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Reply #75 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 4:41pm

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So why differentiate between 'can't have children' because the man or woman is sterile...and 'can't have children' because it's 2 men or 2 women???

Neither group (sterile hetero couple, or same-sex couple) can have kids of their own...so they are BOTH equally valid (after the usual checks) to adopt a child....

No, not equal, because a man, or a woman, are more than just their reproductive organs. A woman brings something that no man, no matter how fruity, can, and vice versa.

Oh, so you favour lesbian couples adopting, more than gay male couples adopting???

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Reply #76 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 4:42pm

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And??? isn't it better to have a pool of 60 or 80 decent couples to choose from, for the 30 or 40 children who need adoption, rather than just rely on '30 or 40 decent heterosexual couples'????

The bigger the pool of prospective parents...the better the chance of finding good homes for the children..

Despite the inordinate amount of sooking they do, gays are still a very small minority. they aren't going to significantly increase the size of the pool. Instead of 1000 couples to one adoptee, it'd be 1001.

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Reply #77 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 4:45pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 4:41pm:

... wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 4:40pm:

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So why differentiate between 'can't have children' because the man or woman is sterile...and 'can't have children' because it's 2 men or 2 women???

Neither group (sterile hetero couple, or same-sex couple) can have kids of their own...so they are BOTH equally valid (after the usual checks) to adopt a child....

No, not equal, because a man, or a woman, are more than just their reproductive organs. A woman brings something that no man, no matter how fruity, can, and vice versa.

Oh, so you favour lesbian couples adopting, more than gay male couples adopting???

No. I thought the inclusion of 'vice versa' implied that only a man and a woman give balance, not a bulldyke and a lipstick lesbian or a man and his sissy boyfriend.

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Reply #78 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 4:50pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 4:41pm:

BTW, folks: there are is a significant number of Aussie kids who are currently living with same-sex parents, who lack the legal protections (that their biological parent/s would want them to have) to remain under the care of their non-biological parent in the event of the death or severe incapacity of their biological parent/s...

Do you have a link for those stats?

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Reply #79 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 4:52pm

... wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 4:45pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 4:41pm:

... wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 4:40pm:

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So why differentiate between 'can't have children' because the man or woman is sterile...and 'can't have children' because it's 2 men or 2 women???

Neither group (sterile hetero couple, or same-sex couple) can have kids of their own...so they are BOTH equally valid (after the usual checks) to adopt a child....

No, not equal, because a man, or a woman, are more than just their reproductive organs. A woman brings something that no man, no matter how fruity, can, and vice versa.

Oh, so you favour lesbian couples adopting, more than gay male couples adopting???

No. I thought the inclusion of 'vice versa' implied that only a man and a woman give balance, not a bulldyke and a lipstick lesbian or a man and his sissy boyfriend.

Ahh I see...so under your 'religious preferences' it's better that an abusive and violent heterosexual couple adopt, abuse and batter a child, rather than that child being adopted by a loving and caring homosexual couple???

Right, ok....got it...

It's far better that the child be molested, beaten and tortured.....providing the child is molested, beaten and tortured by a 'straight' couple.....Than for the child to be loved, nurtured and cared for by a 'gay' couple...

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14248 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #80 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 4:58pm If a mother or father of under 18 children dies or leaves the marital home - I think it in the best interest of the children that they be removed from a dysfunctional, single parent household - and fostered or adopted into a normal "Mum & Dad" scenario
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Reply #81 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:04pm

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Ahh I see...so under your 'religious preferences' it's better that an abusive and violent heterosexual couple adopt, abuse and batter a child, rather than that child being adopted by a loving and caring homosexual couple???

Right, ok....got it...

It's far better that the child be molested, beaten and tortured.....providing the child is molested, beaten and tortured by a 'straight' couple.....Than for the child to be loved, nurtured and cared for by a 'gay' couple...

How ridiculous Gizmo. Your credibility has just sunk below zero.

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Reply #82 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:12pm

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Ahh I see...so under your 'religious preferences' it's better that an abusive and violent heterosexual couple adopt, abuse and batter a child, rather than that child being adopted by a loving and caring homosexual couple???

Right, ok....got it...

It's far better that the child be molested, beaten and tortured.....providing the child is molested, beaten and tortured by a 'straight' couple.....Than for the child to be loved, nurtured and cared for by a 'gay' couple...

How ridiculous Gizmo. Your credibility has just sunk below zero.

No actually it hasn't...
Your whole argument against same-sex couples adopting children is that they're GAY...

You don't care that a gay couple might be better people to raise the child....you just object because they're gay

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Reply #83 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:14pm

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 1:35pm:

In an ideal world, man loves woman (or woman loves man), man and woman get married, man and woman have child (maybe 2 or 3), and live happily ever after.

