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Reply #165 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 11:24am

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:15pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

I am gay, not in a relationship, and intend to have IVF to realise my dream of being a parent.
No one, and I mean no one, has the right to simply ASSUME that someone would make a poor parent simply because of their orientation.

Wow. I just hope the law or bureaucracy holds you back until you realise just how bad an idea that is.
It's like you want the end result without going through the necessary steps to get there. The world doesn't 'owe' you a child just because it is your dream to have one....I might have a dream to be an AFL player, but there are very clear steps I would need to take to get there, just the same as there are steps you need to take to become a parent...it is not everyone's 'right' to be given whatever assistance is required for them to realise their personal dream.

Besides, parenting isn't all fun and games you know, it's bloody hard work with 2 parents, let alone by yourself.

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Reply #166 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 11:31am

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Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:15pm:

Yog wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:06pm:

OK. I have a question. How many of you arguing about this subject are gay or lesbian who want to adopt children?

Unless you have an actual interest in same-sex adoption, how the bloody hell do you know how it affects those involved. Arguing for argument sake is rather infantile. Grow up!

I am gay, not in a relationship, and intend to have IVF to realise my dream of being a parent.
No one, and I mean no one, has the right to simply ASSUME that someone would make a poor parent simply because of their orientation.

Wow. I just hope the law or bureaucracy holds you back until you realise just how bad an idea that is.
It's like you want the end result without going through the necessary steps to get there. The world doesn't 'owe' you a child just because it is your dream to have one....I might have a dream to be an AFL player, but there are very clear steps I would need to take to get there, just the same as there are steps you need to take to become a parent...it is not everyone's 'right' to be given whatever assistance is required for them to realise their personal dream.

Besides, parenting isn't all fun and games you know, it's bloody hard work with 2 parents, let alone by yourself.

The gay community do like to accessorise, and what coukd be more fabulous than a government funded mini-me.

If you can breed 'em and you can feed 'em, you can have 'em. If not too friggen bad.

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Reply #167 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 11:33am

The New South Wales Opposition Leader Barry O'Farrell has joined the state's Premier in speaking in favour of a bill allowing same-sex couples the right to adopt.

A number of amendments to the state bill have been proposed, one allowing faith-based agencies to be exempt from the anti-discrimination provisions so that they could refuse their services to gay couples.

Another amendment gives the birth parents the right to veto a same-sex adoption.

New South Wales MPs are being allowed a conscience vote.

Mr O'Farrell has previously refused to state his position on the matter, saying he did not want to influence MPs.

But he now says the bill is not about gay rights but the rights of a child.

"Today's bill is not creating a new class of family," he said.

"Same-sex couples with children are a reality of life already.

"This bill simply gives committed couples, regardless of their sexuality who want to adopt a child the equal access to a process which will not treat them equally."

The Nationals Leader Andrew Stoner says he will not support the legislation, believing it is best a child has both a mother and a father.

The bill was introduced by the Independent MP Clover Moore, who says the laws regarding same sex adoption need to catch up with social reality.

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Reply #168 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 11:37am

Verge wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 11:33am:

The New South Wales Opposition Leader Barry O'Farrell has joined the state's Premier in speaking in favour of a bill allowing same-sex couples the right to adopt.

A number of amendments to the state bill have been proposed, one allowing faith-based agencies to be exempt from the anti-discrimination provisions so that they could refuse their services to gay couples.

Another amendment gives the birth parents the right to veto a same-sex adoption.

New South Wales MPs are being allowed a conscience vote.

Mr O'Farrell has previously refused to state his position on the matter, saying he did not want to influence MPs.

But he now says the bill is not about gay rights but the rights of a child.

"Today's bill is not creating a new class of family," he said.

"Same-sex couples with children are a reality of life already.

"This bill simply gives committed couples, regardless of their sexuality who want to adopt a child the equal access to a process which will not treat them equally."

The Nationals Leader Andrew Stoner says he will not support the legislation, believing it is best a child has both a mother and a father.

The bill was introduced by the Independent MP Clover Moore, who says the laws regarding same sex adoption need to catch up with social reality.

Crikey, good on him - but I reckon that a lot of religious righteous whingers will be pissed off with O'Farrell over this...

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Reply #169 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 11:40am

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A number of amendments to the state bill have been proposed, one allowing faith-based agencies to be exempt from the anti-discrimination provisions so that they could refuse their services to gay couples.

