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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: Which policies will not get off the ground?? Reply #15 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:45pm I've got a feeling many of the Yahoo members tell a lot of lies about themselves.
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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Which policies will not get off the ground?? Reply #16 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:46pm Well now. It does certainly seem that workchoices (No choices) really will be dead after all, does it not?. I will put some flowers on the grave.
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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Which policies will not get off the ground?? Reply #17 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:47pm aikmann4 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:45pm: I've got a feeling many of the Yahoo members tell a lot of lies about themselves. Some may, but who are their fantasies hurting?
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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: Which policies will not get off the ground?? Reply #18 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:49pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:47pm: aikmann4 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:45pm: I've got a feeling many of the Yahoo members tell a lot of lies about themselves. Some may, but who are their fantasies hurting? This forum's quality of posts
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Re: Which policies will not get off the ground??
Reply #19 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:53pm

aikmann4 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:49pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:47pm:

aikmann4 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:45pm:

I've got a feeling many of the Yahoo members tell a lot of lies about themselves.

Some may, but who are their fantasies hurting?

This forum's quality of posts Tongue

I can see your point, yahoo due to its large membership ran almost like a IM, where as this board was more along the lines of well thought longer in depth posts, but as with everything it has changed now, I suppose seeing you got most of yahoo here now a blessing and a curse.
I can understand your melancholy

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Reply #20 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:54pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 6:40pm:

If the first Government to see its majority wiped out after one term in over 75 years decides to go on and try and govern - it will be an insult to us all.

Losing a majority after just one term simply shows you are not good enough.

That's not happened in our lifetime before!!

Shows us just how bad they were!!!

Actually it really shows what total flippin cretins people can be.
The last government to get booted after one term was in 1929.
Any idea what happened in 1929?
Yes, the GFC of the olden days, but this time around we were lucky we had a government that made the right calls, at the right times and protected us, and imbeciles from the right harp on about debt like wind up dolls without an original thought ever passing between their ears.

I realise you are not a very nice person Andrei, having watched you take great personal pride in your callous selfishness, but I now see you apply that same pride to your lack of comprehension of anything other than silly Liberal sloganeering that you hear, and then parrot.

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Reply #21 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 8:55pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:13pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:09pm:

Your argument about paying more tax does not gel, remember we have a proportional tax regime so whilst those on lower incomes pay less dollars the percentage of income is roughly the same.

But that's not remotely the case.
Back when I was an Australian PAYE worker, my entire bonus and a large portion of my salary was taxed at over 40%.

Lower income workers do not see a single dollar of their salary taxed at that amount.

on yahoo Andei you said that you got paid through you company in The Channel Island, so you would never be an Australia PAYE.

You also said that you have a blue with the Australia Tax Office. Was that because you weren't paying tax in Australia on your income?

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Reply #22 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 7:30am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 6:40pm:

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Which policies will not get off the ground??
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Abbotts Full Pay maternity Leave.

And you would not want to see mother's get a chance to have a family and take a break from work to look after their new borns??

Shameful.

Just like you don't like your taxes going to the unemployed, I don't like my taxes going to parental leave. You shouldn't have to be paid to take care of your baby, just do it, women have been ever since they joined the workforce.

couldnt agree more pansi.. and we never do that.. the younger generation just seems to whinge and they get help.. its welfare no matter which way you try to look at it... sorry to all those that think paid maternity leave is a given.. but thousands did it without any hand out whats so tough about life today... during the war it must have been hell but they did it without a sc ap of help and no whinging..seems to me the more this generation get the more they want.. lets not forget the freebee computers they are all sweating on.and voted for..next it will be. well you encouraged us to have the children.. now we want the free childcare.

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Reply #23 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 7:47am

codswal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2010 at 7:30am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 6:40pm:

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Which policies will not get off the ground??
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Abbotts Full Pay maternity Leave.

And you would not want to see mother's get a chance to have a family and take a break from work to look after their new borns??

Shameful.

Just like you don't like your taxes going to the unemployed, I don't like my taxes going to parental leave. You shouldn't have to be paid to take care of your baby, just do it, women have been ever since they joined the workforce.

couldnt agree more pansi.. and we never do that.. the younger generation just seems to whinge and they get help.. its welfare no matter which way you try to look at it... sorry to all those that think paid maternity leave is a given.. but thousands did it without any hand out whats so tough about life today... during the war it must have been hell but they did it without a sc ap of help and no whinging..seems to me the more this generation get the more they want.. lets not forget the freebee computers they are all sweating on.and voted for..next it will be. well you encouraged us to have the children.. now we want the free childcare.

