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Reply #225 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 9:10am
 
Everyone talks about 'moral and traditional' values. Who is to say that we all have to abide by such rules?
Not everyone is traditional, in fact, the younger generation are hardly traditional at all, and this is only going to grow as we get more and more younger people forming their opinions.

Very soon, Australia WILL have same sex marriage and same sex adoption. It is silly to suggest otherwise. Older Australians are more likely to cling to traditional views, whereas young folk are more likely to show support for SSM and same sex adoption.

It is only a matter of time, and hopefully, when it happens, those who oppose it will realise that gays and lesbians can also be great parents.
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Reply #226 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 9:58am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 11:42pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 11:36pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 8:23pm:
You all know that I used hyperbole in my initial statement.

Kids would see that 2 Dads were in bed together at some stage
given many years of close family contact.



Not if the '2 dads' were smart enough to lock the door they wouldn't...

I never walked in on my parents In flagrante delicto...(thank the gods lol)

And seeing their parents, of whatever gender, just lying in bed would have almost NO effect on the average kid..


Gizmo - you have a lower sense of community standards compared with me.


Which community do you mean bobby???
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Reply #227 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:19am
 
Vanessa wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 9:10am:
Everyone talks about 'moral and traditional' values. Who is to say that we all have to abide by such rules?
Not everyone is traditional, in fact, the younger generation are hardly traditional at all, and this is only going to grow as we get more and more younger people forming their opinions.

Very soon, Australia WILL have same sex marriage and same sex adoption. It is silly to suggest otherwise. Older Australians are more likely to cling to traditional views, whereas young folk are more likely to show support for SSM and same sex adoption.

It is only a matter of time, and hopefully, when it happens, those who oppose it will realise that gays and lesbians can also be great parents.


I agree Vanessa. Older Australians aren't too flexible in their thinking when it comes to changing traditional values.

Our children will be the ones demanding an egalitarian Australia in the future and you're right - same sex relationships are just something they're growing up with and look upon them as "normal" unless their parents have indoctrinated them with the old Christian values - not that there's anything wrong with that, but the world is changing.

The future is reminiscent of an old story by HG Wells - the Time Machine narrated by the Time Traveller.


The Time Traveller tests his device with a journey that takes him to the year A.D. 802,701, where he meets the Eloi, a society of small, elegant, androgynous, and childlike people. They live in small communities within large and futuristic yet slowly deteriorating buildings, doing no work and having a frugivorous diet. His efforts to communicate with them are hampered by their lack of curiosity or discipline, and he concludes that they are a peaceful communist society, the result of humanity conquering nature with technology, and subsequently evolving to adapt to an environment in which strength and intellect are no longer advantageous to survival.

Later in the dark, he is approached menacingly by the Morlocks, pale, apelike people who live in darkness underground, where he discovers the machinery and industry that makes the above-ground paradise possible. He alters his theory, speculating that the human race has evolved into two species: the leisured classes have become the ineffectual Eloi, and the downtrodden working classes have become the brutish light-fearing Morlocks. Deducing that the Morlocks have taken his time machine, he explores the Morlock tunnels, learning that they feed on the Eloi. His revised analysis is that their relationship is not one of lords and servants but of livestock and ranchers, and with no real challenges facing either species. They have both lost the intelligence and character of Man at its peak.


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Reply #228 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:25am
 

what rot.

about 2 - 4 % of ausssies are homos.
how many of that amount live in a stable relationship, or want to have kids ??

Fact is, homos can't have kids.
a female and a male are required, don't go against nature.
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Reply #229 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:25am
 
Even right down to their passing same-sex marriage and adoption to allude to a false sense of 'independence' 'freedom' is referred to in this book...  he saw this coming too.

It's trickery,(communism veiled as republicanism/socialism)  and if you have a brain in your head, you will at least educate yourself with respects to both sides of the argument.

- DEMOCRACY and TREASON in AUSTRALIA <----Click!




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Reply #230 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:30am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:25am:
what rot.

about 2 - 4 % of ausssies are homos.
how many of that amount live in a stable relationship, or want to have kids ??