This is a good thing.
While I'd prefer it was banned outright, if it's going to be allowed at all, people mustn't have to compromise their beliefs by being forced to offer services to anyone and everyone who demanded it.

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Reply #170 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 11:44am

Last year, only 40 local adoptions took place in Australia, and it's my understanding that those entrusted with the duty of selecting parents for adoption are religious orgs.

Meaning, nothings really changed, MP Clover Moore will not be pleased.

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A number of amendments to the state bill have been proposed, one allowing faith-based agencies to be exempt from the anti-discrimination provisions so that they could refuse their services to gay couples.

Another amendment gives the birth parents the right to veto a same-sex adoption.

New South Wales MPs are being allowed a conscience vote.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/02/3000512.htm?section=justin

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #171 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 12:01pm Like I said - think of the child. It is tantamount to cruelty placing them with a gay couple. A child needs a stable family unit. A mother and a father in a married family home. Traditional, christian, family values - what Australia is all about.
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nichy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1812 Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #172 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 12:29pm I suppose I am one of the religious, self-righteous whingers Equitus speaks so disparagingly about. I'd prefer to see a child brought up in a stable, loving relationship, of whatever persuasion, than left to fend for themselves with abusive and uncaring parents (or parent).
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nichy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1812 Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #173 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 12:31pm I forgot to add, providing the amendments below are legislated for : allowing faith-based agencies to be exempt from the anti-discrimination provisions so that they could refuse their services to gay couples. Another amendment gives the birth parents the right to veto a same-sex adoption.
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Reply #174 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 12:35pm

NSW Opposition Leader Barry O'Farrell has spoken in support of a bill to allow same-sex couples to adopt children, saying the current system is discriminatory.
Mr O'Farrell had until now not indicated whether he would back the bill, saying he did not want to sway Coalition MPs who have been allowed a conscience vote on the issue.

Speaking during a debate in parliament this morning, the Opposition leader said he supported the bill, introduced by independent MP Clover Moore.

However, he added the issue was not a matter of gay rights but of removing discrimination in the adoption act in the best interests of children.

"I support this measure today ... for the sake of children but also because I don't believe our society should exclude because of gender, sexuality, faith, background or some other factor, people who have a contribution they can make," he said.

"The question for those of us concerned about the interests of the child in this debate is why should certain couples, because of sexual preference, not be eligible to be assessed according to laws and regulations that by any measure place child wellbeing at the centre of decision-making."

A vote on the bill will be held in the lower house later on Thursday

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/oppostion-leader-barry-ofarrell-backs-same...

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Reply #176 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:13pm

A bill which would allow same-sex couples to adopt in New South Wales has been passed in the state parliament's Lower House.

The bill passed with 46 votes in favour and 44 against.

MPs were allowed a conscience vote on the legislation.

Many speaking this morning were in favour of proposed amendments which modify the anti-discrimination provisions so that faith-based agencies can refuse services to gay couples and the preferences of birth parents can be met.

Kristina Keneally and Barry O'Farrell both suported the bill, but Nationals leader Andrew Stoner said he did not.

The bill now goes to the Upper House.

More to come.

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Reply #177 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:27pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 12:01pm:

Like I said - think of the child.

It is tantamount to cruelty placing them with a gay couple.

A child needs a stable family unit. A mother and a father in a married family home.

Traditional, christian, family values - what Australia is all about.

Half of all marriages end in divorce... it could even be more than half now. That's not so stable now is it?

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Reply #178 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:33pm

Sappho wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 1:27pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 12:01pm:

Like I said - think of the child.

It is tantamount to cruelty placing them with a gay couple.

A child needs a stable family unit. A mother and a father in a married family home.

Traditional, christian, family values - what Australia is all about.

Half of all marriages end in divorce... it could even be more than half now. That's not so stable now is it?

Do we have figures on how many of these divorces occur after junior has moved out of home, thus making it a non-issue?

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Reply #179 - Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 2:02pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2010 at 12:01pm:

Like I said - think of the child.

It is tantamount to cruelty placing them with a gay couple.

A child needs a stable family unit. A mother and a father in a married family home.

Traditional, christian, family values - what Australia is all about.

So all the children of people like soldiers, sailors, merchant seamen, drovers, miners and long haul truck drivers are living in UNstable family units, and should be removed?????

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