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Which policies will not get off the ground??
Sep 4th, 2010 at 6:33pm
 
Looks like we'll have another term of the labor governmnet running the show.

So of their major policy announcements which ones do you think will never get going.

We have

Sydney train link
Brisbane train link
NBN
Water buyback

Will they budget be in surplus in 2013
Will the mining tax increase?
how much will the carbon tax be?
will an East Timorese processing centre be built?
Will we have a 30% fishing no go zones
Will the pokie limits be introduced

What major promises have been made do you think will never be implemented???
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Reply #1 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 6:38pm
 
Which policies will not get off the ground??
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Abbotts Full Pay maternity Leave.
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Reply #2 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 6:40pm
 
If the first Government to see its majority wiped out after one term in over 75 years decides to go on and try and govern - it will be an insult to us all.

Losing a majority after just one term simply shows you are not good enough.

That's not happened in our lifetime before!!

Shows us just how bad they were!!!
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Which policies will not get off the ground??
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Abbotts Full Pay maternity Leave.



And you would not want to see mother's get a chance to have a family and take a break from work to look after their new borns??

Shameful.
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Reply #4 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 6:51pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4th, 2010 at 6:40pm:
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Abbotts Full Pay maternity Leave.



And you would not want to see mother's get a chance to have a family and take a break from work to look after their new borns??

Shameful.

No everyone would like to see that.
And seeing everyone will be paying for this(Abbott eventually wants his scheme taxpayer funded) most people want such a scheme to be the same amount for all.
This argument that higher earners need more is just crap.
As you yourself have stated Andrei higher earners are higher educated and therefore more in control of their desitiny, so working with these undisputable facts it stands to reason a higher income couple can save and plan whilst also factoring in the public payment so therefore suffer no economic hardship in having a family.
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Reply #5 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 6:55pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 4th, 2010 at 6:51pm:
No everyone would like to see that.
And seeing everyone will be paying for this(Abbott eventually wants his scheme taxpayer funded) most people want such a scheme to be the same amount for all.
This argument that higher earners need more is just crap.
As you yourself have stated Andrei higher earners are higher educated and therefore more in control of their desitiny, so working with these undisputable facts it stands to reason a higher income couple can save and plan whilst also factoring in the public payment so therefore suffer no economic hardship in having a family.



But smithy - higher income earners have higher outgoings.
In 2007 our mortgage was $4,000 per month. Some people don't even earn that!
But we were a two income couple earning many times that so it wasnt an issue.
But drop down to one wage and it becomes a strain.

Now I realize your argument of 'you shouldn't borrow so much' etc which I am sure you think.

BUT just think for a minute how much tax people like us have paid into the system.
Do we not have a right to expect to be looked after a bit as well?

It just grates to see us get little back, pay a fortune in and see it go to hobos and losers.
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Reply #6 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 7:09pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4th, 2010 at 6:40pm:
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Abbotts Full Pay maternity Leave.



And you would not want to see mother's get a chance to have a family and take a break from work to look after their new borns??

Shameful.



Just like you don't like your taxes going to the unemployed, I don't like my taxes going to parental leave. You shouldn't have to be paid to take care of your baby, just do it, women have been ever since they joined the workforce.
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Reply #7 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 7:09pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4th, 2010 at 6:55pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 4th, 2010 at 6:51pm:
No everyone would like to see that.
And seeing everyone will be paying for this(Abbott eventually wants his scheme taxpayer funded) most people want such a scheme to be the same amount for all.
This argument that higher earners need more is just crap.
As you yourself have stated Andrei higher earners are higher educated and therefore more in control of their desitiny, so working with these undisputable facts it stands to reason a higher income couple can save and plan whilst also factoring in the public payment so therefore suffer no economic hardship in having a family.



But smithy - higher income earners have higher outgoings.
In 2007 our mortgage was $4,000 per month. Some people don't even earn that!
But we were a two income couple earning many times that so it wasnt an issue.
But drop down to one wage and it becomes a strain.

Now I realize your argument of 'you shouldn't borrow so much' etc which I am sure you think.

BUT just think for a minute how much tax people like us have paid into the system.
Do we not have a right to expect to be looked after a bit as well?

It just grates to see us get little back, pay a fortune in and see it go to hobos and losers.

