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Bob Carr Man of Vision?
Sep 6^th, 2010 at 2:23pm

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Gillard urged to appoint Malcolm Turnbull to Cabinet
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September 6, 2010 - 2:05PM

Former NSW Premier Bob Carr has suggested Prime Minister Julia Gillard recruit Malcolm Turnbull as a key Cabinet minister in a future minority Labor government.

As the nation enters its third week of waiting for an outcome to the August 21 poll, Mr Carr - NSW's longest serving premier - today posed a number of solutions to end the deadlock,

including bringing Mr Turnbull, a former Coalition leader, on to the Labor front bench.

In his blog, Thoughtlines, Mr Carr said Ms Gillard should also consider appointing as a minister for regional development either Tony Windsor or Rob Oakeshott, two of three independents whose vote is crucial to forming government.

"Here's a solution," Mr Carr started. "Make Oakeshott or Windsor Minister for Regional Development and recruit a Coalition MP as Speaker.

"Offer Malcolm Turnbull a post in cabinet.

"After all, he's roiling with ambition and (Opposition Leader Tony) Abbott's grip on the leadership is now firm. Why not round out a political career with three years in a Gillard cabinet?"

Mr Carr's former chief of staff, Bruce Hawker - now a Labor consultant with the firm Hawker Britten - is a relation of Mr Windsor and has been assisting all of the independents, including Mr Katter, in reaching a decision.

In the days after the election, when it became clear a hung parliament was likely, Mr Oakeshott spoke optimistically about a rainbow parliament - where members from either side of politics would serve as ministers in a unity administration.

Last week, it emerged Labor had also approached a number of Liberal MPs, including Peter Slipper, to consider a position as speaker in the House of Representatives.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/gillard-urged-to-appoint-malcolm-turnbull...

Good thoughts there Bob Wink

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Bob Carr Man of Vision? Reply #1 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 2:58pm Hmmnnn...interesting...especially since: - The Independents have already proposed that the LibLabs consider that the Speaker should be from the Govt and the Deputy Speaker drawn form the Opposition... Oh, and Kevin Rudd has been in talks with the Independents too...
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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Bob Carr Man of Vision? Reply #2 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 3:31pm I dont think it would be right for a member who has been voted in, to change sides after an election is a dog act. If you had no intention of representing a side, you should have switched or ran as an independent and let the people at the ballot either back you or not.
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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Bob Carr Man of Vision? Reply #3 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 3:33pm Bob Carr has no credibility with this lefty - and this proposal of his shows yet again how out of touch the man is.
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Reply #4 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 3:41pm

Verge wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 3:31pm:

I dont think it would be right for a member who has been voted in, to change sides after an election is a dog act.

If you had no intention of representing a side, you should have switched or ran as an independent and let the people at the ballot either back you or not.

It doesn't say he has to leave the liberals or that he has to vote with Labor, it just suggests putting a very competent man into a job, finance or Treasury spring to mind, bugger me wouldn't that cause some fun Grin

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Reply #5 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 3:44pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 3:41pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 3:31pm:

I dont think it would be right for a member who has been voted in, to change sides after an election is a dog act.

If you had no intention of representing a side, you should have switched or ran as an independent and let the people at the ballot either back you or not.

It doesn't say he has to leave the liberals or that he has to vote with Labor, it just suggests putting a very competent man into a job, finance or Treasury spring to mind, bugger me wouldn't that cause some fun Grin

Yeah right. I dont see Labor putting a Liberal in the ministry and not expect their vote.

Considering how much extra the pay is for being a minister, Im sure they will be expecting something for their dollar.

How happy would a fellow Labor person be knowing that a position one of them wanted is occupied by someone who doesnt even support the team?

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Reply #6 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 4:03pm

Verge wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 3:31pm:

I dont think it would be right for a member who has been voted in, to change sides after an election is a dog act.

If you had no intention of representing a side, you should have switched or ran as an independent and let the people at the ballot either back you or not.