The reality, as we're all aware, is somewhat different and that's not to say better or worse.

However, we are under no illusions that more often than has been the case before, children are born into unsuitable environments, finding themselves placed in foster care or remaining with unfit biological parents (to name but two of the many different scenarios).

Personally, I'd endorse anything that sees a child placed in a loving, caring and responsible environment, REGARDLESS of the sexuality of the parents.

Well said!!!

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Reply #84 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:14pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:12pm:

... wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:04pm:

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Ahh I see...so under your 'religious preferences' it's better that an abusive and violent heterosexual couple adopt, abuse and batter a child, rather than that child being adopted by a loving and caring homosexual couple???

Right, ok....got it...

It's far better that the child be molested, beaten and tortured.....providing the child is molested, beaten and tortured by a 'straight' couple.....Than for the child to be loved, nurtured and cared for by a 'gay' couple...

How ridiculous Gizmo. Your credibility has just sunk below zero.

No actually it hasn't...
Your whole argument against same-sex couples adopting children is that they're GAY...

You don't care that a gay couple might be better people to raise the child....you just object because they're gay

waa waaah waaaaahhhh!

Sook.

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Reply #85 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:22pm

mellie wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 4:02pm:

Does a stable government oppose gay-marriage in one breath, though attempt to legislate gay-adoption in another?

Ask yourself this.

Grin

Just tell me how credible is a government who openly opposes gay-marriage, yet attempts to legislate gay adoption?

Do you suppose this might confuse society, straight & gay a little?

The very definition of adoption is....

1)the act of accepting with approval; favourable reception; "its adoption by society"; "the proposal found wide acceptance"

2) In the case of a child... To take into one's family through legal means and raise as one's own child.

Now with respects to a government and it's flawed hypocrisy, (pre-electoral promise to the gay community) ... how is it they may legislate the gay adoption of children when they openly wont even legislate same-sex marriage?

Gays cant marry, but they may adopt children?

Don't you find this ridiculous, or am I missing something here?

All Labor promised was to 'attempt' to pass this bill.
The truth of the matter is, this was always going to be the extent of such an arrangement. Was always going to be an un-passable bill though some of the gay community have not quite figured this out yet.

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Reply #86 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:23pm

... wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:14pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:12pm:

... wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:04pm:

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Ahh I see...so under your 'religious preferences' it's better that an abusive and violent heterosexual couple adopt, abuse and batter a child, rather than that child being adopted by a loving and caring homosexual couple???

Right, ok....got it...

It's far better that the child be molested, beaten and tortured.....providing the child is molested, beaten and tortured by a 'straight' couple.....Than for the child to be loved, nurtured and cared for by a 'gay' couple...

How ridiculous Gizmo. Your credibility has just sunk below zero.

No actually it hasn't...
Your whole argument against same-sex couples adopting children is that they're GAY...

You don't care that a gay couple might be better people to raise the child....you just object because they're gay

waa waaah waaaaahhhh!

Sook.

LOL yeah right...

Go for the whole Westboro idealogy...

Anyone who favours equal and fair treatment for both hetero and gay people...must be a sook...

Just like anyone who favoured equal treatment for blacks and whites in the 50's was a sook...

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Reply #87 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:25pm

mellie wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:22pm:

mellie wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 4:02pm:

Does a stable government oppose gay-marriage in one breath, though attempt to legislate gay-adoption in another?

Ask yourself this.

Grin

Just tell me how credible is a government who openly opposes gay-marriage, yet attempts to legislate gay adoption?

Do you suppose this might confuse society, straight & gay a little?

The very definition of adoption is....

1)the act of accepting with approval; favourable reception; "its adoption by society"; "the proposal found wide acceptance"

2) In the case of a child... To take into one's family through legal means and raise as one's own child.

Now with respects to a government and it's flawed hypocrisy, (pre-electoral promise to the gay community) ... how is it they may legislate the gay adoption of children when they openly wont even legislate same-sex marriage?

Gays cant marry, but they may adopt children?

Don't you find this ridiculous, or am I missing something here?

All Labor promised was to 'attempt' to pass this bill.
The truth of the matter is, this was always going to be the extent of such an arrangement. Was always going to be an un-passable bill though some of the gay community have not quite figured this out yet.

Roll Eyes

Why is that a problem??? single people can adopt children too...

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #88 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:26pm And everyone who express misgivings about gays adopting must be a baptist nutcase? I might be a nutcase, but I'm my own nutcase thank you.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #89 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:29pm ... wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 5:26pm: And everyone who express misgivings about gays adopting must be a baptist nutcase? I might be a nutcase, but I'm my own nutcase thank you. Well you said it...
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