No I dont think you should borrow so much or little.
What I'm saying is that(seeing you have used yourself as an example) that you and your wife could have paid more into your mortgage before she fell pregnant, paid down credit cards,personal loans etc so the transition after birth to 1 wage was not as big of a burdon.
If we followed your/Abbotts argument to its loglical conculsion if someone on 100K loses there job they are therefore entitled to more dole.
This is not the case nor should it, if ALL taxpayers are going to contribute then it should be 1 payment of X $$'s no matter income or x amount p/week for x amount of months.
Your argument about paying more tax does not gel, remember we have a proportional tax regime so whilst those on lower incomes pay less dollars the percentage of income is roughly the same.
Someone on 200K still gets the 1st 16K free pays 15 cents upto 30K the 30 cents upto 80K etc etc so they only pay the top rate on the last 50K
Yes these figures are not accurate I couldn't be bothered looking them up but you can see what I am trying to get across.
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Reply #8 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 7:13pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 4th, 2010 at 7:09pm:
Your argument about paying more tax does not gel, remember we have a proportional tax regime so whilst those on lower incomes pay less dollars the percentage of income is roughly the same.



But that's not remotely the case.
Back when I was an Australian PAYE worker, my entire bonus and a large portion of my salary was taxed at over 40%.

Lower income workers do not see a single dollar of their salary taxed at that amount.
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Reply #9 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 7:14pm
 
It also grates to see money wasted.....as in the hopeless Labor govt in NSW. I am a self-funded retiree and I cannot believe the wastefulness of the NSW State Govt and the dire straits this state now finds itself in. Policies should be properly costed and implemented. Same goes federally. If the country needs a boost, then for God's sake, at least cost it properly and check safety issues and rorting possibilities. All that money gone out the window, lives lost, millions gone overseas. Not only that, but much of the stimulus didn't even factor in until AFTER the so-called crisis. When will accountability come back into government? Hopefully before we go down the toilet.
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Reply #10 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 7:18pm
 
I also dont believe in equating dole payments with maternity leave.

People out of work are out of work, they are looking to get back in - or they should be.

People who are on maternity have not left their job, they are having a family and need the support for a time when they intend to go back into the same role paying that sound amount.

They are chalk and cheese as examples.

Dole payments should be base level payments for everyone. Including people on $200k.

Incidentally when I was made redundant in 2009, I had a three month period  before I started my new role.
I asked about dole payments and was told I had too large a payout to be allowed anything from the Government.

Bloody shafted again.

Quote my dad "Labor Governments have never done anything for our family son"

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Reply #11 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 7:24pm
 
andrei<<Bloody shafted again.

Quote my dad "Labor Governments have never done anything for our family son">>
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I'm glad the government don't let you sponge off them. Pay your way and shut up about it.
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Reply #12 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 7:26pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4th, 2010 at 7:13pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 4th, 2010 at 7:09pm:
Your argument about paying more tax does not gel, remember we have a proportional tax regime so whilst those on lower incomes pay less dollars the percentage of income is roughly the same.



But that's not remotely the case.
Back when I was an Australian PAYE worker, my entire bonus and a large portion of my salary was taxed at over 40%.

Lower income workers do not see a single dollar of their salary taxed at that amount.

Then you want to get a different accountant  or really, stop bitching your on heaps and review your spending on crap you dont really need  Wink
Again from memory the 40% rate kicks in over 150K
You do OK from what I know of you from these boards Andrei as I do it's really just a philosophical argument for us, but for some it really is pay the electricity or eat Sad
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Reply #13 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 7:40pm
 
It's definitely a philosophical argument I agree.
Whilst I was disappointed not to get the dole payments in '09, I had just received the biggest payout I'll ever get in my life!!!

I do appreciate people are doing it hard and I have always said I am in favor of my taxes going to help people.
But to a point.

PS - I am heading back to Canada tomorrow via LAX. I might be on the same plane as you?!
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Reply #14 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 7:45pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4th, 2010 at 7:40pm:
It's definitely a philosophical argument I agree.
Whilst I was disappointed not to get the dole payments in '09, I had just received the biggest payout I'll ever get in my life!!!

I do appreciate people are doing it hard and I have always said I am in favor of my taxes going to help people.
But to a point.

PS - I am heading back to Canada tomorrow via LAX. I might be on the same plane as you?!


Nah mate 17th is my departure date.
Have a safe flight and enjoy Canada Smiley
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