed as financial abuse. Honesty in defining abuse would be a welcome start.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53184 At my desk.	Re: Ombudsman finds Domestic Violence campaign Mislead Reply #27 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 2:17pm So for all this insisting that we face the truth, none of you know what it actually is?
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Reply #28 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 4:32pm

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 2:17pm:

So for all this insisting that we face the truth, none of you know what it actually is?

How could we? We've been fed bullshit for so long....but this, although being a 'mens rights' website, does offer some interesting stats (which I tried to cut and paste but it just doesn't format right)

http://www.mensrights.com.au/page13y.htm

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Reply #29 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 4:37pm

So what does it say about the percentage of domestic violence perpetrated by men?

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How could we? We've been fed bullshit for so long

No we haven't. I am struggling to find even a single false claim that we have been fed, or any claim at all, or any counterclaim. All I see is complaining about a bit of imagery.

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