Hi cods......there is far too much money wasted on wealthfare, given to people who can really do without it. The baby bonus for instance, I would give to people on $30,000 and less. Childcare rebates is another, I think it should be for single parents only. I'd look into taxi vouchers too, every man and his dog (do they let dogs in taxi's?) is running around the countryside using govt. supplied vouchers. Kids get dropped off and picked up from high school by taxi, that's absurd.

There should be more for the destitute, and less for the people who can do ok without the handout.

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Reply #24 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 7:59am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 5^th, 2010 at 7:47am:

codswal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2010 at 7:30am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 6:40pm:

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Which policies will not get off the ground??
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Abbotts Full Pay maternity Leave.

And you would not want to see mother's get a chance to have a family and take a break from work to look after their new borns??

Shameful.

Just like you don't like your taxes going to the unemployed, I don't like my taxes going to parental leave. You shouldn't have to be paid to take care of your baby, just do it, women have been ever since they joined the workforce.

couldnt agree more pansi.. and we never do that.. the younger generation just seems to whinge and they get help.. its welfare no matter which way you try to look at it... sorry to all those that think paid maternity leave is a given.. but thousands did it without any hand out whats so tough about life today... during the war it must have been hell but they did it without a sc ap of help and no whinging..seems to me the more this generation get the more they want.. lets not forget the freebee computers they are all sweating on.and voted for..next it will be. well you encouraged us to have the children.. now we want the free childcare.

Hi cods......there is far too much money wasted on wealthfare, given to people who can really do without it. The baby bonus for instance, I would give to people on $30,000 and less. Childcare rebates is another, I think it should be for single parents only. I'd look into taxi vouchers too, every man and his dog (do they let dogs in taxi's?) is running around the countryside using govt. supplied vouchers. Kids get dropped off and picked up from high school by taxi, that's absurd.

There should be more for the destitute, and less for the people who can do ok without the handout.

Abbott says parental leave is a benefit of employment, so it should relate to income. I say, if it's a benefit of employment, the employer should pay. Not the taxpayer.

If the government is paying more to the rich, then they're essentially saying the children of the rich are worth more. Is that Australian?

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Reply #25 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 8:14am

John S wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 8:55pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:13pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:09pm:

Your argument about paying more tax does not gel, remember we have a proportional tax regime so whilst those on lower incomes pay less dollars the percentage of income is roughly the same.

But that's not remotely the case.
Back when I was an Australian PAYE worker, my entire bonus and a large portion of my salary was taxed at over 40%.

Lower income workers do not see a single dollar of their salary taxed at that amount.

on yahoo Andei you said that you got paid through you company in The Channel Island, so you would never be an Australia PAYE.

You also said that you have a blue with the Australia Tax Office. Was that because you weren't paying tax in Australia on your income?

Oh, dear! The source of income and place of payment are irrelevant. All Australian residents are subject to Australian income tax. Australian citizens who are not residents are subject to the taxation regime in their country of residence.

Some people try to pretend that they are not resident in any country. That is regarded as fraud. Paul Hogan is said to have discovered that the hard way.

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Re: Which policies will not get off the ground??
Reply #26 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 8:18am

# wrote on Sep 5^th, 2010 at 7:59am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 5^th, 2010 at 7:47am:

codswal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2010 at 7:30am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 6:40pm:

Quote:

Which policies will not get off the ground??
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Abbotts Full Pay maternity Leave.

And you would not want to see mother's get a chance to have a family and take a break from work to look after their new borns??

Shameful.

Just like you don't like your taxes going to the unemployed, I don't like my taxes going to parental leave. You shouldn't have to be paid to take care of your baby, just do it, women have been ever since they joined the workforce.

couldnt agree more pansi.. and we never do that.. the younger generation just seems to whinge and they get help.. its welfare no matter which way you try to look at it... sorry to all those that think paid maternity leave is a given.. but thousands did it without any hand out whats so tough about life today... during the war it must have been hell but they did it without a sc ap of help and no whinging..seems to me the more this generation get the more they want.. lets not forget the freebee computers they are all sweating on.and voted for..next it will be. well you encouraged us to have the children.. now we want the free childcare.

Hi cods......there is far too much money wasted on wealthfare, given to people who can really do without it. The baby bonus for instance, I would give to people on $30,000 and less. Childcare rebates is another, I think it should be for single parents only. I'd look into taxi vouchers too, every man and his dog (do they let dogs in taxi's?) is running around the countryside using govt. supplied vouchers. Kids get dropped off and picked up from high school by taxi, that's absurd.