I've always suspected that Howard brought Turnbull into the Libs to silence him over the republic debate...

He was shafted as leader - in what I regard as an even more despicable way than Rudd was - and continues to be shunned by right whingers...

As I've suggested previously, his decision to re-contest Wentworth (after signalling his retirement) may have been made on the basis of some sort of pact with other moderate Libs - including Hockey...

I doubt that any of them really expected Abbott to come close to winning the 2010 election - and that those moderates intended to either stage another leadership spill and/or break away from the religious righteous nutjobs altogether...

That opportunity may come sooner rather than later...

Meantime, I could see old friends Rudd and Hockey as making an 'interesting' team as Speaker and Deputy Speaker or vice versa...

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nichy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1812 Gender:	Re: Bob Carr Man of Vision? Reply #7 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 4:07pm Bob Carr Man of Vision ? I'm glad there is a question mark - For anyone living in the State of NSW and experiencing the fallout from Carr's " vision " as Premier, the answer is most definitely NOT.
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Reply #8 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 4:31pm

nichy wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 4:07pm:

Bob Carr Man of Vision ?

I'm glad there is a question mark - For anyone living in the State of NSW and experiencing the fallout from Carr's " vision " as Premier, the answer is most definitely NOT.

He was shafted as leader - in what I regard as an even more despicable way than Rudd was - and continues to be shunned by right whingers

Straw clutching again THY

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Re: Bob Carr Man of Vision?
Reply #9 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 4:38pm

nichy wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 4:07pm:

Bob Carr Man of Vision ?

I'm glad there is a question mark - For anyone living in the State of NSW and experiencing the fallout from Carr's " vision " as Premier, the answer is most definitely NOT.

Exaclty, his rein of terror was disgusting.

I know where he can put his vision, right along side Mark Lathams, both up their own backsides.

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Reply #10 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 4:48pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 4:03pm:

Verge wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 3:31pm:

I dont think it would be right for a member who has been voted in, to change sides after an election is a dog act.

If you had no intention of representing a side, you should have switched or ran as an independent and let the people at the ballot either back you or not.

I've always suspected that Howard brought Turnbull into the Libs to silence him over the republic debate...

He was shafted as leader - in what I regard as an even more despicable way than Rudd was - and continues to be shunned by right whingers...

As I've suggested previously, his decision to re-contest Wentworth (after signalling his retirement) may have been made on the basis of some sort of pact with other moderate Libs - including Hockey...

I doubt that any of them really expected Abbott to come close to winning the 2010 election - and that those moderates intended to either stage another leadership spill and/or break away from the religious righteous nutjobs altogether...

That opportunity may come sooner rather than later...

Meantime, I could see old friends Rudd and Hockey as making an 'interesting' team as Speaker and Deputy Speaker or vice versa...

You have become delusional. Turnbull was publically challanged by Abbott over policy.

Rudd was knifed after being publically backed by Gillard and Swan, and for what, "we lost our way". What a joke.

If you think Turnbull was treated worse than Rudd I think it is you with the mental health issues.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Bob Carr Man of Vision? Reply #12 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 5:59pm It was Andrew Robb and Wilson Tuckey who shafted Malcolm Turnbull over policy. Tony Abbott was just the patsy recruited to their far right cause because Robb and Tuckey are expert and longtime backstabbers but to gutless to stand as leaders themselves..of course its to late for Tuckey
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Reply #13 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 9:23pm

Turncoats a republican, it's clear for all to see why Labor would be considering appointing Richy Rich to their administration.

Roll Eyes

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Ps..this was Cars subtle way of saying noone in the current ALP is up for the job, without the assistance from the coalition. Sarcasm intended.

... But I guess you already knew this, yes?

He's been subtly niggling away at her for weeks now, as have a few other disgruntled ALP ex-MP's. Cant blame them really.... she's just that kinda gal you want to wine, dine then stuff into a suitcase and throw into the river.
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