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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Is Pauline Hanson really racist? Reply #90 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 6:07pm Islamic school or not, in Australia a principal cannot discriminate against a child just because they have same gender parents, the school and the principal can and would be sued into oblivion..its a non issue
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Re: Is Pauline Hanson really racist?
Reply #91 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 6:07pm

mellie wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 5:39pm:

Ok....another subjective term...'Bigot'...now, say I was opposed to same-sexed adoptions, this and was not prepared to shift my views on this matter, would this mean I were a bigot?

Now how about Muslims, who believe non-believers,Christians, Jews etc are infidels, on account of their not being of the Islamic faith are they not bigots also?

Why is it freedom of expression is very heavily dependent on whether or not you form part of a 'declared' minority group, when upholding ones own civil liberties? Yet when it comes to non-declared minorities wishing to uphold our own core values and beliefs, we are what suddenly bigots?

How would an Islamic school principle feel about enrolling a homosexual couples child at their school?

How would they feel about enrolling a few dozen?

We all have our values, convictions and beliefs, it's just we don't all scream discrimination as soon as someone dares to adhere to theirs.

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Each to their own I say!

"Ok....another subjective term...'Bigot'...now, say I was opposed to same-sexed adoptions, this and was not prepared to shift my views on this matter, would this mean I were a bigot?"

Well yes it would....

Calling someone an Infidel doesn't make you a bigot.....because 'Infidel' simply means non-believer.....it can be applied to anyone not of YOUR religion...

Hating someone for simply being an Infidel.....yes that can make you a bigot..

Bigot basically means an unreasoning, or unjustified hatred of someone , just for being different to you....

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Re: Is Pauline Hanson really racist?
Reply #92 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 6:13pm

adelcrow wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 6:07pm:

Islamic school or not, in Australia a principal cannot discriminate against a child just because they have same gender parents, the school and the principal can and would be sued into oblivion..its a non issue

So, what you are essentially saying is that irrespective of entrenched socio-cultural differences and values within any given community, it's far better to legislate tolerance (force the issue), than to allow society to determine their own socio-cultural outcomes/norms for themselves?

Isn't this communism?

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Re: Is Pauline Hanson really racist?
Reply #93 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 6:19pm

mellie wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 6:13pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 6:07pm:

Islamic school or not, in Australia a principal cannot discriminate against a child just because they have same gender parents, the school and the principal can and would be sued into oblivion..its a non issue

So, what you are essentially saying is that irrespective of entrenched socio-cultural differences and values within any given community, it's far better to legislate tolerance (force the issue), than to allow society to determine their own socio-cultural outcomes/norms for themselves?

Isn't this communism?

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It is certainly totalitarianism, the extent of which would make Hitler proud. Thoughtcrime isn't just confined to works of literature anymore, it's a reality.

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Reply #94 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 6:29pm

We all have the right to sue if we are discriminated against..its been that way for a very long time in a free society like ours.
I may suggest though that a same sex couple would probably have fairly open and fair attitudes towards life and would more than likely avoid a fundamentalist Islamic, Jewish or Christian school that would discriminate against their children

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Reply #95 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 6:30pm

... wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 6:19pm:

mellie wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 6:13pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 6:07pm:

Islamic school or not, in Australia a principal cannot discriminate against a child just because they have same gender parents, the school and the principal can and would be sued into oblivion..its a non issue

So, what you are essentially saying is that irrespective of entrenched socio-cultural differences and values within any given community, it's far better to legislate tolerance (force the issue), than to allow society to determine their own socio-cultural outcomes/norms for themselves?

Isn't this communism?

Cool

It is certainly totalitarianism, the extent of which would make Hitler proud. Thoughtcrime isn't just confined to works of literature anymore, it's a reality.

Thanks for that Wesley, I just needed a pinch.

... And right you are!

re- totalitarianism.

Social engineering for capitalist gain at it's best, irrespective of the undesirable social outcomes/accidents on those who stand to suffer most.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Is Pauline Hanson really racist? Reply #96 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 6:46pm In a totalitarianism communist or fascist regime anyone who doesn't conform to the perceived norm is simply taken away and shot or fed to the crocodiles In a free, democratic and secular society like ours we are encouraged to fight for our rights, thus the right to sue against discrimination
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Jaykaye_09 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 583 Gender:	Re: Is Pauline Hanson really racist? Reply #97 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 7:04pm No doubt Hanson makes generalisations based on race and culture which are entirely untrue, however, it's honestly hard to see genuine racism through the epic amount of stupid she emanates. Just a thick, thick woman.
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Reply #98 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 7:10pm

culldav wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 5:16pm:

It seems to me the people making these comments are being bigots themselves towards Pauline by not allowing her the choice as to who she sells her home too, when under the Australian Constitution she has that legal right.