There should be more for the destitute, and less for the people who can do ok without the handout.

Abbott says parental leave is a benefit of employment, so it should relate to income. I say, if it's a benefit of employment, the employer should pay. Not the taxpayer.

If the government is paying more to the rich, then they're essentially saying the children of the rich are worth more. Is that Australian?

The point is, do you have a limit of how much you want to handicap the hardest workers, and the best qualified people? Or do you want to drag the rewards for effort down to the point where a garbage collector is the pinacle of Australian achievement? Or do you want to suck the blood out of employers to the (not too distant) point where it`s inviable to opperate in Australia?

Is there an end to the greed of the laziest?

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Reply #27 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 8:25am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:18pm:

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Incidentally when I was made redundant in 2009, I had a three month period before I started my new role.
I asked about dole payments and was told I had too large a payout to be allowed anything from the Government.
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To be eligible for the dole, one must be seeking employment. You already had a job which, as you say, would start three months later. You were not, therefore, seeking employment. In essence, your aspiration was to dole-bludge between jobs.

You also had, as you say, a large payout. Trying to claim the dole when you have plenty of resources doubles the bludge.

Andrei Hicks: dole bludger to the max! Grin

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Reply #28 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 8:27am

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 5^th, 2010 at 8:18am:

# wrote on Sep 5^th, 2010 at 7:59am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 5^th, 2010 at 7:47am:

codswal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2010 at 7:30am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2010 at 6:40pm:

Quote:

Which policies will not get off the ground??
===================================

Abbotts Full Pay maternity Leave.

And you would not want to see mother's get a chance to have a family and take a break from work to look after their new borns??

Shameful.

Just like you don't like your taxes going to the unemployed, I don't like my taxes going to parental leave. You shouldn't have to be paid to take care of your baby, just do it, women have been ever since they joined the workforce.

couldnt agree more pansi.. and we never do that.. the younger generation just seems to whinge and they get help.. its welfare no matter which way you try to look at it... sorry to all those that think paid maternity leave is a given.. but thousands did it without any hand out whats so tough about life today... during the war it must have been hell but they did it without a sc ap of help and no whinging..seems to me the more this generation get the more they want.. lets not forget the freebee computers they are all sweating on.and voted for..next it will be. well you encouraged us to have the children.. now we want the free childcare.

Hi cods......there is far too much money wasted on wealthfare, given to people who can really do without it. The baby bonus for instance, I would give to people on $30,000 and less. Childcare rebates is another, I think it should be for single parents only. I'd look into taxi vouchers too, every man and his dog (do they let dogs in taxi's?) is running around the countryside using govt. supplied vouchers. Kids get dropped off and picked up from high school by taxi, that's absurd.

There should be more for the destitute, and less for the people who can do ok without the handout.

Abbott says parental leave is a benefit of employment, so it should relate to income. I say, if it's a benefit of employment, the employer should pay. Not the taxpayer.

If the government is paying more to the rich, then they're essentially saying the children of the rich are worth more. Is that Australian?

The point is, do you have a limit of how much you want to handicap the hardest workers, and the best qualified people? Or do you want to drag the rewards for effort down to the point where a garbage collector is the pinacle of Australian achievement? Or do you want to suck the blood out of employers to the (not too distant) point where it`s inviable to opperate in Australia?

Is there an end to the greed of the laziest?

I guess there's no curing John Howard's middle-class welfare bludgers.

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Reply #29 - Sep 5^th, 2010 at 8:28am

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The point is, do you have a limit of how much you want to handicap the hardest workers, and the best qualified people? Or do you want to drag the rewards for effort down to the point where a garbage collector is the pinacle of Australian achievement? Or do you want to suck the blood out of employers to the (not too distant) point where it`s inviable to opperate in Australia?

Is there an end to the greed of the laziest?

Do you really believe blue collar workers or the unskilled are lazy? Sometimes that is the only option for them depending on their upbringing and education standards.

Shop assistants, cashiers and the like are on their feet for 8 hours a day and if you've bothered to shop at your local supermarket - you can see how physically hard this is - not to mention monotonous. These are the women who will have to return to work after having a child because they don't have a financial choice.

Those on a high income return to work because they usually want to - but they have a choice. $75,000 tax free often means they can afford to take more time off than someone who receives only $20,000.

Welfare in this country has become ridiculous and out of control. As some of the others have stated before - it should only be for the most needy - not the most greedy.

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