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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #180 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 2:44pm I didn't realise you were gay Vanessa, I missed that bit. I thought you were just a single woman who didn't have a partner at this time and wanted a child.
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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #181 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 5:52pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 2:44pm:

I didn't realise you were gay Vanessa, I missed that bit.

I thought you were just a single woman who didn't have a partner at this time and wanted a child.

It's not something I feel the need to announce to the world. I know some people do, but I prefer to keep it to myself - I know how badly you can be treated.

I don't have a partner and I honestly don't have any interest in finding one. I hope to have kids one day, but that would depend on my financial situation.

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Reply #182 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 5:56pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 12:01pm:

Like I said - think of the child.

It is tantamount to cruelty placing them with a gay couple.

A child needs a stable family unit. A mother and a father in a married family home.

Traditional, christian, family values - what Australia is all about.

I am not concerned about so called Christian values. That doesn't matter. A persons religion has no bearing on whether they would make a good parent.

We may have been a traditional country in the past, but times do change, and they have changed, and we are moving with the tide of change.

I don't think that it is cruel to let gay people raise kids - I think it is cruel for straight couples to divorce, knowing the effect it will have on their children. THAT is cruel - yet we don't see anyone objecting against that.

A child being told their parents no longer love each other and don't even want to live in the same house would be far more hurtful to the child to be told he/she has two parents of the same sex who happen to be in love.

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Reply #183 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 5:57pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 5:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 12:01pm:

Like I said - think of the child.

It is tantamount to cruelty placing them with a gay couple.

A child needs a stable family unit. A mother and a father in a married family home.

Traditional, christian, family values - what Australia is all about.

I am not concerned about so called Christian values. That doesn't matter. A persons religion has no bearing on whether they would make a good parent.

We may have been a traditional country in the past, but times do change, and they have changed, and we are moving with the tide of change.

I don't think that it is cruel to let gay people raise kids - I think it is cruel for straight couples to divorce, knowing the effect it will have on their children. THAT is cruel - yet we don't see anyone objecting against that.

A child being told their parents no longer love each other and don't even want to live in the same house would be far more hurtful to the child to be told he/she has two parents of the same sex who happen to be in love.

And when a same sex couple get 'divorced'?

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Reply #184 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:00pm

... wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 5:57pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 5:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 12:01pm:

Like I said - think of the child.

It is tantamount to cruelty placing them with a gay couple.

A child needs a stable family unit. A mother and a father in a married family home.

Traditional, christian, family values - what Australia is all about.

I am not concerned about so called Christian values. That doesn't matter. A persons religion has no bearing on whether they would make a good parent.

We may have been a traditional country in the past, but times do change, and they have changed, and we are moving with the tide of change.

I don't think that it is cruel to let gay people raise kids - I think it is cruel for straight couples to divorce, knowing the effect it will have on their children. THAT is cruel - yet we don't see anyone objecting against that.

A child being told their parents no longer love each other and don't even want to live in the same house would be far more hurtful to the child to be told he/she has two parents of the same sex who happen to be in love.

And when a same sex couple get 'divorced'?

There are less SS couples in this country, so it is fair to say that the divorce rate among gays would be less - and as gay couples will need help to have children, many couples may not even have a family.

If a SSC get divorced, it will be the same problem. Kid caught in the middle, which is terrible.

But we need to think about the high number of straight couples who get divorced, and how that affects their children. No one brings this up, though - and it's a valid concern.

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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #185 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:02pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 5:56pm:

I think it is cruel for straight couples to divorce, knowing the effect it will have on their children. THAT is cruel - yet we don't see anyone objecting against that.

It took a while to overcome the stigma associated that divorcees and their children carried, but we rightly managed to do so. Of course, it's not ideal, however, we're now equipped with the knowledge and skills to help children cope with it as best they can. It's up to the parents to use what they have available to them.

I see homosexual couples and their desire to adopt children in a very similar light and believe that we will, one day, overcome to the stigma associated with such a scenario.

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Reply #186 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:10pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:00pm:

There are less SS couples in this country, so it is fair to say that the divorce rate among gays would be less - and as gay couples will need help to have children, many couples may not even have a family.

If a SSC get divorced, it will be the same problem. Kid caught in the middle, which is terrible.

But we need to think about the high number of straight couples who get divorced, and how that affects their children. No one brings this up, though - and it's a valid concern.

Aren't you getting a little ahead of yourself? To get Divorced one needs to have married. When did the Australian Federal Government pass legislation for marriage between homosexuals?

State Governments may pass laws about homosexuals adopting (in that State) and so forth but the Family Law covering marriage and divorce is a Federal Government thing, the Law on this does not change State by State.

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Reply #187 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:24pm

... wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 5:57pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 5:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 12:01pm:

Like I said - think of the child.

It is tantamount to cruelty placing them with a gay couple.

A child needs a stable family unit. A mother and a father in a married family home.

Traditional, christian, family values - what Australia is all about.

I am not concerned about so called Christian values. That doesn't matter. A persons religion has no bearing on whether they would make a good parent.

We may have been a traditional country in the past, but times do change, and they have changed, and we are moving with the tide of change.