No.

Nobody is disallowing her the choice as to who she sells her home to - we're simply calling her out for being rather thick, based on her reasoning for not selling her house to a Muslim.

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Re: Is Pauline Hanson really racist?
Reply #99 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 7:26pm

adelcrow wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 6:46pm:

In a totalitarianism communist or fascist regime anyone who doesn't conform to the perceived norm is simply taken away and shot or fed to the crocodiles

In a free, democratic and secular society like ours we are encouraged to fight for our rights, thus the right to sue against discrimination

You have not a clue.

What you describe is the very extreme of communism and fascism, it's the underpinning totalitarian regime which is already making itself felt here in Australia, when clearly we have governments blatantly ignoring the wishes of their people, as may be demonstrated by our government, and it's 'said-Independents' even contemplating voting against the wishes of their own electorates.

Tell me, what right does a government have placing legislation with respects to gay adoption on the agenda, much less passing it quietly whilst the very future of their own government is yet to be determined?

What right does our government have to commit treason and alter the very fabric of our constitution rendering their citizens rights void, without so much as a referendum in what's supposed to be a democracy?

And what right does a government have mass-immigrating, irrespective of a majority of it's people already having made their position felt re- their ongoing concerns for our nations capacity to be able to sustain itself, under the guise of humanitarianism?

Labor are a sh1tstain on the nappy of democracy,and it's time they left the building.

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Re: Is Pauline Hanson really racist?
Reply #100 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 7:29pm

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 7:10pm:

culldav wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 5:16pm:

It seems to me the people making these comments are being bigots themselves towards Pauline by not allowing her the choice as to who she sells her home too, when under the Australian Constitution she has that legal right.

No.

Nobody is disallowing her the choice as to who she sells her home to - we're simply calling her out for being rather thick, based on her reasoning for not selling her house to a Muslim.

and there's the rub.

The bigot says "I won't sell my house to a Muslim".

By saying this, they are showing their bigotry. That is, by making a blanket statement like this, one has decided that Muslims are somehow undesirable as a group without allowing for the possibility that the next people to come and view the house might be a nice young Muslim couple looking to start a family.

The religion of the person in question is all that matters to the bigot in this particular instance.

It's similar to saying that you wouldn't sell your house to Blacks or Jews or Indians or Caucasians. The only reason you can possibly have for this is prefaced on the one characteristic you have singled out, as opposed to background, education, content of character etc.

It's not rocket science.

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Reply #101 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 7:32pm

mellie wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 7:26pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 6:46pm:

In a totalitarianism communist or fascist regime anyone who doesn't conform to the perceived norm is simply taken away and shot or fed to the crocodiles

In a free, democratic and secular society like ours we are encouraged to fight for our rights, thus the right to sue against discrimination

You have not a clue.

What you describe is the very extreme of communism and fascism, it's the underpinning totalitarian regime which is already making itself felt here in Australia, when clearly we have governments blatantly ignoring the wishes of their people, as may be demonstrated by our government, and it's 'said-Independents' even contemplating voting against the wishes of their own electorates.

Tell me, what right does a government have placing legislation with respects to gay adoption on the agenda, much less passing it quietly whilst the very future of their own government is yet to be determined?

What right does our government have to commit treason and alter the very fabric of our constitution rendering their citizens rights void, without so much as a referendum in what's supposed to be a democracy?

And what right does a government have mass-immigrating, irrespective of a majority of it's people already having made their position felt re- their ongoing concerns for our nations capacity to be able to sustain itself, under the guise of humanitarianism?

Labor are a sh1tstain on the nappy of democracy,and it's time they left the building.

We have had an election, and the overwhelming majority voted in favour of a Liberal government.

Are they saying our votes simply did not count this election...

when it's us who pays them to run our country?

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mikeyy New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8	Re: Is Pauline Hanson really racist? Reply #102 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 7:38pm I don't know who she is but I will guess. Yes she is.
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Reply #103 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 7:39pm

mellie wrote on Sep 6^th, 2010 at 7:32pm:

We have had an election, and the overwhelming majority voted in favour of a Liberal government.

Are they saying our votes simply did not count this election...

when it's us who pays them to run our country? [/quote]

Actually. If the votes of the majority counted, John Howard would have been a one-termer.

Judging from your most recent diatribes, I don't think you would have liked that.

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Luke Fowler Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 320 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is Pauline Hanson really racist? Reply #104 - Sep 6^th, 2010 at 7:42pm Oh and excuse me if i haven't got the whole replying/quoting thing down yet.
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Question: Is Pauline Hanson really a racist?
Yes 11 (35.5%) No 14 (45.2%) Unsure 6 (19.4%) Total votes: 31 « Created by: mellie on: Sep 6^th, 2010 at 10:48am »