Australian Politics Forum - Same-sex adoption

Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120807 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #150 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:02pm What would kids if they saw their "two" Fathers in bed butt slamming each other? It's terrible. It shouldn't be allowed.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #151 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:03pm I agree with Bobby - though he does have a tad crass way of painting the picture.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120807 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #152 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:04pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:03pm: I agree with Bobby - though he does have a tad crass way of painting the picture. Sorry Andrei - how else could I have said it?
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Reply #153 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:06pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:01pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:59pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:56pm:

Put it this way. If I were to shack up with a man I didn't love, and had a baby with him - is that good for the child?
Or is it better that I have a child while single?

I know which I would prefer!

If you want my personal opinion, I don't like either option.

I would rather a child grows up in a stable home of a married couple.

I don't like the fad of single parents and I positively detest two people of the same sex having a child.

My view is about what is best for the child, not the parent(s).

I can understand the wanting what is best for the child - but as same sex couples had not even had the chance to prove themselves as parents, is it fair to assume they would be bad parents?

Where is the harm in letting them try and see what happens? You might be surprised.

Because there are a number of issues -

Gay people in an open family relationship is a very new concept, it has not been tried or tested for any length of time for stability.

The child will be subject to terrifying bullying.
I grew up at a school where a kid was bashed in the middle of the night because it was suspected he was gay, can you imagine what happens if they have gay parents???

I don't like gay people. I find them immoral and perverse. Sorry but to have these people instilling their values in a child. It just makes me feel quite ill.

I know my views are not politically correct and they are to the Right in nature but I am honest enough to admit it.

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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #154 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:10pm Quote: What would kids if they saw their "two" Fathers in bed butt slamming each other? It's terrible. It shouldn't be allowed. Or if they saw dad "butt slamming" mum while Uncle Fred feeds her his sausage?
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Re: Same-sex adoption
Reply #155 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:02pm:

What would kids if they saw their "two" Fathers in bed butt slamming each other?
It's terrible.
It shouldn't be allowed.

And furthermore, would you run the risk of your own kids attending a sleep-over at a house where this very picture could be brought to life?

Ok, if that's what you're into, I guess....Irrrrk! Tongue

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120807 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #156 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:14pm Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:10pm: Quote: What would kids if they saw their "two" Fathers in bed butt slamming each other? It's terrible. It shouldn't be allowed. Or if they saw dad "butt slamming" mum while Uncle Fred feeds her his sausage? Life - you're getting a bit over excited there.
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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #157 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:19pm Quote: Life - you're getting a bit over excited there. But I hadn't even got to the bit about the two naked midgets, a doberman called Max and the bucket of rancid butter sitting by the bed.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120807 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #158 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:24pm Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:19pm: Quote: Life - you're getting a bit over excited there. But I hadn't even got to the bit about the two naked midgets, a doberman called Max and the bucket of rancid butter sitting by the bed.
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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #159 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:28pm Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 8:19pm: Quote: Life - you're getting a bit over excited there. But I hadn't even got to the bit about the two naked midgets, a doberman called Max and the bucket of rancid butter sitting by the bed. Do not tempt the GALP!!
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #160 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 9:25pm aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm: A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance. Why??
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Reply #161 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 9:29pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 9:25pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm:

A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance.

Why??

Because naturally, a child should ideally have both a maternal and paternal parent figure in their lives, this and there's always going to be the 'stigma' and apparent fact that no less than 93% of the country disprove of their familial arrangement, however PC they may try to portray themselves to be.

It's about what's best for the child, they must come first.

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Reply #162 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 9:41pm

mellie wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 9:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 9:25pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:35pm:

A child should have both male and female, in house positive influence in their daily lives. There are many cases in heterosexual relationships, but it should never be planed to deprive children of balance.

Why??

Because naturally, a child should ideally have both a maternal and paternal parent figure in their lives, this and there's always going to be the apparent fact that no less than 93% of the country don't approve of their family arrangement, however PC they may try to portray themselves to be.

And 5000 yrs ago (and in various developing countries of today) every man in a tribe/household is a paternal figure, and every woman is a maternal figure....

So in an 'extended' family situation, uncles and grandfathers work just as well as paternal figures, and aunts and grandmothers work as maternal figures....

So a woman/woman parent situation where there is a male housemate or regular male visitor is just the same as a male/female relationship....(and a female housemate/visitor for a male/male parent arrangement)....

Ask any Psychologist, the male( or female) role model doesn't actually need to be a 'parent'.....just someone the child sees regularly

There are thousands of normal children and adults in Australia today, who only saw one of their parents on weekends...and those children/adults have no advervse mental problems as a result of that...

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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Same-sex adoption Reply #163 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 9:51pm It comes down to our 'current' societies tolerance and acceptance of these unconventional family's social function and status, ultimately it's the kid who stands to suffer most, long after their two mums, or two dads have come to terms with their own sexuality.
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Reply #164 - Sep 1^st, 2010 at 9:56pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:59pm:

Vanessa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2010 at 7:56pm:

Put it this way. If I were to shack up with a man I didn't love, and had a baby with him - is that good for the child?
Or is it better that I have a child while single?

I know which I would prefer!

If you want my personal opinion, .................

I think I could say with confidence, unless the subject is the latest tax scam, most people don't

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