Fact is, homos can't have kids.
a female and a male are required, don't go against nature.


Sprintcyclist - what if one of your children were gay. Would you still love him and accept his choice of partner?

I know a man who is shockingly homophobic, yet his son is gay. The father is in extreme denial and the boy is torn between trying to please his father and being himself.

There are many kids now living in same sex relationships with a biological parent.
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Reply #231 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:40am
 

mellie wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:25am:
Even right down to their passing same-sex marriage and adoption to allude to a false sense of 'independence' 'freedom' is referred to in this book...  he saw this coming too.

It's trickery,(communism veiled as republicanism/socialism)  and if you have a brain in your head, you will at least educate yourself with respects to both sides of the argument.

- DEMOCRACY and TREASON in AUSTRALIA <----Click!



Crikey, Mellie, your bigoted and paranoid roots are showing - along with his...

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Reply #232 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:44am
 


mantra wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:19am:
Vanessa wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 9:10am:
Everyone talks about 'moral and traditional' values. Who is to say that we all have to abide by such rules?
Not everyone is traditional, in fact, the younger generation are hardly traditional at all, and this is only going to grow as we get more and more younger people forming their opinions.

Very soon, Australia WILL have same sex marriage and same sex adoption. It is silly to suggest otherwise. Older Australians are more likely to cling to traditional views, whereas young folk are more likely to show support for SSM and same sex adoption.

It is only a matter of time, and hopefully, when it happens, those who oppose it will realise that gays and lesbians can also be great parents.


I agree Vanessa. Older Australians aren't too flexible in their thinking when it comes to changing traditional values.

Our children will be the ones demanding an egalitarian Australia in the future and you're right - same sex relationships are just something they're growing up with and look upon them as "normal" unless their parents have indoctrinated them with the old Christian values - not that there's anything wrong with that, but the world is changing.

The future is reminiscent of an old story by HG Wells - the Time Machine narrated by the Time Traveller.


The Time Traveller tests his device with a journey that takes him to the year A.D. 802,701, where he meets the Eloi, a society of small, elegant, androgynous, and childlike people. They live in small communities within large and futuristic yet slowly deteriorating buildings, doing no work and having a frugivorous diet. His efforts to communicate with them are hampered by their lack of curiosity or discipline, and he concludes that they are a peaceful communist society, the result of humanity conquering nature with technology, and subsequently evolving to adapt to an environment in which strength and intellect are no longer advantageous to survival.

Later in the dark, he is approached menacingly by the Morlocks, pale, apelike people who live in darkness underground, where he discovers the machinery and industry that makes the above-ground paradise possible. He alters his theory, speculating that the human race has evolved into two species: the leisured classes have become the ineffectual Eloi, and the downtrodden working classes have become the brutish light-fearing Morlocks. Deducing that the Morlocks have taken his time machine, he explores the Morlock tunnels, learning that they feed on the Eloi. His revised analysis is that their relationship is not one of lords and servants but of livestock and ranchers, and with no real challenges facing either species. They have both lost the intelligence and character of Man at its peak.




Wow, Mantra, I expect that poignant passage will haunt me for a while - thanks for sharing!

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Reply #233 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 11:37am
 
Equitist wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:40am:
mellie wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 10:25am:
Even right down to their passing same-sex marriage and adoption to allude to a false sense of 'independence' 'freedom' is referred to in this book...  he saw this coming too.

It's trickery,(communism veiled as republicanism/socialism)  and if you have a brain in your head, you will at least educate yourself with respects to both sides of the argument.

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Crikey, Mellie, your bigoted and paranoid roots are showing - along with his...

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You are an ignorant fool, at least I delve into both sides of the debate, you with your half-cocked ignorance, and self-absorbed assured 'ideology' are completely ignorant to the fact that racism and prejudice has nothing to do with our power over our nations autonomy, our sovereignty, the civil liberties and our right to reap the rewards of our own harvest being whittled away under the 'caring' banner of multiculturalism.