I don't think that it is cruel to let gay people raise kids - I think it is cruel for straight couples to divorce, knowing the effect it will have on their children. THAT is cruel - yet we don't see anyone objecting against that.

A child being told their parents no longer love each other and don't even want to live in the same house would be far more hurtful to the child to be told he/she has two parents of the same sex who happen to be in love.

And when a same sex couple get 'divorced'?

Exactly the same as when a 'hetero couple' get divorvced....

One parent gets custody....or both parents share custody...

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Reply #188 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:26pm

Yog wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:10pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:00pm:

There are less SS couples in this country, so it is fair to say that the divorce rate among gays would be less - and as gay couples will need help to have children, many couples may not even have a family.

If a SSC get divorced, it will be the same problem. Kid caught in the middle, which is terrible.

But we need to think about the high number of straight couples who get divorced, and how that affects their children. No one brings this up, though - and it's a valid concern.

Aren't you getting a little ahead of yourself? To get Divorced one needs to have married. When did the Australian Federal Government pass legislation for marriage between homosexuals?

State Governments may pass laws about homosexuals adopting (in that State) and so forth but the Family Law covering marriage and divorce is a Federal Government thing, the Law on this does not change State by State.

No, it's just the same as when an unmarried hetero couple splits up....

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Reply #189 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:26pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:24pm:

... wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 5:57pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 5:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 12:01pm:

Like I said - think of the child.

It is tantamount to cruelty placing them with a gay couple.

A child needs a stable family unit. A mother and a father in a married family home.

Traditional, christian, family values - what Australia is all about.

I am not concerned about so called Christian values. That doesn't matter. A persons religion has no bearing on whether they would make a good parent.

We may have been a traditional country in the past, but times do change, and they have changed, and we are moving with the tide of change.

I don't think that it is cruel to let gay people raise kids - I think it is cruel for straight couples to divorce, knowing the effect it will have on their children. THAT is cruel - yet we don't see anyone objecting against that.

A child being told their parents no longer love each other and don't even want to live in the same house would be far more hurtful to the child to be told he/she has two parents of the same sex who happen to be in love.

And when a same sex couple get 'divorced'?

Exactly the same as when a 'hetero couple' get divorvced....

One parent gets custody....or both parents share custody...

I know. But it seems that vanessa thinks same-sex couples wouldn't ever split up.

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aikmann4 Gold Member Offline Posts: 2093 canberra	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #190 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:26pm fags are incredibly promiscuous anyway just about every gay man i have ever met has had sex with like seventy different partners no joke
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Reply #191 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:32pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:26pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:10pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:00pm:

There are less SS couples in this country, so it is fair to say that the divorce rate among gays would be less - and as gay couples will need help to have children, many couples may not even have a family.

If a SSC get divorced, it will be the same problem. Kid caught in the middle, which is terrible.

But we need to think about the high number of straight couples who get divorced, and how that affects their children. No one brings this up, though - and it's a valid concern.

Aren't you getting a little ahead of yourself? To get Divorced one needs to have married. When did the Australian Federal Government pass legislation for marriage between homosexuals?

State Governments may pass laws about homosexuals adopting (in that State) and so forth but the Family Law covering marriage and divorce is a Federal Government thing, the Law on this does not change State by State.

No, it's just the same as when an unmarried hetero couple splits up....

Really? What's all the fuss about then, homos have the same laws as heteros so why are they complaining? Roll Eyes

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Reply #192 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:49pm

Yog wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:32pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:26pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:10pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:00pm:

There are less SS couples in this country, so it is fair to say that the divorce rate among gays would be less - and as gay couples will need help to have children, many couples may not even have a family.

If a SSC get divorced, it will be the same problem. Kid caught in the middle, which is terrible.

But we need to think about the high number of straight couples who get divorced, and how that affects their children. No one brings this up, though - and it's a valid concern.

Aren't you getting a little ahead of yourself? To get Divorced one needs to have married. When did the Australian Federal Government pass legislation for marriage between homosexuals?

State Governments may pass laws about homosexuals adopting (in that State) and so forth but the Family Law covering marriage and divorce is a Federal Government thing, the Law on this does not change State by State.

No, it's just the same as when an unmarried hetero couple splits up....

Really? What's all the fuss about then, homos have the same laws as heteros so why are they complaining? Roll Eyes

They aren't complaining NOW..because gay couples can NOW adopt children...

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Reply #193 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 7:09pm

aikmann4 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:26pm:

fags are incredibly promiscuous anyway

just about every gay man i have ever met has had sex with like seventy different partners no joke

Don't forget that there are many promiscuous heterosexuals, too. While I am aware that there are some gay men who sleep around - I certainly don't approve. I don't approve of one night stands, casual flings, none of that.

But the irresponsible actions of a few cannot be used to label the majority.

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Hlysnan Senior Member Offline Riht, Fr[ch275]od[ch333]m, Wærscipe Posts: 449 Burwood Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #194 - Sep 4^th, 2010 at 8:52pm aikmann4 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 6:26pm: fags are incredibly promiscuous anyway just about every gay man i have ever met has had sex with like seventy different partners no joke I've never hooked up with anyone, never made out with anyone either. That's a pretty big generalisation you know.
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