Australian Politics Forum - Same-sex adoption

mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Same-sex adoption Sep 1^st, 2010 at 12:13pm Now who was it that advised me that this bill was no longer something worth discussing, on account of it having not got passed the senate? http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/samesex-adoption-bill-divides-libs... Told you so!
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Reply #1 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 12:24pm

This is inevitable. Same sex adoption and foster care has been going on for years in the States and they have found it very successful.

It's hard for those of us who were brought up conservatively to accept that this is the way forward, because homosexuality was illegal nationally until the late 80's.
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Now there are so many same sex couples and the numbers have increased dramatically with Generation X and Y who know the freedom of being able to express their sexual preference without guilt.

We can't deny an ever increasing proportion of the population the right to adopt children when heterosexual people can.

Besides adoption is a long and arduous process, so those who will adopt successfully would ultimately be exemplary parents.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #2 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 12:31pm The sky is falling! but seriously though, it's a dumb idea, and I will never ever support it. It makes a mockery of nature, and you know what happens when man thinks he is above natures power?
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culldav Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2020	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #3 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 12:41pm If a child gets loving caring people to care for it; then who cares what sexuality these people are.
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culldav Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2020	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #4 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 12:44pm If we bring "nature" into the debate, then we all must admit that 98% of "nature" suggest that monogamy is against "nature" Where does that leave us?
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #5 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 12:44pm A loving family is far better than growing up in an orphanage, especially if it's a Catholic one.
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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #6 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 12:45pm culldav wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 12:41pm: If a child gets loving caring people to care for it; then who cares what sexuality these people are. I couldnt agree more.
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Reply #7 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 12:48pm

I have spoken to my three gay friends about this topic, all three agree, a child 'ideally' requires both a male and female parent figure in their lives, this and themselves think it's a bad idea due to same sex deviants pretending they are gay just to gain access to kids.

Be they male or female.

Neither of my gay male friends plan on getting married, this or having kids, either naturally or via adoption.

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Reply #8 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 12:59pm

If they wont even recognise the marriage of gay couples, how is it they can condone their adopting children?

Double standards!

I disagree with single adoption also, and think couples should be at least married for 5 years before even being considered.

We are talking about kids here, not puppies, and should their dabble at parenting not quite work out, it's not like you can return them to the pound.
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.....They are making it too easy for sicko's...be they gay or straight to get hold of kids.

Anyone with a criminal clearance could declare themselves gay, this and a couple, then apply for adoption if this bills passed.

Have they thought about what's in the best interests of the kids?

Kids have rights too you know, the right to both a maternal and paternal parent figure.

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #9 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 1:04pm

mellie wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 12:59pm:

If they wont even recognise the marriage of gay couples, how is it they can condone their adopting children?

Double standards!

I disagree with single adoption also, and think couples should be at least married for 5 years before even being considered.

We are talking about kids here, not puppies, and should their dabble at parenting not quite work out, it's not like you can return them to the pound.
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.....They are making it too easy for sicko's...be they gay or straight to get hold of kids.

Anyone with a criminal clearance could declare themselves gay, this and a couple, then apply for adoption if this bills passed.

Have they thought about what's in the best interests of the kids?

Kids have rights too you know, the right to both a maternal and paternal parent figure.

"Anyone with a criminal clearance could declare themselves gay, this and a couple, then apply for adoption if this bills passed."

Not likely mellie....there are criminal history checks for ALL potential adoptive parents...

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Reply #10 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 1:06pm

That's amazing Mellie... you see I also have many gay friends and although I haven't spoken to the recently about this, it has been a dinner topic in the past.

They all agree that same sex couples should have the same access to adoption and IVF programs as traditional couples and singles. And whilst they agree that both genders should serve as role models for the children, those role models can be found outside of the same sex relationship amongst close friends and relatives.

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Reply #11 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 1:23pm

Sappho wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 1:06pm:

That's amazing Mellie... you see I also have many gay friends and although I haven't spoken to the recently about this, it has been a dinner topic in the past.

They all agree that same sex couples should have the same access to adoption and IVF programs as traditional couples and singles. And whilst they agree that both genders should serve as role models for the children, those role models can be found outside of the same sex relationship amongst close friends and relatives.

gee, what a surpsie - gay people think that gay people should be allowed to do whatever they want.

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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #12 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 1:27pm Quote: gee, what a surpsie - gay people think that gay people should be allowed to do whatever they want. No. Just gay people thinking they should be treated the same as straight people.
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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #13 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 1:29pm

mellie wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 12:13pm:

Now who was it that advised me that this bill was no longer something worth discussing, on account of it having not got passed the senate?

Told you so!

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It's got nothing to DO with "the senate" - you NONG
Aboption laws fall under STATE legislation, not Federal

The bill, introduced by independent Sydney MP Clover Moore, would allow same-sex couples to adopt a child together.

Opposition community services spokeswoman Pru Goward supports the bill.
She says the best thing for children is to be cared for and loved by parents, regardless of their sexual orientation.

Speaking on ABC Radio, she questioned why a single homosexual person could adopt a child and a same-sex couple could foster a child, but a same-sex couple could not adopt.

Ms Goward said the bill was about the rights of children having access to parents.

"I'm thinking in particular of inheritance rights, visitation rights and post-divorce or separation rights," she said.

The government and the opposition have both agreed to give their members a conscience vote on the bill.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/samesex-adoption-bill-divides-libs...

The MAIN driver behind this legislation is to give parental rights to the care-givers of non-birth children in a same-sex partnership
As well as protecting the rights of children in the event of separation or death of a non-birth care-giver

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #14 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 1:35pm

In an ideal world, man loves woman (or woman loves man), man and woman get married, man and woman have child (maybe 2 or 3), and live happily ever after.

The reality, as we're all aware, is somewhat different and that's not to say better or worse.

However, we are under no illusions that more often than has been the case before, children are born into unsuitable environments, finding themselves placed in foster care or remaining with unfit biological parents (to name but two of the many different scenarios).

Personally, I'd endorse anything that sees a child placed in a loving, caring and responsible environment, REGARDLESS of the sexuality of the parents.

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