You are being drip-fed the 'racism mantra' ....  you really need to make this distinction now before you no longer have a say.

Racism has nothing to do with sovereignty, or our constitutional rights as Australian citizens, (wherever we come from).

You have no idea what will transpire in the event either of our two leading party's fail to restore changes made 'unlawfully'  to our constitution, and more concerning, I'm concerned they themselves lack insight into this world order agenda also, under the guise of 'free-trade' ....it's far from free!

We will be who are left to pay the price...the debt.

With increasing foreign debt, and our industries already 40% foreignly owned ...  Look, all I ask is that you delve into it.

Please don't be arrogant about this, this may be our last chance to turn this thing around, and yes, I do believe it's still possible, despite what the plutocrats say.

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Reply #234 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 12:30pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 5:37pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 5:32pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 10:20am:
aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 8:01am:
There is a need in children for BOTH male and female parental figures in house.  To argue against this is hopeless.  However the situation is caused, children of single parents are at a big emotional handicap.

Much of today`s selfish dogma on this issue can be laid directly at the feet of egotistical feminism. This is a crutch for people who, for the most part are too selfish to share a family with a spouse, they`e so egotistical and emotionally fragile that they need to be the centre of the universe.


It's about time that Mothers & Fathers took some responsibility
& brought up their kids together.
Even if the're not happy they should stay together for their kids.
There should be no need to have kids being adopted by gays.





Two carers that HATE each other, VS two carers that LOVE each other

We HAVE lift-off !





Yeah just chuck morals and traditional family values out the window eh Buzz?

Think how much crap a kid would go through from his peers with a pair of woofters as 'parents'??






You think I don't HAVE family ?
You think I don't FEEL love ?
You think I don't WANT that 'white picket' ?
You think the last SEVENTEEN YEARS has been a whim on the part of a pair of 'woofters' ?

I have a LIFE !

And I've got a LOT more mileage on the BIG scorecard than YOU, sweetheart !

The ONLY thing missing is children, thanks to c*nts like yourself - who would campaign against the concept - believing a child is better off rotting in a Bosnian orphanage


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Reply #235 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 12:37pm
 
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The ONLY thing missing is children, thanks to c*nts like yourself - who would campaign against the concept - believing a child is better off rotting in a Bosnian orphanage






It seems the children are missing due to the LACK of a c*nt.

If that's a problem, take it up with God.
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Reply #236 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 12:50pm
 
... wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 12:37pm:
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The ONLY thing missing is children, thanks to c*nts like yourself - who would campaign against the concept - believing a child is better off rotting in a Bosnian orphanage











It seems the children are missing due to the LACK of a c*nt.

If that's a problem, take it up with God.






I GUESS I should have said TWO c*nts like YOURSELVES ?
I WILL pass on your sentiments to my sister-in-law, who had seven miscariages, before adopting a boy and a girl from a Taiwanese orphanage
Sorry if the concept of 'mixed family' causes offence
I appreciate the sensibilities of you white supremists



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Reply #237 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 12:53pm
 

buzz - good, you will then see that the right are sensible.

a baby needs an egg and some sperm to start.
that means a mummy and a daddy.
that's who is meant to have babies. mummys and daddys.

babies are not started through some sperm and some faeces.
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Reply #238 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 12:58pm
 
Buzz has made some very good points. Two loving parents of the same sex adopting a child from an under resourced orphanage in a third world country is a much better option than leaving the child to rot.

When you see the hatred sometimes between hetero couples who stick together for the "sake of the children" - you can't say the children would have a better quality of life than those brought up in a loving family regardless of the sex of their parents.
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Reply #239 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 12:59pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 12:53pm:
buzz - good, you will then see that the right are sensible.

a baby needs an egg and some sperm to start.
that means a mummy and a daddy.
that's who is meant to have babies. mummys and daddys.

babies are not started through some sperm and some faeces.





I'll pass THAT on to my siister-in-law, as WELL




APPARENTLY, her 'eggs' are rotten
She did a BAD, BAD thing'
god told her she wasn't fit to be a mother
Nor was her husband fit to be a father


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